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Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal - forum to be created!!
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lazykbys_left
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Feb '05
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Date Posted:
5/8 5:40am
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal [allowed fandom list & SWFF / 1 thread per fandom & 'ships]
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5/8 5:57am (1 edits total)
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NYCitygurl: I think we're planning on creating a list of allowed/disallowed to start off with, then expanding as stories come up, but for the sake of sanity/not having lawsuits, if it isn't on the allowed list, it can't be posted.
This rule will apply to fics in SWFF (i.e., crossovers) as well, right?
Also, what determines which fandoms go on the allowed list? An explicit yes/no from the creator is easy enough to understand, but what if they are silent on the topic of fan fiction?
Pallas-Athena: I think that FFR isn't quite so busy and full that it can't have one thread devoted to each of the major fandoms that pop up
Erm . . . if we're only going to have one thread per fandom, we may need a rule prohibiting 'ship discussions.
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Pallas-Athena
Title: TFN Fan Fiction Archive Editor
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Nov '00
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Date Posted:
5/8 12:23pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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Erm . . . if we're only going to have one thread per fandom, we may need a rule prohibiting 'ship discussions.
Although I'm all in support of creating the forum, I do think we need to draw the line somewhere, and things like ship discussions are it, for me at least. A lot of the shipping needs of other fandoms can be met by the SFF. That is not to say we should completely ban shipping in any resource NSW thread - I can see discussion questions like, "what's your favorite ship?" going on in those threads that would generate some good discussion without flooding the WR as a whole with threads most people aren't interested in.
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Miana Kenobi
Title: Pacific Region RSA
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Apr '00
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Date Posted:
5/8 1:10pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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lazykbys_left posted:
Also, what determines which fandoms go on the allowed list? An explicit yes/no from the creator is easy enough to understand, but what if they are silent on the topic of fan fiction?
The unwritten rule pretty much is that unless the author says "no," it's okay. We are already compiling the list of authors who don't allow it and they've been posted here. If any author decides to come out of the woodworks and say "hey, I don't want fan fic written about my stuff," then we would remove any fan fic in that fandom that has been written and add it to the disallowed list. Simple enough. 
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Healer_Leona
Title: Manager Emeritus
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Date Posted:
5/8 1:34pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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PErsonally, I think the NSWFF having it's own Resource board might be a better idea. It may very well be a hot board as new franchise come into play and I'd rather not see FFR overrun with it. There seems to be enough folk who are not interested in NSW fanfic and I can see where it might be frustrating to wade through all the non SW discussion.
Granted, it can start out in the Resource forum and be easily moved.
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Miana posted:
To help increase the flow and communication between the different boards, we're thinking that any character discussion for non-SW characters will belong in one of the two Sci-Fi/Fantasy forums, since that's what they're about and there for. For general writing stuff, we already have resource for that primarily.
Does this mean, a new thread can be made in these forums on the franchise that will be geared more for fanfic writers or do we just wind up taking over existing threads? This isn't meant to sound rude, just writer's have a different eye than others users. I kind see this like expecting writer's to join in the JCC thread on Lost for writing discussion.
As to ship discussion, I'm with Pallas-Athena. This can greatly curtail discussion when characters from long standing series have had more than one ship themself.
While fanficcers are a passionate lot, there is never a reason to be rude and start senseless ship wars.
I'm looking very much forward to this becoming a reality and hoping  it might just wake my own muse who's been comatose for so long.
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Kidan
Title: TFN EU Staff
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Date Posted:
5/8 1:58pm
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Healer_Leona posted:
PErsonally, I think the NSWFF having it's own Resource board might be a better idea. It may very well be a hot board as new franchise come into play and I'd rather not see FFR overrun with it. There seems to be enough folk who are not interested in NSW fanfic and I can see where it might be frustrating to wade through all the non SW discussion.
If we're going to be splitting things along those lines, then we may want to have three forums for resources:
1) Star Wars Characters/Ships/Indexes (SWFF Indexes)
2) NSW Characters/Ships/Indexes (NSWFF Indexes)
3) Challenges & Other things related to writing in GENERAL (FF Resources)
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NYCitygurl
Title: SFFBC and C&G Manager
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Date Posted:
5/8 2:10pm
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Actually, each fandom will get less than one discussion thread in here; they'll get none. Mi meant writing tips and stuff - action discussion, how do you write mush, etc. Things that all writers do. ALL fandom, character, and 'ship discussion will go in SFFBC, SFFFT, or Amph. We're not going to overrun FFR at all.
