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Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal - FORUM OPEN!!
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karebear214
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5/6 7:32pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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I definitely think it's a good idea.
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ardavenport
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5/6 8:46pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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I was just wondering....what if someone does a Star Wars/Other fandom crossover? Will they be required to put it on one of the SW fanfic boards? Would the NSWFF board not allow any SW? That kind of makes sense to me. I don't think anyone would be allowed to post the same story on both, so I suppose they would have to choose.
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Lucozade_Skywalker
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Date Posted:
5/7 5:22am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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ardavenport posted:
I was just wondering....what if someone does a Star Wars/Other fandom crossover? Will they be required to put it on one of the SW fanfic boards? Would the NSWFF board not allow any SW? That kind of makes sense to me. I don't think anyone would be allowed to post the same story on both, so I suppose they would have to choose.
I agree. I think the most logical approach would be to require all fic involving SW to be on the era boards. That said, if the bulk of the story was about the NSW fandom, you could probably make a case for putting it on NSWFF . . . that wouldn't be too hard to police, I don't think.
But yes, definitely no duplication, I would have thought.
My imagination's gone a bit wild about this, incidentally.  I'm already envisioning a sprawling NSWFFR forum with discussion threads for the major fandoms, challenge threads, a Prolific NSW Fan Fiction Writer's Index, a social thread, and the strangest FAQ ever owing to the need to list appropriate alternative swearwords for all fandoms that allow them 
edit: oops. This is JediNemesis. I'm currently serving a game ban.
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lazykbys_left
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5/7 8:22am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal [tech assumptions / few new users]
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At the moment I'm assuming the NSWFF forum will have the following things:
1. unlimited editing time
2. no automatic pruning
3. a completed stories index
4. new stories indexes
5. header links to the SWFF forums
6. Yarael Poof wondering where he is 
I'm also hoping that a NSWFF Resource forum won't be made. There's no need to quaran - er, distance NSWFF any more than absolutely necessary, IMO. There are plenty of threads about writing/reading here in Resource that can easily be applied to non-SW stuff. Besides, do you really want to pass up the chance to create new SW fans?
That said, I doubt the NSWFF will draw in that many new users. Frankly, I don't think people outside the JC forums will even know of NSWFF's existence until they stumble upon it in a google search or something. Even then, chances are they'll think it's just a crossover.
As others have already said, it's the users that define a forum's identity. So unless we're overrun by a horde of non-SW fans, I don't think there will be a radical change to the community.
On original fiction: I if posted an OF and claimed it was for a fandom that is practically unknown outside Japan, I suspect I could get away with it for a long, long time . . . 
- lazy
PS - somebody please edit the first post of this thread so the apostrophe is shown properly.
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Lucozade_Skywalker
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5/7 9:27am
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lazykbys_left posted:
I'm also hoping that a NSWFF Resource forum won't be made. There's no need to quaran - er, distance NSWFF any more than absolutely necessary, IMO. There are plenty of threads about writing/reading here in Resource that can easily be applied to non-SW stuff. Besides, do you really want to pass up the chance to create new SW fans?
Good point. Very good point.
The only thing is that I can see there being a need for a number of NSW-specific resource threads - fandom-specific indexes being the one springing mainly to mind. That, and overloading the forum. But Resource doesn't turn over all that quickly, so we'd probably be okay.
On consideration, I agree that NSWFF Resource probably isn't necessary. But it would be kind of cool
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The_Face
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Date Posted:
5/7 9:45am
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I'd argue that we not have a Non-Star Wars Fan Fic Resource. Writers who want to discuss their characters and fandoms could go to the appropriate Sci-Fi Fantasy or Amphitheatre thread that is already covering them. Granted, you wouldn't get the indeces that FFR threads have, but if we institute a mandatory [FANDOM NAME HERE] in the subject line (i.e. "[MONK] Mr. Monk and the Rocket Scientist"), searching really isn't gonna be too hard.
And if you don't want to talk specifically about grave issues like Sharona vs. Natalie*, but rather dialogue tips, you can come here to the existing Fan Fiction Resource.
The above plan means one less board to moderate for whoever would end up taking NSWFF on, and it also encourages traffic to existing boards, which is something I like to see.
*Sharona every time.
