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RIPLEY426  3617 posts
Registered: Apr '03
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 2:54pm Subject: Digital Grading
How do you make a footage shot in a forest look more jungle- like?

Jungle means:

-green, saturated leaves
-unease, created by the jungle's impenetrability

For the latter I've already found out: You have to lower the brightness and up the contrast, until you get really harsh lines and dark areas. The eye must not allowed to have a spot to 'rest on'.

I can hardly cope with the first one. Hours of trying to change the color balance, key out the leaves and replace them with more (greenly) saturated leaves have never really led to any convincinv result. Sure! It works far better than the untouched footage but somehow I don't get the jungle feeling.

Then I watched Lost, again, jealously being amazed by the jungle- feeling that is pretty well- delivered in there. Suddenly I noticed that in many scenes there seems to be a really low amount of blue [as in RGB]. The characters and the wood is kind of red, the rest is pure, saturated green. I tried to emulate this quality but somehow I failed. Whenever I lowered the blue value the image wouldn't go red (for the trees and persons) and green (for the leaves and stems) but YELLOW instead, since green+red becomes yellow in RBG colors.

So what am I supposed to do? Any ideas?

 

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FruityTooty  4227 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 3:00pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
Post pix of what you're talking about and your raw footage, plz.

 

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Eamon  120 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 3:26pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
Add some layers -- This is just one way to do somthing like what you are asking...

1.) Orange(color)(15%)
2.) Blue(subtract)(30%)
3.) Duplicate layer (soft light)(gussian blur 10-20)

Layers

Old

New


-Eamon

 

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FruityTooty  4227 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 3:31pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
S'one way to do it.

 

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theN00_Jedi  1041 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 5:27pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
I'd say keep playing with the contrast and lowering the brightness, and you'll eventually get what you're looking for... the color grading is unessesary, if you bring the lighting all the way down it has a tendancy to filter out the not green elements... not sure if I've explained that very well

 

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Darthness  2000 posts
Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 9:04pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading - Date Edited: 2/5/06 9:59pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Darthness
I'm going to see what I can do with the pic Eamon posted.


Edit: Just did it.

Before:


After A:


After B:




Edit #2: Actually, since you mentioned Lost, I think this version better nails the "Lost look".






Edit #3: Okay, now I think this version nails it better than any of the previous ones.


 

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XackAttack  1298 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 9:33pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
I'm liking the effect, Eamon.

 

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RIPLEY426  3617 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 11:38pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading - Date Edited: 2/5/06 11:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RIPLEY426
I'm using Ulead Meida Studio Pro which certainly does not have as many effects like After Effects. I think I can emulate the effect that you posted last, though. It's just more saturation, isn't it?

Anyway. Now that's what LOST looks like. Here are stills from Lost:


Here are some rarely compressed (and deinterlaced) seconds of my "forest":
Mpeg4; 1.1 MB


I was using an indoor white balance for these shots, which tints everything in blue.

 

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liambauckham  631 posts
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 2/6/06 10:23pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
cool effect

 

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GreytaleNovastar1138  1041 posts
Registered: Dec '05
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 2:26am Subject: RE: Digital Grading - Date Edited: 2/7/06 2:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: GreytaleNovastar1138
Ripley,

Regarding that original shot of Eamon's--you could always try adding "foreground" to your shot physically... place some false yet convincing shrubbery in the foreground just to give you some of the depth you're seeing in the "Lost" shots... if you look at the first three "Lost" shots that you provided (well actually ALL)... other than the post contrast/brightness, etc. effects that everyone gave which are really cool...

...you can see that all that Eamon's shot is really lacking--is "thick" foreground. This will help with that "cluttered" / "enclosed" feel.

 

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RIPLEY426  3617 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 6:37am Subject: RE: Digital Grading
Don't you think my shot was enclosed enough? I play around with "blury stuff in the foreground" in most of my shots, actually.

 

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ObiJuan2080  1937 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 11:43am Subject: RE: Digital Grading - Date Edited: 2/7/06 11:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: ObiJuan2080
Eamon posted:
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I'm not wondering about the LOST look here, just putting that out there, having said that; I really like the way this looks Eamon. I was looking for a way to give stills and/or clips that professional type grading look. Nice.

 

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Lord_Charisma  2465 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 11:52am Subject: RE: Digital Grading
Looking at the "lost" shots, my first thoughts are that you're going to need more blue too.

 

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ObiJuan2080  1937 posts
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 12:04pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading - Date Edited: 2/7/06 12:04pm (1 edits total) Edited By: ObiJuan2080
I know it's suppose to represent the LOST look but when I saw Darthness final pic, the first thing that popped into my head was "DREAM SEQUENCE EFFECT".

 

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Darthness  2000 posts
Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 2/7/06 12:13pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
ObiJuan2080 posted:
I know it's suppose to represent the LOST look but when I saw Darthness final pic, the first thing that popped into my head was "DREAM SEQUENCE EFFECT".


Could you please post the particuler pic of mine you're refferring to?

 

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Jans_Walker 
Registered: Aug '02
Date Posted: 2/7/06 12:28pm Subject: RE: Digital Grading
ObiJuan2080 posted:
I know it's suppose to represent the LOST look but when I saw Darthness final pic, the first thing that popped into my head was "DREAM SEQUENCE EFFECT".


Or a fairy forest. Dream sequences are overrated. wink

 
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