And to answer a question I think I missed last night, ALL SW stories will stay here, including crossovers.
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Healer_Leona
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Date Posted:
5/8 2:15pm
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Hmmmm, I'd hate to see that happen as much as Resource being overrun with non SW stuff. It's just there's so many franchise to choose from, especially as we're not talking just Scifi/Fantasy, but anything and everything.
I don't see the need for a 3 way split.
I forgot to say I was kinda disappointed there wasn't more interest on the the SFF boards in regards to this, but I suppose those who love writing and reading fanfic are here.
As to possible splot of the NSWFF board in the future, I would suggest not using movies/tv and books/comic because much of scifi/f has both. Thought I'd probably add horror to the SFF bunch.
Perhaps two categories like Imagination and Real Life?
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NYCitygurl
Title: SFFBC and C&G Manager
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Date Posted:
5/8 2:33pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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That's just one of the ideas. Another is SFF/nonSFF. And we might not split it; that's still under MS discussion.
You mean like things that take place on Earth or an alternate universe earth vs a completely different world? That would be hard to moderate, especially since no one is going to be familiar with all the fandoms.
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Healer_Leona
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Date Posted:
5/8 2:49pm
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NO, I mean a split of the fantastical versus RL like Buffy/HP/BSG vs 24/The Office/West Wing.
Actually, each fandom will get less than one discussion thread in here; they'll get none. Mi meant writing tips and stuff - action discussion, how do you write mush, etc. Things that all writers do. ALL fandom, character, and 'ship discussion will go in SFFBC, SFFFT, or Amph. We're not going to overrun FFR at all.
I feel the disinterest in at least the SFFBC and SFFFT show it may be in fanficcers best interest to discuss these characters and such in their own dedicated thread on their own forum.
Since JCC is already allowed to duplicate threads of such things as Lost, Iron Man and whatever else because they don't want to have to discuss the way Amph or the other forums does, wouldn't it be more fair to allow fanficcers this same right?
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JediNemesis
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Date Posted:
5/8 3:02pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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5/8 3:06pm (3 edits total)
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NYCitygurl posted:
Actually, each fandom will get less than one discussion thread in here; they'll get none. [...] ALL fandom, character, and 'ship discussion will go in SFFBC, SFFFT, or Amph. We're not going to overrun FFR at all.
Healer_Leona posted:
Does this mean, a new thread can be made in [SFFBC/Amph] on the franchise that will be geared more for fanfic writers or do we just wind up taking over existing threads? This isn't meant to sound rude, just writer's have a different eye than others users. I kind see this like expecting writer's to join in the JCC thread on Lost for writing discussion.
I'd guess that a lot, possibly a majority, of the people who post in SFFBC and Amph have little to no interest in fanfiction. It'd be unfair on them for the fanfic brigade to move in and take over, especially given the idiosyncratic way fanficcers tend to think and talk about things. I'd assume that this is why there's one set of character threads (say) in Saga and EU, and another here in Resource. (Edit: Leona got there first.)
I appreciate that it'd be good to keep very specific discussion in threads dedicated to the fandom in question (see above) but if NSWFF is to be treated as a subsidiary of Fan Fiction rather than of SFF/Amph, surely it'd be good for it to have at least some recognition in the Resource forum.
I may have got entirely the wrong end of the stick, but creating new fora to serve the NSW needs of the current fanfiction community and then banishing all discussion of said NSW needs from said community doesn't seem ideal.
Fan Fiction probably has a higher proportion of users who never post outside it than any other group of forums (though the MS doubtless know that statistic better than I do). I can certainly envision people being comfortable with posting in NSWFF, another fanfiction board, but less so in venturing out into the wider JCC. SFF is a leisurely forum, but Amph is a lot bigger and a lot quicker, with a community of its own, and YJCC . . . let's not even go there 
. . . anyway. That post was far too long and far too nitpicky. I apologise.
tl,dr version: I think it's all a plot by Nat to get more fanficcers posting in SFFBC
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Persephone_Kore
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Date Posted:
5/8 4:14pm
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RE: Non-Star Wars fan fic forum proposal
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If we go with a speculative fiction vs. ...not speculative fiction split, I suggest not calling it imagination/real-life. It strikes me as likely to throw off people who participate in real-person fic (e.g. actorfic) elsewhere. I did a double take myself, even though I don't.
I agree that a screen vs. paper split would not be ideal. It would reflect the split existing in SFF now, but it would make things difficult for stories that incorporate sources with multiple media. Still, I'm not altogether crazy about sff/other.
