Author Topic: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
jmsbndgrl  1750 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 1:17pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I can tell you all that from a rebellion perspective I cannot help you on the writing as that is not my area of focus in the world of fan fiction, but I think I can offer a little advice to the overall process.

I am in agreement with RocketGirl that epic is not necessarily the way to go. I have written 3 epics, and have 2 as WIP at the moment. Epics have a tendency to go off in unexpected tangents which might not be a bad thing from a story perspective, but from a fanfilm perspective could be an issue. So narrowing down your focus for yourselves and any writers who come to help you is a key piece. At the same time you do not want to narrow down the story so much that you lose the chance to tell a story.

Also one thing to keep in mind is for a writer, anything is possible, but from your perspective I suspect you will have constraints as to what you can feasibly film, etc. Those will need to be defined for an author. Stories oftentimes take on their own lives, but if you set some basic criteria down at the beginning that can help keep things under control.

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 1:22pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Well, I still like my idea about someone who,during the backstory, stumbles upon the use of the Force--probably through a book or a holocron of some kind--but who falls to the dark side, ultimately becoming a Dark Jedi...and then this person joins the Rebellion, trains another Rebel, and they use their powers against the Empire. After all, what THEY'RE doing is feeding their bloodlust and anger, and possibly planning an overthrow of the Rebellion (which ultimately fails, as the best friend of the Rebel this Dark Jedi trains discovers what's been going on and stops them) once it has defeated the Empire... I love the irony of the Empire having it's hiney kicked by the Dark Side, I love the idea of someone trying to learn the Force on their own and it ultimately (inevitably) leading to the Dark Side without a proper teacher, and I like how it could fit into the GCW without breaking continuity too badly...

But that's just my personal preference, and not VERY doable, I think, with the resources and filming style we've got going on, here. Still...it's an idea.

 

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HyperionRising  294 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 1:30pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
That's an interesting idea. Got any idea who this person would be, ro how we could link them to the other character (Are they the same person? Friends? Former friends?)?

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 1:38pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
HyperionRising posted:
That's an interesting idea. Got any idea who this person would be, ro how we could link them to the other character (Are they the same person? Friends? Former friends?)?


Well, the way I figure it, this someone learns to use the Force off-camera. He figures it out from, as I say, a book, even constructs a lightsaber...and falls to the dark side.

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Alderaan has been destroyed. This guy who learns the Force is FROM Alderaan; there's your hook to bring him to the Dark Side, his anger over the destruction of his homeworld. He joins the Rebellion and finds another Alderaan survivor, with whom he reminisces about the place...and in whom he detects a strong connection to the Force. So he starts to train her, and uses her hatred of the Empire and her loss of Alderaan as a hook to keep her moving toward the Dark Side, to psyche her up each time they kill the Imperials...right up until the moment he decides she's ready and hands her a lightsaber. She ignites it, and the blade is red. (*cue goosebumps*)

Of course, the fact that Alderaan was a peaceful world would HAVE to be important, part of the conflict that helps bring them both the Dark Side, for example. But you get the basic idea.

I was going to use this as part of a sequel to my own fan film--and still may--but I think it's pretty unlikely I'll ever do more than one.

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 2:10pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/14/08 2:11pm (1 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
RocketGirl posted:
...someone who,during the backstory, stumbles upon the use of the Force...


Would you disapprove of that character being selfsame with the youngling who escaped the massacre at the temple? I could see that backstory as a worthy filming project in its own right...

I think the holochron idea is fairly played out. Is force-use impossible to learn without some ancient reference tome? Or is it all too easy and those without guidance, once they've discovered their potential, inevitably fall to darkness? Perhaps that is one of the Jedi order's original motivations: to collect and guide force-users so they do not become dangerous. In a galaxy without jedi, a sith is born every minute. (?) Wouldn't telekinesis or the mind trick happen by luck (or the will of the force...) often enough that someone might 'discover' the force for themselves? I can imagine a few vignettes in which we could show some nobody discovering their force powers, a little like Spiderman after the bite. Perhaps it is well known that such children are dangerous, and normally nobody in their clan objects to having the Jedi take them away, but without the Jedi...

