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Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal - FORUM OPEN!!
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Persephone_Kore
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Date Posted:
5/12 11:34pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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mavjade posted:
I could be wrong, it might not bring that many more people than would come here anyway and it would be a place for us to post other fandom fanfics, but I doubt it.
This is by far the most likely outcome, actually.
I favor the idea of a non-Star Wars fanfic area here, but I don't expect a major influx of new people, whether to revitalize the site or destroy our identity.
Very few people, if any, are going to sign up at the JC just because we add a multifandom section, no matter how much word gets around. There are a lot of other sites out there if people are looking for either a specific other fandom, or a site organized for multifandom use. The off-topic section of a site dedicated to something else entirely will usually be fairly low on the list unless they already have connections there.
If HarryPotterFanFiction.com unveiled a new multifandom section, how many people from here would rush over to post Star Wars fic in it? They do allow same-sex relationships and slightly higher ratings than the JC, but they forbid references to slavery. How about the Neopian Times Writers Forum? It's comparatively obscure, but it's already got a multifandom area, and there are enough Star Wars fans there that the moderation structure includes such positions as "Global Jedi Mini-Mod."
The NSWFF probably would draw some more activity, don't get me wrong. As others have pointed out, it would probably be a bonus in some potential new members' considerations. It would probably keep some people around, too, as they drifted away from Star Wars fic and started dabbling elsewhere. The largest group of people who aren't from the existing Fanfic boards here, I suspect, would be people from elsewhere in the JC forums for whom Star Wars is one of their discussion fandoms but not one of their fic fandoms.
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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5/13 9:18am
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Just a thought on those who are saying things like "Keep SSR out of our boards" and referring to SSRS with the tone of finding dog "mess" on your shoes.
For a start, to some people, am SSR whether it be between OCs or canon characters are just as valid as "Jaina/Jag" or "Luke/Calista" which can cause just as much derision and anger as any other non traditional pairing. The simple solution is not to read it.
We don't allow explicit anything on the boards, but like it or no, SSR are a part of the universe (and I don't doubt that in a Galaxy as vast as the Star Wars one it's more common than we think) and shutting off that possibility is one of the most stifling thing out there.
While I'm not a fan of pairings that feature things like Luke/Han* and respect the fact that such stories aren't allowed here, I don't think a blanket ban on any SSRs is at all valid (and I for one am extremely greatful that there are allowances here in fan fiction, all be it in the restrictive context that it is) just because some people find the idea not to their taste.
*And using the excuse that "Because George said so" is no longer a valid reason - George has also said (quite recently) that "Han and Leia lived happily ever after" and "Luke never married" - in one breath he 'Poofed' almost 99% of the EU - may as well close down the whole BtS boards. Thankfully, as fan fiction writers we're all allowed to chase our own visions of the GFFA...
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Alley_Skywalker
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Date Posted:
5/13 11:58am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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DarthBreezy posted:
For a start, to some people, am SSR whether it be between OCs or canon characters are just as valid as "Jaina/Jag" or "Luke/Calista" which can cause just as much derision and anger as any other non traditional pairing. The simple solution is not to read it.
I agree 
I think, and this is just speculation of course, one of the problems is that ppl see slash/SSR as its own group, almost as a separate fandom. I think this happens partial b/c ppl who don’t read SSR don’t read any SSR parings therefore its easier for them to describe the paring the don’t read in a certain fandom with on word – slash – rather than listing all of the possibilities. I think another reason is that slash have a tendency to stick together, a lot less than ‘shippers of a het paring do. (I’d explain but having a hard time at the moments putting the phenomenon into words). So of course stereotypes form, like the do about just about all fandom groups. Stereotypes such as: “Slash is all explicit” or “Slash is so OOC b/c ppl are changing the characters so much” or “All SSR writers do is write perverted PWPs.” Of course all of these are true but only to a small extent. There are plenty OOC het fics out there and I’ve seen my fare share of A/P PWPs. I agree with DarthBreezy that a blanket ban is just…discriminatory. SSRs aren’t that much different than any other non-canon parings.
Alright, just my two cense (^) that’s all.
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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Date Posted:
5/13 12:17pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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DarthBreezy
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Building a bit on this - I think it's time to start an index of fics that do feature SSR's (as they are accepted on the boards) - people may be surprised at not only the amount of stories that abound, but the authors who write them.
I need to run some errands briefly today, but if anyone is interested in co-hosting this index, please PM me.
It's not going to be a slapped together affair, nor will it a place for people to either demand an expansion of the limituses in place (such as pushing for Han/Luke Obi/Qui) nor will it be a rallying point for other controversial pairings such as Mara/Anakin Solo, but simply a place where people can find thoughtful and well written fics that fall under the allowances, and challenges for writers who want to expand their horizons.
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mavjade
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Date Posted:
5/13 12:25pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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DarthBreezy posted:
Just a thought on those who are saying things like "Keep SSR out of our boards" and referring to SSRS with the tone of finding dog "mess" on your shoes.
For a start, to some people, am SSR whether it be between OCs or canon characters are just as valid as "Jaina/Jag" or "Luke/Calista" which can cause just as much derision and anger as any other non traditional pairing. The simple solution is not to read it.
I totally and whole heartedly agree!!
