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NYCitygurl
Title: SFFBC and C&G Manager
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Jul '02
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Date Posted:
5/9 9:51am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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Damn, people are catching onto my plot 
When this discussion first started in the MS, I brought up the SFF point and said that we don't get a lot of activity, and it might bring more. It wasn't a main reason, but my personal hope is that activity does pick up a little.
I get the comfort-level thing. I stayed only in FF too, until the SFF boards were created. So the part of me that was there understands. The part of me that knows that the current fanfic can't contain all of this, though, is asking you guys to expand a little.
FFR can't support even one discussion for every fandom; it would be overrun. Plus, the people modding it have to have at least a general interest, and the current fanfic mods don't all have that knowledge/interest.
At the moment, we don't know where we're going to place this. It could be in fanfic, but it could very well get its own category (especially if it has more than one board). I don't know where it will go or how many boards it will have at the moment. However, it will be pretty seperate from SWFF. Same rules, same way of running things, but different mods and different fandoms.
If there isn't a Resource, DJK, Conor, Zaz, Rogue, Raven and I will be discussing how much fanfic-like discussion that SFF and Amph get and how much it should stay the way it is. However, there are fanfic users in SFF and Amph (not a lot, but they exist).
EDIT: Leona, it seems like that would be a SFF/non-SFF split.
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The Musical Jedi
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Date Posted:
5/9 10:25am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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NYCitygurl posted:
Actually, each fandom will get less than one discussion thread in here; they'll get none. Mi meant writing tips and stuff - action discussion, how do you write mush, etc. Things that all writers do. ALL fandom, character, and 'ship discussion will go in SFFBC, SFFFT, or Amph. We're not going to overrun FFR at all.
I would like to preface this with I only skimmed the other posts after this one, so if someone said the same thing, I apologize. I have to finish mowing before it rains, and I would rather not lose this thought.
In my opinion, this sounds like it's rather complicated. I would have a hard time figuring out where I would need to post my discussion on [enter fandom here] or a character relating to it. I understand that the hope (though not the main goal) is to increase some of the traffic on the other boards like SFF, but as Leona also said, I think the discussion had by fanfic writers and those by avid fans of the franchise are going to be different. There might be conflicts over the kinds of discussions being had in the threads - especially if some of those in SFF and Amph are already established and have regular users.
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Persephone_Kore
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Date Posted:
5/9 10:36am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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I understand that people who support a different solution are obviously not going to think my proposal is optimal. But honestly, as long as it is an intermediate position between others proposed, I don't think you get to just declare it "not a compromise." 
Regarding the comfort/isolation issue, I may be a poor example since I barely talk here most of the time and haven't posted a story recently, but I am one of the people who joined these forums strictly because I was interested in Star Wars fanfic. I've written in multiple other fandoms, with and without joining dedicated discussion sites -- sometimes joining multiple ones. I tend to be haphazard at best about participating in the discussions elsewhere too, actually, but it's not a case of feeling that TFN's JC Fanfic areas are the only place I can feel comfortable. (They're not necessarily on the list a lot of the time, actually.) I just haven't developed a lot of interest in other areas of the JC -- if there's a story I'm interested in, I'm likely to be interested in discussions of it for a while, but I tend to drift away eventually. And perhaps part of it is that if I want to talk about something besides Star Wars, I usually do it... somewhere else. *g*
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JediNemesis
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Date Posted:
5/9 4:06pm
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NYCitygurl posted:
EDIT: Leona, it seems like that would be a SFF/non-SFF split.
Can we refer to the Science Fiction & Fantasy fan fiction board as SFFFF?
On the subject of where to direct discussion, just as long as it is being debated by the mods likely to be overseeing the creating of the new boards, that's cool. I think I - for one - assumed this idea was further along in the development stage than it actually is. My mistake. 
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NYCitygurl
Title: SFFBC and C&G Manager
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5/9 5:11pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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I wish, but no, it's still under discussion. That's why we put the threads up out here early, was so that we could find out what you guys want before we make final decisions
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RX_Sith
Title: Monopoly host
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Date Posted:
5/9 8:40pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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I think that you have to do this in the easiest way possible. Therefore, it should have its' own board. Just call it something simple like Non Star Wars Fan Fiction or Other Fan Fiction with the subtext explaining that it is for stories not within the Star Wars universe.
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LadyLunas
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Date Posted:
5/10 2:23pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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It looks as if I might be in the minority on this, but I'm rather uncertain about a NSWFF board. It's a great idea in concept and discussion, I'm just not sure it would work in reality.
Due to DRL, I often lurk in the fandoms I belong to, rather than participating actively. And because of this, I've been able to observe fandom. And it's not a pretty thing. No matter what our good intentions would be at the beginning, I think this has a large chance of heading downhill.
Because of its nature fandom, especially the large ones like Harry Potter, are inherently a place for debate, discussion, and flaming. There are strict rules about this stuff on the JC (which I like), but as this site will become known around the Internet for having a multi-fandom forum, even if the majority of the site is still Star Wars, that I fear the rules will be ignored. Fans can be irrational at times, and there are people out there that will contest the no-slash and the ratings rules of the guidelines, precisely because they are so stringent. And because of this irrationality (especially when it comes to ships), that the rules would be ignored in the race to get the "correct" point of view out there. As much as I like to think otherwise, the mods can't be everywhere at all times.