 

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HyperionRising  294 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 2:14pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
This idea has potential if the guy is a lone vigilante: that way, we don't have Luke seeking him out or anything.

I'm starting to get an idea here.

What if, instead of focusing on the main Rebellion, we focus on splinter groups and independent dissidents from a variety of backgrounds, with a variety of methods from peaceful to horrific. We could have most of them getting killed off and the remaining ones meeting and joining the main Rebellion. I'm picturing something with a structure along the lines of "Syriana."

What do you guys think? It would allow us to show a wide variety of characters, and only a few groups of actors would need to get together to film the end.

 

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HyperionRising  294 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 2:21pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/14/08 2:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HyperionRising
drewjmore posted:
RocketGirl posted:
...someone who,during the backstory, stumbles upon the use of the Force...


Would you disapprove of that character being selfsame with the youngling who escaped the massacre at the temple? I could see that backstory as a worthy filming project in its own right...

I think the holochron idea is fairly played out. Is force-use impossible to learn without some ancient reference tome? Or is it all too easy and those without guidance, once they've discovered their potential, inevitably fall to darkness? Perhaps that is one of the Jedi order's original motivations: to collect and guide force-users so they do not become dangerous. In a galaxy without jedi, a sith is born every minute. (?) Wouldn't telekinesis or the mind trick happen by luck (or the will of the force...) often enough that someone might 'discover' the force for themselves? I can imagine a few vignettes in which we could show some nobody discovering their force powers, a little like Spiderman after the bite. Perhaps it is well known that such children are dangerous, and normally nobody in their clan objects to having the Jedi take them away, but without the Jedi...


A Sith born every minute? No. Being a Sith takes certain training. But a Dark Side Adept? Probably.

One thing to keep in mind: the Empire didn't just leave Force sensative children alone. Vader came for them himself.

We could also go the Corran Horn route. His father (though it wouldn't necessarily have to be a relative in the case of this character) had some, but not a lot, of Jedi training, and he taught Corran "games" that honed his Force skills without him realising it.

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 3:02pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
drewjmore posted:

Would you disapprove of that character being selfsame with the youngling who escaped the massacre at the temple? I could see that backstory as a worthy filming project in its own right...



...it would negate the Alderaan connection. And, honestly, I'd like to keep the Jedi and Sith, as organizations, out of this; it feels like doing too much, and I think there's been far too much "coming full circle" in Star Wars since the prequels. It seems as if everybody knows everybody, and even if they get separated for decades, they'll find each other again eventually; I'd like to see completely new characters who AREN'T coming back to their pasts...

drewjmore posted:

I think the holochron idea is fairly played out. Is force-use impossible to learn without some ancient reference tome? Or is it all too easy and those without guidance, once they've discovered their potential, inevitably fall to darkness?



Well, first, none of that happens on-screen.
Second...yes, I think so. For one thing, learning a skill like manipulating the Force is not exactly intuitive; you have to know HOW or you just do it accidentally. Learning by trial and error seems, to me, to be pretty difficult. Second, you even have to know the Force is THERE; without knowing there's something there to manipulate, you'll probably never do more than affect it accidentally. Third, this guy needs some way to know how to build a lightsaber; a holocron seems the way to go, if not a Jedi tech manual or something.

drewjmore posted:

In a galaxy without jedi, a sith is born every minute. (?)



Naw, I doubt that; without actually consciously using the Force, I don't think you can really succumb to the Dark side. I'm fairly certain that a person can be as evil as they like without becoming a Darksider...but the instant they use the Force with evil intent...

HyperionRising posted:
What if, instead of focusing on the main Rebellion, we focus on splinter groups and independent dissidents from a variety of backgrounds, with a variety of methods from peaceful to horrific. We could have most of them getting killed off and the remaining ones meeting and joining the main Rebellion. I'm picturing something with a structure along the lines of "Syriana."



Huh...funny that; I'm picturing Patriot Games, myself.

