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G-Unit Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 2:39pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Man, with Durb's post the competition sounds like a heated race to the finish line. -----signature----- Aaron Greer-Director/Writer/Producer http://www.nexthorizonfilms.com/ "I'd rather direct than produce. Any day. And twice on Sunday." Steven Spielberg Current Project- Gatekeeper
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Funk-E Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	However, I think people should stick to judging the choreography and not making personal assessments of people's posture, acting skills, appearance, etc. Uh..but that's part of the choreography. Appearance not so much, but posture and acting skills are certainly important parts of good choreography. -----signature----- I'm so adjective, I verb nouns. RIP George Carlin!
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Lightsaber_Style8675 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 2:53pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Con't. Reviews 11-20... (the rest will be up later) Entry 11: For starters you had a good location. But the fighting itself was rather weak. It was slow, and aimed mostly at the other guy’s blade. That; however, does not mean it didn’t show promise. If the moves were sped up slightly, and the combatants were closer together, it definitely showed promise. Also, work on “selling” your kicks better. The punch was done really well though, and the sound effect sold it. The editing and cinematography was pretty good, but could use some work. Keep it up guys. Entry 12: Really good music and camera angles. The back handspring and other stunts were extremely amazing, but the swordplay itself wasn’t that good. A lot of it was just hitting sticks together, and you got in a LOT of lock-ups. Close-ups were used to cover up the fighting. The editing could’ve used some work, but wasn’t too bad. The fighting from about 1:45 to the end of the fight you guys were way too far apart, and it was… well… slow. The jump through the tree was cool though. Entry 13: Clone fight! You get props just for attempting that. The special effects, use of environment, and removal of limbs were AWESOME, but the fighting was well…it could have been better. It is very hard to do clone fights though, and yours was very fun to watch. The last shot is hilarious too! Great job. Entry 14: The beginning stuff looked a lot like “blade touching,” if you know what I mean. I can tell that you guys understand the mechanics of fighting, but it there was a lot of stick bashing. The lightning saber was cool though, and your footwork was good. I also liked your environment. Cool ending; very Samurai like. Entry 15: Awesome location, and the Sith looked cool, but the voice is cliché and the acting is bad. The fighting had its cool moments, but the rest was stick bashing. I did; however, like the throwing of the rock. It was a cool trick to incorporate. Also, please use more than two different saber sounds next time . The Sith hardly ever moved his feet, but the Jedi had decent footwork. The over head- miss swings were executed well. The force jump was cool, because the editor and actors sold it really well, and no fancy special effects were needed. Good job. The whole “banging the stick until the lightsaber falls out of the hand” thing is…un-needed is the best word I guess. Very cool ending though. Entry 16: The editing and color correction on this was really good. The acting, though bad, seemed like it was MEANT to be bad in order to sell the cheesiness of the film. The fighting was quick, but there should be more. You guys should also work on aiming at the opponent. Both fighters maintained pretty good stances, but the black-shirted guy had the better footwork. The hand-to-hand stuff was pretty well done, quick and aimed at the other guy. I believe the ending on this one was pulled off better than number 5, but that is just my opinion. Overall, I think that if you guys work on your cinematography (a little bit of camera movement would be nice), and have more moves aimed at the body, you could put something very cool together. Good job. Entry 17: The fighting in this one is very good. The moves are very precise and well thought out. I liked the use of three combatants, and it was executed very nicely. Each fighter had a different style, which was nice to see. I like in the beginning how the guy with the red (?) hair dodged those moves as if he was bored, and then whipped out his saber. I really liked the kicks and the sliding in the snow. It looked real (and fun ). The hand-to-hand combat was brilliant; you guys really know what you’re doing. I also liked how the red haired guy grabbed the other guys arm and used his saber to fight (ok, that was stated vaguely, but I think you know what I’m talking about). At 2:22, just in case that confused anyone. Cool ending too. Great job, guys. Entry 18: LOL!!! I’m sorry, but if this one wasn’t SUPPOSED to be funny, then I don’t know what it was supposed to be. It had me laughing though. That is the most obnoxious song in the world. The fighting itself, was, well… funny. It was quite slow, but if performed in a more serious situation it could have been cool. LOL, I got to about 1:30 before the song drove me crazy… Funny stuff… Entry 19: Well, this one had a decent location, but choreography needs a LOT of work. Don’t give up though guys. Next time practice your moves a lot more, and gain confidence so that you can move faster. Also, aim at your opponent. Work on selling your kicks and punches, too. Reactions are VERY important in those situations. The one getting hit needs to give the best reaction he/she can possibly do. I’m not sure how old you guys are, but you look pretty young. The more fights you shoot, the better you get; trust me, I know. This was a good attempt, and you were competing against a lot of “experienced” people, so don’t get down on yourselves, at least you made a fight and submitted it, which is more than lots of people can say. Keep it up. Entry 20: Very nice. To the point, and just straight fighting. The moves were very fluid, and there were some brilliant choreography ideas in there. I loved the way you took “anonymous” to a new level. I was very impressed with the ability of both opponents. I know this shouldn’t affect judgment, but the lack of sound made it harder to watch. I could; however, almost hear the sounds in my head as it was playing, so… props to ya’. This was a very good entry, and definitely in my top five favorites. -----signature----- J-Dawg Productions Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and Dodge! "If Ignorance is Bliss, why aren't more people happy?" "Why do they lock gas station bathrooms? Are they afraid someone will clean them?"
