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Opie Wan Cannoli
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Date Posted:
2/16/00 8:28pm
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SW/Dune/Discworld crossover
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So anyway, a Bene Gesserit, a Jedi, and a
wizard of Unseen University walk into a bar
at opening time. The bartender's kid is in
there, he's taking the chairs off the tables
with a flick of his fingers, he can predict
what drinks the customers want, you know, that
stuff. The Bene Gesserit takes in a sharp breath
and says, "You have the Kwisatz Haderach!"
The Jedi's jaw drops, and he says, "You have
the Chosen One who will bring balance to the
Force!"
And the UU wizard stays cool as a cucumber,
looks at the bartender, and says, "You have any
Bearhugger's whiskey?"
-from "Party jokes of Muad'dib" by the Princess Irulan.
Leia Organa Solo looked out at the lights of what normally was daytime on her part of Coruscant. Force, that thing's bigger than an SSD!, she thought as the Spacing Guild Heighliner approached and prepared to meet the shuttle sent to pick up the delegates for the summit meeting. Normally, visitors from this other galaxy got off these bulk cruisers at various points in the Outer Rim and transferred to various NR craft, but the delegation Emperor Atreides- how odd that title seemed on anyone but Palpaitne!- had sent was so large as to fill an entire one.
Meanwhile, on another part of Coruscant, Rincewind the wizard was running away. Again. He did not know what he was running to, of course. That, in fact, was what had gotten him into this mess in the first place- he had run onto some smuggler's old Ghtroc freighter back in Ankh-Morpork, and now he was on this strange world with strange buildings, strange vehicles, strange people! Nothing here is like home- nothing!
Suddenly Rincewind heard a familiar voice call out ,"Nerf sausages inna bun! Ruby bliels, cold as Hoth! Fresh baked Wookiee cookies!" He went over to this man, as a fly to a light bulb.
"Hi. Your name wouldn't be Dibbler by any chance, would it?"
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Darth Vacuous
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Date Posted:
2/16/00 8:54pm
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Re: SW/Dune/Discworld crossover
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Rincewind had very little time to chat with Blade-Me-Own-Back D'blar, as at this juncture a group of discouragingly large men rounded the corner, wearing imposing uniforms, more weaponry than was altogether reasonable, and expressions of distinct annoyance directed squarely at strategic kill zones scattered across Rincewind's battered robes and slightly-less-than-pointy hat.
Rincewind, having been neatly provided with a new from, opted to place as much distance between himself and it as possible. D'blar's attempt to sell Rincewind's pursuers a pile of suspiciously tofu-smelling gound nerf was unsuccessful in that it resulted in his being pinned upside down to the nearest wall by his trouser legs until someone took him down. Knowing Coruscant, that wasn't likely in the near future.
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Opie Wan Cannoli
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Meanwhile, on board the Heighliner, Paul-Muad'dib (1) was loading up his family- real wife, pretend wife, and boy-girl twins (2) onto the shuttle to go down to Coruscant.
"I don't know about this place, Paulie. I hear they act as though the Butlerian Jihad never existed."
"For them, Irulan, it didn't. That's why we're here, to buy droids. And call me Mister Atreides in private- you're only my pretend wife," Paul said, turning to Stilgar, "What's on the agenda first?"
"Well, first we stop off at Sunglass Hut to hide our spice-tinted eyes so the sales reps don't know each and every one of us is an addict, even the kids, then we drop those kids off with the Solos' Wookiee so that Jaina Solo'll get a crush on Leto and Jacen one on Ghanima-"
"Are you sure? They're all only ten."
"Believe me, boss, these people are rarin' to go at that age."
"Okay, Stil. Then what?"
"Then we meet with the Huff Darklighter's people on the stillsuit deal, while all the kids get kidnapped."
"Makes sense to me."
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1. Fremen for "muddy dip".
2. Yes, I'm aware of Dune continuity. I just choose to ignore it.
[This message has been edited by Opie Wan Cannoli (edited 02-18-2000).]
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CaptainArdiff
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Date Posted:
2/18/00 1:51pm
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Amused I am, I trust Arch-chancellor Ridcully will make an appearance. Maybe fighting against a Palpy clone
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Opie Wan Cannoli
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Date Posted:
2/21/00 9:46am
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Stilgar got off the shuttle and looked around. "Mu zein wallah"(1), he mumbled. Just then Rincewind ran into him, and slowly looked up at his face.
"B..bb...bbllluuuUUUUUE!!!!!!", Rincewind yelled, and ran away.
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1. Fremen for "I got a bad feeling about this"
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Jedi Rox
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2/21/00 3:50pm
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LOL
I trust the dude himself will make an appearance...
I MUST SAY, THESE WOOKIEE COOKIES ARE VERY GOOD. DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE KNOW WHATS IN THEM?
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Saeed
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Date Posted:
5/15/00 7:16am
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Re: The One Thing Most Fan Films Are REALLY Missing...
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I read a recent similar thread from FLEANATION_PRODUCTIONS 55, and thought that now would be a good time to post this...