My other major concern for the NSWFF board is the ratings. My other major fandom is Pirates of the Caribbean, which has a PG-13 rating. Most of the stories I read tend to be just that, just because of the nature of the genre: fighting, bloodshed, etc. So what would happen to the fandoms where the rating tends to be higher, just because of the nature of the source material? Fans would either have to work within the guidelines, or go elsewhere. And depending on the story, they just might go elsewhere and not post anything here, which would kind of defeat the purpose of the entire NSWFF board.
I like the idea, don't get me wrong. But I have my concerns about it.
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Alexis_Wingstar
Title: PT Rewrite Contest Winner
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Date Posted:
5/10 2:31pm
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Much of the SW EU would be considered PG-13 and even some possibly approaching R, but still the fics based on those more mature themes are managed quite well in the PG rating. You can allude to adult themes without being graphic. You can write violence and make it quite exciting without making it gory.
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Pallas-Athena
Title: TFN Fan Fiction Archive Editor
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Date Posted:
5/10 3:22pm
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RotS is PG-13 and arguably as violent as PotC.
I think a lot of flame wars and baiting, etc can be attributed to bad modding. Not to be ruthless and bring up our own history, but many such fights broke out on this board readily a few years back when we were undergoing a period of bad leadership. But now it's known that breaking the rules will not be tolerated and the mods will act quickly to resolve any issues. Can't obey the rules? You get banned.
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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Date Posted:
5/10 5:53pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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Pallas-Athena posted:
RotS is PG-13 and arguably as violent as PotC.
I think a lot of flame wars and baiting, etc can be attributed to bad modding. Not to be ruthless and bring up our own history, but many such fights broke out on this board readily a few years back when we were undergoing a period of bad leadership.
To be fair, fan fiction was going through a period of growing pains, and with a group of people so passionate and creative, you're bound to get some very 'creative' difference of opinions. Fan fiction has also been so insular for so many years, I think that opening up fan fic to 'other fics' is going to be like opening the floodgates to a variety of new and very different breed of cat.*
I do worry that 'we' are biting off more than we can collectively chew (talks of effectively doubling our number of boards right off the bat seem a bit worrying) but it should be interesting to see how it all plays out.
*I have often thought that modding fan fiction is like herding cats...
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Alexis_Wingstar
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5/10 6:02pm
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I think that opening up fan fic to 'other fics' is going to be like opening the floodgates to a variety of new and very different breed of cat.*
Yeah, SW fanficcers are like tabbys... others are a bit more wild. 
Seriously though, I get what you're saying. The trick to herding cats is to make them think they are herding you, btw. I imagine there will be some upheaval with more people coming in, but I think with the mods we have, it should be kept to a minimum.
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5/10 6:51pm
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Alexis_Wingstar posted:
I imagine there will be some upheaval with more people coming in, but I think with the mods we have, it should be kept to a minimum.
That's it Alexis, suck up to the mods.
I think this is a fantastic idea a long time in coming. I just wish it would get out of the 'discsussion' phase and get to the 'action' phase of implementing it!
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Alexis_Wingstar
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Date Posted:
5/10 7:00pm
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BrentusofGath posted:
Alexis_Wingstar posted:
I imagine there will be some upheaval with more people coming in, but I think with the mods we have, it should be kept to a minimum.
That's it Alexis, suck up to the mods.
Darn! You noticed! I had hoped that since it was snuck in there with the snarky comment about cats it would be more... subtle.
BrentusofGath posted:
I think this is a fantastic idea a long time in coming. I just wish it would get out of the 'discsussion' phase and get to the 'action' phase of implementing it!
Are you nudging for a vote of no confidence? 
I, too, look forward to seeing this implementation.
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JediNemesis
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Just been thinking about the whole Resource question some more - how would something like this sound for a workable compromise?
Have a small, admin-based NSWFF Resource, the contents of which would be indices, forum-specific challenge threads, FAQ, Rules, Announcements and maybe a social thread. That would come in at well under 100 threads, I would guess, and probably no more than half a dozen would be active at a time.
Redirect in-depth (as opposed to passing comments in the social thread, sort of thing) character and fandom discussion to the SFF forums or to Amph. Keep NSWFFR small and mostly for the paperwork; enforce this by putting in a Census-type block so only mods can create new threads. That also forces anyone wishing to create an index, etc. to go through the mods - who can then evaluate whether the fandom in question has enough support to warrant a thread of its own. Same with challenges. It's mod-approved, or it doesn't happen.
Also, with absolutely all due respect (and a lot of respect is due) to our current mod team, I'd imagine that three (if you include a small Resource) new boards with stories from all over the place would require mods of their own. At a guess, definitely two, and possibly three.
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Alley_Skywalker
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Date Posted:
5/11 12:55pm
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Juliet316 posted:
Just remember to check at FF.net for a list of authors/others that could sue us if they found their fanfic on this site.
I would other than that the same guidelines (No graphic violence/sexual acts, no homosexuality, no ISSR unless canon) would apply?
I agree that this is long overdue.
Well why would the "no slash" rule apply for a forum for other fandoms? I mean... we're aloud slash even here if it’s with OCs. i though the only reason we can't have slash with canon characters here is b/c GL takes issue with his characters being gay or something like that. So what do other fandoms have to do with it? And what about fandoms where m/m relationships are canon?
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