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cidnitro Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 11:52am Subject: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	My friend and I were talking last night and he said it'd be cool if he and I could get a small animation team together (once we can teach ourselves how to model/animate). I was wondering what would be better? A team like Pixar Studios that creates full-length computer animated films or a team like (the side of) ILM that deals with special fx? Each way has it's pros and cons. Personnaly, I'd like to form a team that is devoted to making films instead of only special fx. What's your opinion? CidNitro
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citizen-tom Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 12:25pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	once we can teach ourselves how to model/animate Start there.
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drippyzeo Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 12:57pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	That's like trying to decide if you want to be like Microsoft or Electronic Arts. Before you learn how to program. You've got a long way to go. Best of luck. -----signature----- "Less Darth Maul, more Darth Vader." http://www.thethousand.net
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Jedi_Cougar Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:02pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Try both, then decide. -----signature----- Jedi_Cougar
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Jankster Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:04pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	First learn how to model and animate. Then you can decide if you want to make models to animate a full feature film, or model and animate models that will be integrated into live action footage. Each idea has a few similar steps, which are the basics of what you are trying to do. Learn the basics, and then decide. You'll have a better idea of what you're capable of then, as each choice requires different capabilities.
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durbnpoisn Title: TFN Staff Ca st & Crew Database Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:30pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Consider this, also... Full length feature animations are a LOT more work than integrating objects into scenes. At least in terms of how many objects are being animated at once. Almost every studio that does full length feaures has very specific custom written software to handle the intense modelling and rendering involved - with the exception of whoever did Jimmy Neutron (which was produced with off-the-shelf software). Doing a movie like Monsters Inc. is not as simple as building models and setting up cameras and lights. There was some incredible software custom written to handle the details like, snow, fur, environmental effects, etc... It's not nearly as easy and cost effective as you might think. -----signature----- Fan Films Database: R.I.P. Cloning in AE: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films/cloneTut/index.asp My Star Wars Fan Films: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films
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WhisperingDeath Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:44pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	For the purposes of the discussion I would suggest that you do an ILM thing. Teach yourself with small special effects things and maybe some of the fanfilm makers on this board will take notice of your talents later on and wish to employ them. -----signature----- http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org
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Semaj Ovured Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:53pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Frankly, I think much of it depends on you and your team. Are you comic book guys? Are you computer tech heads? Do you like the Disney-esque quality or the hi-tech feel? It seems what you are talking about here is finding your voice. And in the final analysis, that depends on you, not what is said here on this thread. -----signature----- STARFLEET RENEGADES http://www.starfleetrenegades.com RED ALERT!
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BrentK7 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 12/30/02 2:07pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	personally i don't like shooting that much. I like to edit and composit. So i would most enjoy being a SFX House like ILM. -----signature----- -Brent "BrentK7" Keltner brentk7(at)gmail.com ICQ# 5413021 AIM:BrentK7
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PixelMagic Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 2:30pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	I already work at Industrial Light and Magic, bwaaa ha ha ha ha!!! I just never told you guys! -----signature----- http://danielbroadway.blogspot.com "A wise man tastes good, but a dumb man is easier to catch" -Codepoet
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DorkmanScott Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 2:33pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Worth noting: Pixar was originally a subset of ILM. Personally, I think that until you can model, animate, and integrate CG into live footage, there's very little chance you'll be able to do a whole film that way. M. Scott -----signature----- Yes We Did http://www.ryanvsdorkman.com Check out my blog: http://dorkmanscott.wordpress.com
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scudknight Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 12/30/02 2:58pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	I wanna be like Pixelmagic...... -----signature----- AQOF2 - DallasKnight Productions http://www.dallasknightproductions.com "I'm not perfect or saved, baby. So suck it." - Wil Wheaton Watnoose!
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Senator_Amory Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 5:47pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Off-Topic PixelMagic, Are you for real? Do you actually work at Industrial Light & Magic; or are you just fooling around? On-Topic I agree with the post above that say, in a nutshell, to learn the stuff - then decide what is best for yourself and your group. However, who said that you can't have your cake and eat it too? Isn't it possible that there is more than that one peice of cake left on the counter? What I'm getting at is that you could, very well possibly, do both. But let me define both Pixar and ILM. PIXAR Pixar is basically a spin-off production company of Disney that specializes in CG animation; but CG animation alone. They do not do special effects. Industrial Light & Magic ILM is a company created by Lucasfilm to do special effects; for StarWars and Indiana Jones films at first, then they began to do effects and animation for other films as well. The most recent being Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. They both do a great job at what they specialize in, but neither can do what the other one does. But you and your friends could create the first company to do both. Your new company could both produce CG animated movies, while doing special animation and effects for other films as well. This way, if your company is a good one at both operations, you get the benefits of both sides of the business. Not to mention that your company would bring in more money for offering more services than others do. -----signature----- "To abandon the Republic would be against my better judgment as a loving leader of my people."
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PixelMagic Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 5:54pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	Ha ha, of course I'm just fooling around. I CAN'T EVEN 3D MODEL!!!! (Goes an cries for his lack of modeling ability) -----signature----- http://danielbroadway.blogspot.com "A wise man tastes good, but a dumb man is easier to catch" -Codepoet
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tumblemoster Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 12/30/02 5:59pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	I think the real question you want to need to answer is: What kind of stories do you want to tell? Modeling a photo real creature versus a cartoony character is basically the same at the modeling level. Animating either is also basically the same process. There are no Pixar-like or ILM-like companies. You do the kind of work you A: get paid for, or; B: like to do. Thats all there is to it. -tm -----signature----- http://www.tumblemonster.com http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1984394/ http://www.youtube.com/tumblemonster http://twitter.com/tumblemonster
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DorkmanScott Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 6:06pm Subject: RE: Pixar-wannabe or ILM-wannabe?
	For the record, ILM's most recent work can be viewed in Scorsese's Gang of New York. M. Scott -----signature----- Yes We Did http://www.ryanvsdorkman.com Check out my blog: http://dorkmanscott.wordpress.com
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