I've noticed for a long time that very few fan films feature CG animated characters. Of course, there are a number of technically excellent animations, but I have yet to see anyone attempt to combine live action with character animation.
It's not hard to see why - CG is difficult enough for film makers, let alone actors, who would have to act and react to thin air, or a crude prop.
The closest thing to this that I can see from what's currently available is the co-pilot in 'Knightquest'... I'd be interested in seeing other attempts, if anyone else knows of any.
Giving that this seems to be the way Lucasfilm is going, perhaps we will soon see a new wave of fan films, giving us all that little something extra to enjoy.
Now, if the good people at TFN Theater will just get round to releasing MY film...
Saeed
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Saeed
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5/17/00 10:04am
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I take it from the lack of response that my initial feelings were correct on this...
Hmmmmm...very interesting...
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Darth_Manus
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I'm making a cg character that has a small roll in my Fan Film. I just started work on it.
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Nathan PTH
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5/17/00 11:57am
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I think it's more a matter of just how much more work it might be to add a CGI character. Until recently, fan films have been a lot smaller in scale and scope. I've taken to looking at things like this:
"Troops," whether it was *the* first, or just the first major one to be widely recognized, started the fan films trend, but even then, it took a while for the genre to build.
As the fan film genre built more and more, we then, recently, hit what you might call a rennaissance of fan films. Films like TDR, KQ, and PTH have really marked the coming of a new age of sorts in fan films, where the production values and visual qualities of fan films have been bumped up beyond what they've been before, and, just like with "Troops," the films (and their cohorts) are inspiring more and more people to get into the "biz."
I mention all of that because until we've hit this sort of renaissance, fan films have never really been the large-scale projects that would call for the time, effort, planning, etc. needed for CGI characters. Fan films were, until recently, creations of dedicated groups of fans, usually with a mix of talents, but not a lot of major film abilities. Now we're seeing a lot of groups using CGI, but you'll notice that of the groups using CGI, a fair number of them are small, about-to-go-professional film groups, not just groups of diverse fans. I have no doubt that this shift in how films are made and how we look at fan films will eventually lead to more CGI characters, but right now it is such a novel thing for a fan film that many people don't even think about it. (Case in point: "Second Strike" is set to include a cast--counting small roles--of maybe 50 - 70 people, with at least 16 individual stormtrooper roles, along with extras in armor in the background. The closest, really, that we've come in considering a CGI character for the film has been upon seeing "S"otet Oldal" and considering doing some background stormies as CGI characters. It's just not something most people think about when planning a film.)
--Nathan Butler
Co-Writer, Prelude to Hope
Writer, Second Strike
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Saeed
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Wow! The legendary 'Nathan PTH' responds!
I think that rather than us fans looking at what ILM can do and saying "that's way above my abilities", we should let ILM inspire us to expand our creative horizons just a little bit with each project. I'm the first to admit I have no experience in organic modelling, but I have experimented with basic CG robots, and I plan to add more in my current project. While this is a far cry from a fanfilm Jar Jar Binks (maybe that's not such a bad thing), I hope that at least my films should stand out a little from the usual mix of 2 Jedi/3 Jedi/4Jedi-but-one's-a-lady type film (not that there's anything wrong with those) and inspire others to experiment.
Funnily enough, on my first film - long before I had even heard of TFN, or fanfilms in general - I originally started thinking about doing a CG robot just because I couldn't find anyone else willing to act alongside me...
I look forward to this 'new wave' of fan films, should they ever materialise.
By the way, if anyone else has a poor response to their topic, try posting a reply yourself - this will bring your topic to the top of the list, generating new interest - Hey, it worked for me... he he he...
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Nathan PTH
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Geneva,Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Saeed:
Wow! The legendary 'Nathan PTH' responds!
"Ya hear that, ya slimes? Ahm famous!"
::wonders how many people got that quote::
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One of the major problem with making believable CGI characters is in the motion capture. It is simply too expensive (Tens of thousands of dollars) to buy a motion capture system. Thus, the characters must be animated by hand, and results this way often look wooden and unbelievable when the CGI charactes are standing next to flesh and blood types.
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Umm, haven't you seen The Phantom Menace Saeed? Let's hope fans never make the mistake of attempting to put CG characters in their films. Unless of course it's a spoof, poking a little fun.
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Xecuter666
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nicely said sponewalker! JarJar blew bad!
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Saeed
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Like it or not, Sponewalker, CG characters are here to stay. It will only be a matter of time before they appear in fan films.
What's important is to distinguish between the technology used to bring these characters to the screen, and the creativity (or lack of it) in getting the character's designs/personality etc right in the first place.
It's easy to focus on mistakes like Jar Jar Binks, but I prefer to embrace the possibilities new technology can offer. Surely you were impressed with the design of Sebulba, the concept of the rolling droideka, or the way the battle droids are despatched from the MTT's? Technology is only half the reason the SW saga's effects are the best in the business - creativity is the other...
Next thing you know, you'll be arguing that ILM shouldn't have bothered rotscoping all the lightsabre sequences !
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