 

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HyperionRising  294 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 3:33pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Can't say I've seen that one.

 

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backdeskproductions  648 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 3:38pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Wow... I was just away for a couple hours and we're already a page and a half away from where I last posted! This is good news.


Anyways, I appreciate all of the story ideas, but it's getting that time to choose. We already know what era we're in... and I, personally, would appreciate it if we focused on all sides including the rebels, empire, pirates, black sun, lolly pop dudes from the Wizard of Oz... you name it. In order to get a lot of filmmakers involved, we must have a vast story which enables us to have a vast amount of characters.


-Rebellion begins to rise.
-Empire starts to hunt down and attack the rebel planets.
-Space Merchants turn pirates because of all of the oppression against them which comes from the Empire may it be taxes, physical abuse, boardings every 5 minutes...
-Some of the space pirates group together to form a type of blockade on a planet but fail miserably to imperial SD's.
-Vader, via hologram, orders the invasion of a specific world which may shelter former Jedi.
-Rebel groups try to protect old jedi.
-Rebels fail and Jedi dies.
-Rebel leaders learn of the terrible tragedy.
-Counter attack on imperial forces.
-Rebels need help.
-Space Pirates called into the atmosphere to provide air support.
-Imperials forced into retreat.
-Rebels learn of an important document on a neighboring world which holds the plans to an armored space station. (it would be the old hologram projector Count Dooku had the death star plans on)
-Rebels steal the plans somehow...

I'm just throwin stuff out there... use everything we got! Make a series/movie.

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 3:44pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
HyperionRising posted:
Can't say I've seen that one.


It's about a splinter group of the IRA that fights the battles their own ultraviolent way...

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1567 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 4:49pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/14/08 4:56pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DVCPRO-HDeditor
Here are the ideas that I'm fond of thus far:

RocketGirl posted:
I love the irony of the Empire having it's hiney kicked by the Dark Side, I love the idea of someone trying to learn the Force on their own and it ultimately (inevitably) leading to the Dark Side without a proper teacher, and I like how it could fit into the GCW without breaking continuity too badly...

I'll agree that could make one solid aspect to the story. I also love the irony of RocketGirl being the one to suggest a Force-centric plot element.

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Jedsithor posted:
Having gotten rid of his lightsaber to avoid any outward signs of his Jedi-status, our hero finds himself living a new life with a poor, but kind family, even falling in love as the ways of the Jedi Code become a distant memory.

But when he is recognised by a former Republic diplomat turned imperial propagandist, he can only watch in horror as Imperial troops drag the ones he has grown to care about on to the street, executing them in public for being jedi sympathisers and traitors. So he's forced to run, across the city with a blaster on his hip and the Force as his ally as Imperial troops descend on him.

This, too, could make for a solid tale. At the very least, the notion of a Jedi who had given up his 'saber and the Code is now forced into battle against the Empire. Powerful stuff.

DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
An independent freighter captain (y'know, a smuggler) whose father fought in the Clone Wars on the side of the CIS. She grew up hating the Republic-turned-Empire, and as such stays as far away from the Empire as possible. She might be human, but maybe not - a female alien freighter captain would certainly have an interesting perspective on Imperial activities and the likely success of a Rebellion.

Yes, that's right, I'm in love with my own idea. Deal with it! cool

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 5:01pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:

I'll agree that could make one solid aspect to the story. I also love the irony of RocketGirl being the one to suggest a Force-centric plot element.



I don't know how many times I can say it...I love the Force, I just think it's gotten a disproportionate amount of attention in fan films of late.

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1567 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 6:13pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/14/08 6:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DVCPRO-HDeditor
Yeah, I know . . . . sorry if that was mildly offensive, but I'd come back to this thread from that one with you and DMScotty going back and forth.

EDIT: Anyway, on with the storyline discussion . . . . grin

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/08 6:16pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
Yeah, I know . . . . sorry if that was mildly offensive...


Naw, it wasn't offensive so much as frustrating; I'm just sick of having to explain that to people.

 

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