One interesting option might be one-shots vs. multi-post stories, but I'm not sure if anybody would go for that. (Also, series would require answering a question -- do one-post stories in a series belong in the oneshot section because they're not a multi-post thread, or do they belong in the other one because they're part of a multi-part story?)
I don't know about a secret plot by Nat  , but I do know that quite a few people view it as a problem, either something to be fixed or something to look down on us for, that a lot of fanficcers don't participate much in other forums. I don't agree, but the attitude exists.
The point is well made that there can be multiple threads on the same topic due to the different types of discussion in a given forum, such as separate threads on a particular character in Fanfic Resource, OT/PT, and Literature. It's also true that fanfic-type discussion differs from a lot of other discussion of a source material... the basic difference being that we're looking at it as a source material rather than as something complete in itself. The latter might be an effective argument, or it might be met with the idea that having more people with a different set of perspectives involved in the conversation is a good thing, not something that would be unfair to one group or the other. (And frankly, if we want to discuss other fandoms -- from our own perspectives -- in SFF, nothing is currently stopping us.)
I honestly don't think comfort levels would go over well at all in the Comms discussion, though. I don't believe that kind of thing is a priority for the type of people who participate there.
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JediNemesis
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Date Posted:
5/8 4:53pm
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Persephone_Kore posted:
I honestly don't think comfort levels would go over well at all in the Comms discussion, though. I don't believe that kind of thing is a priority for the type of people who participate there.
Same. I hesitated over posting that here, truth be told.
It's just something that could need taking into account. Again, the mods will certainly know the facts of the matter better than I do, but from what I've seen, the "people who only post in FanFic" make up a decent slice of the FF userbase. Some of them (I was one for a while) are that way because the rest of the JCC can be pretty wild, whereas the FF forums are uniquely contained and cosy. Some might say insular.
Obliging all fanficcers' discussion of NSW material to be taken to the appropriate external forum could, conceivably, lead to people not using NSWFF who otherwise would. If the userbase of NSWFF is supposed to be chiefly drawn from the existing FF community, then alienating (too strong a term, but my mind is blank on the synonym front) people who, by definition, regard FF as their home, wouldn't be good.
And such redirection does again raise the question of whether NSWFF is being treated as a subsidiary of FanFic or a subsidiary of SFF. From everything I've read, it's the former, in which case completely outsourcing NSW discussion and prohibiting an NSW presence in Resource doesn't seem logical. Surely a new forum would be best served by integration into its parent community rather than separation from it.
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Persephone_Kore
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I think comfort levels are a reasonable thing to consider, yes.
My personal inclination is still to have a single NSWFF thread in this area, possibly with rotating discussion foci, which would allow fic-centric discussion of the represented fandoms without either flooding the current Resource with threads for every Harry Potter or X-Men character, requiring a separate Resource, or removing the encouragement to go discuss these topics in SFF. (Come to think of it, it would also provide a place to discuss non-SFF canons.) But I'm less invested in the "Where shall we have discussion?" question than some, so I should probably leave that discussion to those for whom it is especially important.
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Gabri_Jade
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Date Posted:
5/8 6:32pm
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Persephone_Kore posted:
My personal inclination is still to have a single NSWFF thread in this area, possibly with rotating discussion foci, which would allow fic-centric discussion of the represented fandoms without either flooding the current Resource with threads for every Harry Potter or X-Men character, requiring a separate Resource, or removing the encouragement to go discuss these topics in SFF.
This seems like a reasonable compromise; otherwise, my own inclination would be for NSWFF to have a separate Resource. Even limiting NSWFF to one thread per fandom in this Resource would have the very definite potential for flooding the forum. I could easily list off enough popular fandoms likely to have fanfic on the new board to bump every single SW topic off the front page in Resource even with the one thread rule, and I really don't want to see that.
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Healer_Leona
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Persephone_Kore posted:
I think comfort levels are a reasonable thing to consider, yes.
My personal inclination is still to have a single NSWFF thread in this area, possibly with rotating discussion foci, which would allow fic-centric discussion of the represented fandoms without either flooding the current Resource with threads for every Harry Potter or X-Men character, requiring a separate Resource, or removing the encouragement to go discuss these topics in SFF. (Come to think of it, it would also provide a place to discuss non-SFF canons.) But I'm less invested in the "Where shall we have discussion?" question than some, so I should probably leave that discussion to those for whom it is especially important.
As I'm taking this area to mean the current Resource board, I find it a less then optimal idea and not a compromise at all.
Is it really that much of an issue for this new forum to possibly include a total of three boards, two story boards and one resource board?
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