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DarthMeekAndMild Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:00pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/11/05 3:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthMeekAndMild
	> It just so happens that #2, #17, #20 all had awsome choreography. Seriously. Why don't you go start a FX contest because you are quite obviously only interested shiny lightsabers and what have you.< I explained my opinions in some details in my reviews, so I won't go into it again. But I will make a couple of points: First, my first-place choice was un-'scoped. Second, I agree that those three had very good choreography. That's why I mentioned them again. Third, of those three, only #17 was negatively affected by not being rotoscoped. And that was only because the audience was left to imagine full-sized sabers too often. Rotoscoping had no effect on my opinion of the other two. -----signature----- You, the reader, did not exist before you saw my sig. http://kurinboism.blogspot.com/
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BojacRedleif Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:02pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	oooh pretty lights -----signature----- Steve Irwin There's only one "Revenge" ok, and it ain't "of the Fallen" it's "of the Sith".
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Covax Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:12pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/11/05 3:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Covax
	I must say that people can certainly be mean-spirited in their reviews. I now understand why actors don't read their reviews - it can be very disheartening to put so much effort into something to only have it trashed or dismissed so easily. "Art is long and critics are the insects of a day." -----signature----- Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can do neither, critique. http://www.Key-Pixel.com
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DARTH-XAVIER Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:28pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Funk-E: You're absolutely right, posture is a part of choreography. I will clarify that, in one or two posts, people mentione someone's posture as a negative about them as people, not as combatants. In other words, the critique (if you can call it that) was not aimed at assessing choreography skill or delivery. The same goes for comments on appearance: chubby, lanky, hot, tall, etc., are not needed. These are not comments on acting or delivery, but on people's looks, so that's what I was addressing. Thanks, Covax, for that great quote. "Art is long and critics are the insects of a day." That is great to keep in mind. Hector -----signature----- A Star Wars Prequels Fan, Pure and Simple - Do NOT Call Me an Apologist!
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Jedi_Spiff Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:38pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	However, I think people should stick to judging the choreography and not making personal assessments of people's posture, acting skills, appearance, etc. I've been debating this with myself almost endlessly since the contest began. The question I pose to the viewer of choreography is this - If a person seeks to demonstrate a certain choreography - but is incapable of performing the moves they propose... is it good choreography? I mean, suppose you hired them on set and they were the ones training your actors... Yet the best they could present to you with what you see here? How would you or the actor being taught know that their instructors technique was lousy? Or better yet... Suppose the choreography tells me that I'm supposed to kick a guy in the temple, but every time the instructor shows me, he kicks the guy in the nose 'cause he lacks precision. Which move is it that I'm supposed to do? Which move is the choreographed one? Because obviously, the two techniques have different results, require different reactions from the actor, etc. Carry this further into sword swings and swordsmanship... and you begin to see a problem. It's not enough just to have moves in a flashy sequence. One needs to have techniques - and each technique has to have a purpose. -Spiff -----signature----- "There are some things money can't buy. For everything else there's a Canadian taxpayer." - RCAF Now a member of the unofficial Master Zap fanclub. PwNN: http://wbm.zenutech.com/WBFilm/SWPlanet.html
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Evil-Henchman Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 3:52pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/11/05 3:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Evil-Henchman
	cho-re-og-ra-py n. The art of creating and arranging dances, esp. ballets. Riverside Webster's II Dictionary (Revised Edition) circa 1996. Ok, so this means we all do ballet moves next time right? J/K -----signature----- http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Evil-Henchman/ARKM%20Saber%20Hilts/
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AzerNik Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 4:14pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	No, no, no. You just gave the definition of Choreograpy. We're into choreography here. -----signature----- Long live all of us crazy soldiers who were born under calico skies May we never be called to handle All the weapons of war we despise
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Evil-Henchman Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 4:25pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Uh, me no understand. scratches head -----signature----- http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/Evil-Henchman/ARKM%20Saber%20Hilts/
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brook_33 Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:02pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Anyone know what sabers those were in Entry 8 that made the glows on the combatants' faces? I'm sure there's several places you could go to find sabers that do that. Any ideas? -----signature----- I'm one of those Fan Filmers that writes a ton of amazing scripts and never films them
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SilverFox0440 Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:05pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Hasbro. -----signature----- "ARFARG a new word? Or just gibberish/ you decide." "What IS Meatball?" http://www.HunterCarter.com/stagnation -- My Blog http://lokidoki.com/ -- MP3 Rotation http://www.2manshows.com/ - Free video and webhosting.
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Jedi-Avatar Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:08pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Darth-Xavier, you are absolutely right. I made a comment regarding one young man's posture and said it as a throw-away comment. I did not intend to bash the guy, but I totally see how it comes across that way. I even said I was going to try to avoid being mean, and what do I do? Screw up with that comment. If I had said it in the context of how it affected his fighting then it would not have been so bad. But it was tossed off as a bon mot and that was not so nice. To that young man, I sincerely apologize for my inappropriate comment. I wish I could remove it, but it is far too late. I will endeavour to be better in the future. OK, on with the show. -----signature----- "Hey, it's me!" ---------------- Old Jedi never die, they just become one with the Force.
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Ryan_W Title: Fan Films: Emmy-Winning Lightsaber Geek Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:14pm Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/11/05 5:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Ryan_W
	Anyone know what sabers those were in Entry 8 that made the glows on the combatants' faces? I'm sure there's several places you could go to find sabers that do that. Any ideas? Just hang out a couple/few more days until the polls close when we post who did what, and you can ask the creator(s) yourself. Until then, let's avoid questions targeted at specific entries and/or their creators. -----signature----- http://www.RyanVsDorkman.com http://www.twitter.com/RyanWieber
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