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The_Scream_Man
Title: FF Chapter Rep: New South Wales AU
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Date Posted:
5/17/00 11:38pm
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Re: The One Thing Most Fan Films Are REALLY Missing...
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Im going to be killed now arent I? I know it. Ill be banned from the forum...But I cant let it go unsaid. Id feel terrible if i didnt.
I liked Jar Jar Binks.
*holds up sabers in defense*
wait wait! put the blasters down, I can explain!
See, everyone looked at Jar Jar and went "what the sith?" But to me, I saw a cool character. Now maybe its the comic book artist in me, but everyone needs a little comedy relief! And I thought there were times when he was genuinely funny! Like when his tongue went numb...I still laugh at him saying "Ny tounge..ith fat!" lol...anyway...
Look, he is no dumber than threepio, and he made it into all 4 movies! I actually like Jar Jar more than threepio! I thought he was funnier.
And then u look at it technically. Jar Jar was REALLY well done. i mean after awhile u forget u are watching a computer character! He lives, and breathes, and has a personality!
CGI characters really ARE hard to do! And I admire people for attempting them. But don't go bagging out Jar jar in principle, coz he DOES have his strong points.
Sides, none of US could do it!
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Ejan Jerthrid
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Date Posted:
5/18/00 12:20am
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Geneva,Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nathan PTH:
"Ya hear that, ya slimes? Ahm famous!"
::wonders how many people got that quote::
heh heh. I just saw that movie the other day...
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lokmer
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5/18/00 2:10am
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The first time I saw TPM, I hated JarJar. But you know what, after a few more viewings, I really got to like him. I think the major problem was that there was so little of him as anything but comic relief that it took a few viewings to really see the endearing character that was there. But, then again, there was a lot of character-related material in TPM that was sacrificed on the alter of plot. I mean, let's face it. You have to set up a 12 hour saga, lay the groundwork for everything that follows, in 2 hrs. It's an impossible task, but it had to be done. That's why TPM felt so incomplete - it was supposed to. It's a first chapter, nothing more. And as that, it succeeded well. It's just that the first trilogy was so compelling that most of us (myself included) expected more than TPM could offer and still set up the rest of the series.
-Lokmer
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Saeed
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5/18/00 6:57pm
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I didn't really want this topic to become an arena for fighting over the merits of any particular character - CG or otherwise - but for the record, I didn't like Jar Jar. Whilst Threepio was certainly annoying at times, most of his (and Artoo's) parts in the original trilogy were at least important to the plot in some way or another. The trouble with gambling on an all out comic relief character is that comedy is so subjective, you either love it or hate it... This is not say I'm against CG characters, of course - I didn't feel Ewan Mcgregor put in a particularly good performance in TPM, but I'm not advocating we take out acting from future SW films!
Whilst the implementation of full CG characters is to be applauded, I find I'm enjoying TPM a lot more on video - I can fast forward all Jar Jar's scenes...Now, if Lucas would only see fit to relase TPM on DVD...
Anyway, my current project may have a minor organic CG character (I need to brush up on my modelling skills) and if I can finish the trilogy I'm planning, the final installment will definitely have more...
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The_Scream_Man
Title: FF Chapter Rep: New South Wales AU
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5/18/00 9:21pm
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So.....Im not being hunted for my like of the Binks boy?
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The Jedi Apprentice
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5/18/00 9:30pm
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I hope you aren't scream man. I personally liked Jar Jar. He was the comic relief, he worked fine in TPM. Jake Lloyd's "yipees" were a LOT more annoying to me.
I'd like to see a fan film with a serious story, yet filled with some comic relief.
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Nathan PTH
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Geneva,Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Jedi Apprentice:
I'd like to see a fan film with a serious story, yet filled with some comic relief.
You'll see that with Second Strike. However, our serious story is going to be . . . very serious. Quite dark. Good guys doing what has to be done, yada yada. But you'll find plenty of comic relief, but not the slapsticky kind.
--Nathan Butler
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Writer, Second Strike
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scifi_3d_zoo
Title: Manager: Scifi 3D Forum
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5/20/00 12:33pm
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I see great things coming our way soon. I think we'll get the attention of mainstream media in a very big way. I've been predicting this revolution to my friends and family for about 10 years. It's a matter of evolution of the home computer, the price of them coming down and the speed goin up, the price of graphics chips plummetting, and the availability of video editing gear on the pc in a price range affordable the fan. We're still a LONG way off for the average user being able to edit their home movies in a professional way. Lets face it, people on whole are still trying to figure out how to use windows. But the future will be everybody editing their home videos on their pc's, even grandma.
AND I think fan films are following this same evolutionary scale. It's just a matter of time till somebody does some interactive cgi character spots. You DON'T need a motion cap device either. Just look at the animations in our WIP section at SCIFI 3D. Some of the characters there are very believable and done by hand, lip synching and all. All you have to do beyond that is composite it with video. I think people will borrow some of the techniques used by the studios to do this too. Using balls and other placement markers so people know where to look, etc. It's just a matter of time. But you are right, MOTION CAP systems are way too expensive and high tech. The last SIGGRAPH show I went too 1/2 of them were having techincal problems. But it's not necessary. You ask any studio and they'll tell you that they use both motion cap and keyframing. So you can't rely on just one. And at least for MAX users, there is a library of motion caps for use. I just read about a new software motion cap that can do it using 2D images. So that too one day will come to the home user.
CHECK out the Jar Jar in our WIP page. He is animated beautifully.
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Saeed
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5/20/00 2:02pm
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Thank you for pointing out the sci-fi 3d section to me, zoo. Strange really, I've never checked it out before... (TFN is sooo big...)
...but now that I have, I'm going to stay quite once and for all on my own crummy 3D efforts. Even my 'better' work pales in comparison to anything over there - including the amateur section.
Thanks anyway...
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scifi_3d_zoo
Title: Manager: Scifi 3D Forum
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5/20/00 8:16pm
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Hmm...that's too bad. I mean that our site turned you off in a way. AND that you never heard of it before. And we're a part of TFN. Remember most of these guys I've seen their work for the past 2-4 years. I saw them go from lowly amateur to stuff like the Jar Jar animation. Don't be discouraged. Keep plugging away.
I think I'm gonna post a thread about our site. THere's too many people that don't know about it.
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Saeed
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5/20/00 9:28pm
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"I'll be back..."
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JadedBlade
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5/21/00 5:24pm
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Ooohh..good keep it up.
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Sponewalker
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5/22/00 12:47am
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Not rotoscoping sabers sure worked for us.
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buliwif
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5/22/00 1:22am
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Hey Nathan PTH, "Great, I'm a million miles in the middle of nowhere, about to get killed, and i got a gung-ho iguana telling me to relax!!!"
Mr. Quote strikes again... BOOO-YA!!!!
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Nathan PTH
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5/22/00 2:11am
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Heh, another Last Starfighter quote.
The good flicks never die.
--Nathan Butler
Co-Writer, Prelude to Hope
Writer, Second Strike
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