Just like you skip pairing, characters, timelines and/or situations you don't like you can skip a story that has a SSR in it. It really isn't that hard. I understand there are people don't like it, that a lot of people that don't like it, but there are a lot of people who do.
Alley_Skywalker posted:
I agree with DarthBreezy that a blanket ban is just…discriminatory. SSRs aren’t that much different than any other non-canon parings.
I agree as well that it is discriminatory, and SSR's are no different than other non-canon (or in some cases cannon) pairings.
Honestly this is such a hard topic... it is a matter very close to the heart for many people and there is no way you are going to please everyone.
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LadyLunas
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Date Posted:
5/13 1:08pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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Alley_Skywalker posted:
DarthBreezy posted:
For a start, to some people, am SSR whether it be between OCs or canon characters are just as valid as "Jaina/Jag" or "Luke/Calista" which can cause just as much derision and anger as any other non traditional pairing. The simple solution is not to read it.
I think, and this is just speculation of course, one of the problems is that ppl see slash/SSR as its own group, almost as a separate fandom.
As a clarification to my statements earlier- I like the Boards here because they are non-slash. Slash, in my opinion, takes two same sex characters that are not canonically together and puts them into a relationship. There's a lot of well-written slash out there, and a lot of badly written het. But for those of us that would rather have canon pairings (or AU pairings that aren't slash), it's nice to find a place where we don't stumble across Obi-Wan/Anakin or Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan every ten seconds. It's not just a choice of not reading it- it's a choice to not visit the sites that do have it. And it's one I'm glad to have.
As for SSR in canon, I have absolutely no problems with. They are real, actual relationships, both in-universe and in real life. So why not have the ability to write SSR canon (or OC) relationships under the guidelines already posted? I don't have a problem with that.
Ergh. That might not be real clear. I'm one of those people who differentiate between slash and canon SSR. I'd like the ability to have one, but not the other.
As for trying to please everyone, we really can't. But one possible way to try and appease it is to allow canon and OC SSR. It'll let the slashers have a little bit of breathing room, as well as accommodating the non-slash readers and writers.
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Space_Wolf
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Date Posted:
5/13 1:45pm
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I don't mind SSR if it's in canon, for example Willow/Tara...(this is about non-Star Wars fan fic, remember?
But as for SSR between canon characters in Star Wars, it just doesn't exist, (at the moment, anyway). I for one, have always been against SSR between canon characters in Star Wars fan fic simply because we don't get it in either in the films or the EU material, and as long as that's the case with EU, then I'll always be opposed to it. As for original characters, that's up to the author to decide. I know some people will use the arguement that in a universe as big as Star Wars, that we're bound to get SSR cropping up, yes it would, just like ISRR crop up, but is it right to change a canon character like that? I don't think so. For those folks that do want to write SSR, that's why we have original characters. (Not that I'd write it myself, though.)
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Alley_Skywalker
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5/13 2:11pm
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Space_Wolf posted:
but is it right to change a canon character like that?
Well, just a a comment, you have ppl changing canon characters in other ways as well. And I’m not just talking about OOC but even radical AUs. AUs where Obi-Wan goes to the dark side or AUs where Anakin doesn’t fall in love with Padme, or AUs where Leia and Luke aren’t related (I’ve seen one like that somewhere). I mean, we don’t put limitation on he extent of AU do we? Even though so many of them change canon characters.
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5/15 1:41pm
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Same sex relationships aren't allowed.
That is an order from the site owner. The fanfic mods allow OC characters to have hints of being gay, but the Mod Squad asked Wise if he would allow SSR last year when canon got a gay couple, and he said no. We can't change that, so same-sex canon relationships will not be allowed in NSWFF.
re: Nem: Yeah, the new board would be seperate from SWFF with completely different mods  That's a good Resource idea
We're still discussing Resource, possible splits, and rules in the MS (and with so many people, it could take a while  ) but we're trying to hurry this up
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Alley_Skywalker
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5/15 2:53pm
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So, just to clarify, the NSWFF will not include fandoms where the characters are homosexual (such as Brokeback, Queer As Folk, etc)?
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DarthBreezy
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Note that there IS a place for what is allowed on our boards. It's not earth shattering, but it's what we have and I would hope those pressing for SSR's will embrace it. The best way to instigate change is to show that we can work with what's been given without hammering the site owners to go so radically beyond what they've given so far. If people keep pushing and shoving, they will push back hard, and undo the massive amounts of progress we've made over the years already...
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Correct. Homosexual characters are allowed (Dumbledore, Willow, etc.) but they can't be in a relationship that's more than slightly hinted at (though Willow can be with Xander or Oz).
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Alley_Skywalker
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DarthBreezy, I'm personally not pushing anything. I was just expressing an opinion and asking for clarifications.
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By the way, if those of you who haven't would like to give your information in the Comms thread, that would be great
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lazykbys_left
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Date Posted:
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal [MS update: NSWFF]
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In the latest Mod Squad Update, PulsarSkate posted:
On the issue of the NonStarWars Fan Fic Forum, MS got out a new poll, conducted it throughly, polling everyone, and voted 'yes yes YES' to it! Now, we're currently talking about building its structure. Upwards and onwards, I always say. Good news, yes?
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