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MasterZap  4502 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 11:49am Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
DorkmanScott posted:
He's getting it from where I and Brian noted that it was only many years after first watching it that we realized it was a comedy.

Zap, if you listen to the context of the conversation, the group of people that doesn't recognize it as a comedy right off the bat is generally referred to as "toddlers." And I don't mean intellectually, I mean literally three years old.


Well, I have to be a bit like Trey (judging from his reaction); man... people who were toddlers in 1984, surely, these people are still in diapers, aren't they? wink

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FX_guy  950 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 12:09pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS - Date Edited: 4/28 12:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: FX_guy
MasterZap posted:
Well, I have to be a bit like Trey (judging from his reaction)
Yes, I was genuinely shocked to discover I was talking to someone who was one year old when Ghostbusters debuted.

My lawn, get off it.

 

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Teague  933 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 12:12pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
This always comes up with me and people at work. I work with folks who are mostly ten or fifteen years older than me (and sometimes have to work to keep up with my stuff, I might humbly add), and they love to bring up how young I am.

I love to bring up how I can literally eat delicious fast food and drink soda all day long and suffer zero bodily consequences - and in fact, look fabulous.

That shuts 'em up.

(Anyone who can testify that I do not look fabulous, leave this thread now.)

 

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DorkmanScott  13953 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 12:14pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Fun fact: Fig does not dye his hair. He's just always bleeding from the scalp due to poor nutrition.

 

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Teague  933 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 12:15pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Actually, yeah, I'm like the least healthful person I know. I suffer consequences left and right.

But they don't see my kidney stones and lymph infections, so !@$& 'em.

 

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elemental_fantasy  1211 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 7:11pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
^^ lol...

The GB commentary was okay... but not as insightful as the actual GB commentary track.

TPM was great cause you guys knocked the s*** out of it. Rightfully so...
I would actually PAY for an episode 2 and 3 commentary from you guys. Any chance you'll make those commentary tracks? praying

 

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Teague  933 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 7:30pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Definitely.

 

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FX_guy  950 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 7:42pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
elemental_fantasy posted:
The GB commentary was okay... but not as insightful as the actual GB commentary track.
If it's insight you want, then yes - the actual makers of the film are probably gonna be better at that. We're the drink-hard-lemonade-and-yell-random-stuff guys.

elemental_fantasy posted:
I would actually PAY for an episode 2 and 3 commentary from you guys. Any chance you'll make those commentary tracks? praying
I had hoped never to have to watch those two flicks again in this lifetime.

But if there's money in it, then hmmm. How much pay we talking here? thinking

 

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Lrd_Radon  77 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 10:45pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
After listening to your commentary for Starship Troopers, I couldn't help wondering if any of you guys noticed the myriad similarities between this movie and the video game Starcraft. For one, Starcraft is largely about humanity's fight against a race of genetically mutated crab/bug like creatures called the Zerg. This fight takes place across many planets employing, among other things, marines in power suits. The Zerg, like the Bugs, have the power to take knowledge from the humans they capture. The Zerg also have an Overmind as their unifying, telepathic "leader". I just thought it was interesting that Starcraft seemed to take so much from the lore of this story. That is, unless many of the elements of this story are considered to be among the standard tropes of sci-fi.

 

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Lord_Charisma  2465 posts
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Date Posted: 4/28 11:28pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Lrd_Radon posted:
After listening to your commentary for Starship Troopers, I couldn't help wondering if any of you guys noticed the myriad similarities between this movie and the video game Starcraft. For one, Starcraft is largely about humanity's fight against a race of genetically mutated crab/bug like creatures called the Zerg. This fight takes place across many planets employing, among other things, marines in power suits. The Zerg, like the Bugs, have the power to take knowledge from the humans they capture. The Zerg also have an Overmind as their unifying, telepathic "leader". I just thought it was interesting that Starcraft seemed to take so much from the lore of this story. That is, unless many of the elements of this story are considered to be among the standard tropes of sci-fi.


Meh. It's a common sci-fi setup. Starcraft stole mercilessly from Warhammer 40k.

 

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Spiderfan  10000 posts
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Date Posted: 4/29 11:20am Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Glad to see you guys are back in one form or another. Loved each commentary, but especially love anything GB.

Its a shame these aren't done live via talkshoe anymore (I understand why) as I would have loved to chime in many times to add my own two cents. tongue Probably exactly why you guys dropped the interactive portion.

But like the fanboy I am I still need feel the need to address something from the commentary.

Trey's major beef with GB2 seems to be that it depended on the premise that no one believes in Ghosts anymore and how can that be after everything occurred in the first film. Well how can people still think that the moon landings or 9/11 were faked? Most of the incidents in the film were individual hauntings with a few eye witnesses (there are "eyewitnesses" to Big Foot, UFOs and Nessie). Much of the climax occured on a roof top out of sight, and from the ground looked like a lot of expensive loud pyrotechnics. And lets not forget that there is an agency determined to discredit and unmask the Ghostbusters as frauds, who successfully get a C&D against the GBs, and are followed by many other agencies who claim the GBs are responsible for the disaster and sue them. The only thing that would credibly work in the Ghostbusters favor and diminish all doubts would be Stay Puft.