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The Musical Jedi
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Date Posted:
5/7 9:54am
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I guess in my mind, not having a resource for the NSWFF would discourage any sense of community. Putting aside the question of how much community one might have between, say, Buffy and Monk writers, if you keep shipping them off to other forums, the NSWFF might begin to feel isolated. Also, if we're drawing in new writers who may not have any interest in SW fanfic, they may be more reluctant to come into this Resource.
Just my two cents on the subject.
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Persephone_Kore
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Date Posted:
5/7 9:54am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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5/7 9:59am (1 edits total)
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I'm inclined to agree with Lazy. There have been some mentions of this idea either increasing the population of the site (presented as a positive) or changing the site dramatically (presented as a negative). I honestly don't think either is very likely; it will be a benefit to people who (1) are looking for a Star Wars site and (2) are also interested in fanfic for other source materials. For them, it might be an incentive to settle on this site or to continue participating more as they develop other interests, so I suppose there might be some increase in activity based on that; for anybody else, it's going to be neutral and in fact probably a nonentity for most.
I figure if somebody goes to the trouble of pretending their original fiction is fic for a very obscure fandom, it's pretty much on their own heads whether they have copyright issues with it later. (Note: Opinions vary on this. Some people worry about the risk of it getting stolen or of giving up the first publication rights. Others jeer at the idea that putting something up yourself, online, for free could be considered "publishing" in any meaningful way and say that no agent or editor is really going to care and if it encourages you or entertains your friends, do what floats your boat. I figure the safest assumption is that it doesn't count as publishing if being published would help you, and does count if it would hurt you.) Also whether they eventually get caught out on the rulebreaking, of course.
Of course, at that point you also have to be prepared for the complication that fanfic is interactive and that other people's fics are not only an influence, but in cases of fandoms where the source material is obscure or hard to get hold of, good ones may actually be a reference. There are stories where I've gotten a general idea of what's going on from other people's stories and discussion posts, and could probably write a middling minific without ever seeing the canon. I have this absurd scenario spinning out where people use such a pseudo-fanfic to try to figure out what's going on in the nonexistent source, and then play off that. 
Okay, enough speculation. I had something else relevant to say... oh, right. I'm inclined to agree with omitting a non-SW Fanfic Resource. Things that aren't fandom-specific can be addressed in the Resource general writing threads. If this is (as I think it should be, and frankly, probably will be even if we try to make it otherwise) a supplementary amenity for Star Wars fans rather than an attempt at a major multifandom site, then having a bunch of fandom-specific threads (or, heaven help us, character threads) in the style of the Star Wars ones in Resource is unnecessary and possibly a bit of a headache. If anything, maybe a single general non-SW-fic discussion thread in the existing Fanfic Resource, for anything that doesn't seem to fit elsewhere? You could have a rotating "focus fandom" or something out of the ones that have popped up so far, and other conversation in it could vary.
Edit, since other stuff popped up while I was typing:
I agree that maintaining a list of standard fandom abbreviations and tagging all fics in the subject line in the NSWFF would probably be adequate for basic indexing purposes. If we really wanted to have other indices, maybe there could be an index thread in the form of the challenge index, where somebody who wanted to keep an index for, say, a particular genre or character could have a single post there -- maybe more eventually if it ran out of space.
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Lucozade_Skywalker
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5/7 10:03am
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Persephone_Kore posted:
If anything, maybe a single general non-SW-fic discussion thread in the existing Fanfic Resource, for anything that doesn't seem to fit elsewhere? You could have a rotating "focus fandom" or something out of the ones that have popped up so far, and other conversation in it could vary.
Good idea. Maybe we could time the choices of 'focus fandom' to fit with releases of new books/movies/TV series? Also, I'd imagine that certain fandoms would get discussed more often than others, depending on size and popularity.
Persephone_Kore posted:
If we really wanted to have other indices, maybe there could be an index thread in the form of the challenge index, where somebody who wanted to keep an index for, say, a particular genre or character could have a single post there -- maybe more eventually if it ran out of space.
That's also a good idea. I volunteer for the Doctor Who index
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NYCitygurl
Title: Manager of SFFBC, C&G, and NSWFF
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Date Posted:
5/7 10:44am
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lazykbys_left posted:
At the moment I'm assuming the NSWFF forum will have the following things:
1. unlimited editing time
2. no automatic pruning
3. a completed stories index
4. new stories indexes
5. header links to the SWFF forums
6. Yarael Poof wondering where he is
I'm also hoping that a NSWFF Resource forum won't be made. There's no need to quaran - er, distance NSWFF any more than absolutely necessary, IMO. There are plenty of threads about writing/reading here in Resource that can easily be applied to non-SW stuff. Besides, do you really want to pass up the chance to create new SW fans?
On original fiction: I if posted an OF and claimed it was for a fandom that is practically unknown outside Japan, I suspect I could get away with it for a long, long time . . .
PS - somebody please edit the first post of this thread so the apostrophe is shown properly.
1, 2, 5, and 6, certainly. We haven't gotten far enough to plan new story indicies or completed ones. The current discussion is about having mandatory title tagging so it'll show up in your search function (since you mentioned expanding it  ).
At the moment, probably no resorce. Like you and others have said, current resource threads can be used for people who want writing tips (there will be a link in the header) and send character/fandom discussion to SFF and Amph.
The OF scenario wouldn't fly. I think we're planning on creating a list of allowed/disallowed to start off with, then expanding as stories come up, but for the sake of sanity/not having lawsuits, if it isn't on the allowed list, it can't be posted. You'd have to get permission for the stories not allowed to be posted, and the mods would do necessary research and give a yay/nay.
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Miana Kenobi
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Date Posted:
5/7 1:29pm
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The only reason I'm still in favor of a resource is not to make it a huge replica of this board, but just a small one for the indexes, challenges, etc etc. Character discussions will go to the SFF boards, but it'd be easier to have just a small area for the non-fic stuff that doesn't apply to SWFF.
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Pallas-Athena
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5/7 1:43pm
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My personal opinion is to not have a new resource. I actually think it would serve to isolate NSW more. A lot of the challenges posted here could be for any fandom - think the recent mother's day one - and I think that there might be some confusion over whether or not you could write a specific challenge that's posted here in NSW, unless the challenge thread were mirrored on the NSW resource board. Then we'd be getting one thread for the price of two.
I think that FFR isn't quite so busy and full that it can't have one thread devoted to each of the major fandoms that pop up - Stargate, Lotr, HP, etc - that could host discussions, challenges, and what have you, and would also be a place where people writing in those fandoms could ask each other questions on canon and the like.
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5/7 1:55pm
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Pallas-Athena posted:
My personal opinion is to not have a new resource. I actually think it would serve to isolate NSW more. A lot of the challenges posted here could be for any fandom - think the recent mother's day one - and I think that there might be some confusion over whether or not you could write a specific challenge that's posted here in NSW, unless the challenge thread were mirrored on the NSW resource board. Then we'd be getting one thread for the price of two.
I think that FFR isn't quite so busy and full that it can't have one thread devoted to each of the major fandoms that pop up - Stargate, Lotr, HP, etc - that could host discussions, challenges, and what have you, and would also be a place where people writing in those fandoms could ask each other questions on canon and the like.
While I am in favor of having a separate Resource, I actually think that this is a nice compromise. Most fandoms just don't have enough canon information about even the main characters to warrant an entire discussion thread devoted to them. If you had a single thread for the fandom, like, say, Lord of the Rings (to pull out an example from you), you could spend a week or two, or even a month, discussing a certain character. Or a certain part of the book.
Lord of the Rings, though, gets a little tricky. You would probably need two separate threads for the fandom, one covering The Hobbit and the Trilogy, and the other covering The Silmarillion, which is about as big as those four books combined, and has many more characters.
Just my two credits, though.
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DarthBreezy
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Pallas-Athena posted:
Just got read what Pallas said.
Yeah. 
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SithGirl132
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5/8 5:08am
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Here's my two cents:
Though I haven't yet written outside of the SW fandom, I'd love to do so if I knew I had a audience like the JC. I think I have an account on fanfiction.net, but I haven't been willing to post since I don't really like the general tone of the site. I appreciate how we have good modding and clear-cut rules, and if we can carry that over into a non-SW forum, that's great.
I know it would probably stretch a lot of writers' mental muscles and introduce some of us into new fandoms. I think it's a great idea if we can keep the same modding quality and the policies are consistent.
Consistency of policies and rating, I think, would be the issue. People have before mentioned the issue of canonical gay couples and fandoms that are hard to keep to a reasonably family-friendly rating. I presume we can find a way around this; perhaps we would need to be more explicit about what is and isn't allowed here.
Also, I think a non-SW forum would probably get some new people in here: people who do have an interest in SW but write more in other fandoms, and those like me who would like a better audience than ff.n for our other fics. As long as we can keep the policies consistent and maintain the level of modding, it should be fine.
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