Simply put it seems entirely plausible that most of New York would believe they are fakes. Yes there would certainly be those that do believe (the crowd of people standing outside Central Park West) but would likely be called crazies and lumped in with the Big Foot eyewitnesses.

I certainly agree that GB2 had its share of problems (namely the issue Michael addressed about the production team hijacking the script) but I don't agree that this is one of them.

 

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EagleIFilms  8746 posts
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Date Posted: 5/2 10:59pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
Spiderfan posted:
Trey's major beef with GB2 seems to be that it depended on the premise that no one believes in Ghosts anymore and how can that be after everything occurred in the first film. Well how can people still think that the moon landings or 9/11 were faked? Most of the incidents in the film were individual hauntings with a few eye witnesses (there are "eyewitnesses" to Big Foot, UFOs and Nessie). Much of the climax occured on a roof top out of sight, and from the ground looked like a lot of expensive loud pyrotechnics.


What on EARTH are you talking about? The Ghostbusters ran a successful, famous business for months, catching ghosts all around the city. Then, there was a HUGE supernatural occurrence in the middle of the city, and a GIANT MARSHMALLOW MAN walked through the streets.

In the next movie, no one believes in ghosts.

You don't see the problem here?

You think that a tiny, insignificant number of crazies believing the lunar landings were faked is ANYWHERE similar to an entire world refusing to believe in something that was witnessed and caught on film and videotaped by hundreds of people?

 

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Spiderfan  10000 posts
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Date Posted: 5/4 5:59am Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS
EagleIFilms posted:
Spiderfan posted:
Trey's major beef with GB2 seems to be that it depended on the premise that no one believes in Ghosts anymore and how can that be after everything occurred in the first film. Well how can people still think that the moon landings or 9/11 were faked? Most of the incidents in the film were individual hauntings with a few eye witnesses (there are "eyewitnesses" to Big Foot, UFOs and Nessie). Much of the climax occured on a roof top out of sight, and from the ground looked like a lot of expensive loud pyrotechnics.


What on EARTH are you talking about? The Ghostbusters ran a successful, famous business for months, catching ghosts all around the city. Then, there was a HUGE supernatural occurrence in the middle of the city, and a GIANT MARSHMALLOW MAN walked through the streets.

In the next movie, no one believes in ghosts.

You don't see the problem here?

You think that a tiny, insignificant number of crazies believing the lunar landings were faked is ANYWHERE similar to an entire world refusing to believe in something that was witnessed and caught on film and videotaped by hundreds of people?

All of which was explained as staged events using "sense and nerve gasses" to create hallucinations (the ghosts) and "fake electronic lightshow" that the Ghostbusters created to con people out of their money. They were subsequently sued by "every agency in the City, County and State" and their cease and desist was maintained. The supernatural occurrences mostly consisted of few eye witnesses (easily brushed off as crazies), with only the climax taking place in front of hundreds of people, much of which was a pyrotechnics show on the roof of huge metropolitian apartment building far out of sight.

As I stated the Marshmellow man was the only thing the EPA and other agencies couldn't easily otherwise explain.

Furthermore the second film doesn't establish that no one believes in Ghosts, simply that the majority was largely apathetic.

 

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AdamBertocci  19889 posts
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Date Posted: 5/4 7:57am Subject: Down in Front: This week, GHOSTBUSTERS - Date Edited: 5/4 7:59am (1 edits total) Edited By: AdamBertocci
I absolutely cannot believe I am getting involved in this discussion, but:

"Ghostbusters II" does NOT deal with the notion of people not believing in ghosts.

The problem at the beginning of the film is that they've put themselves out of business because after the Gozer incident the ghosts stopped surfacing. There haven't been enough incidents to keep going, particularly with a stream of lawsuits to clear up, and they've packed up and gone their separate ways.


There are four obstacles in their way who, it can be argued, have difficulty believing them.

(1) The judge character. We KNOW he doesn't believe in ghosts. Guess what. He's a jerk and it's played for comedy.
(2) The prosecutor character. Well, we don't actually know her personal convictions, but still.

Remember, they're not on trial because ghosts don't exist. They're on trial for tearing a hole in the middle of the street, for posing as Con Ed men and for violating a court order telling them not to do paranormal investigation stuff. Even if the judge and the prosecutor both believed in ghosts, that still doesn't establish the legality of digging a hole in First Avenue.

(3) The Mayor. He's a problem. The problem here is, he doesn't really have anything to offer them. He gives them an audience, he listens to their story, and (rightfully) asks: well, what am I supposed to do about it? Maybe you have to be a New Yorker to understand the beauty of the line "Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God-given right." He probably could have afforded to keep them around a little longer, but also, he's not the one who locks them in the ward.
(4) Hardemeyer (Kurt Fuller, the mayor's assistant). Again, he's a jerk.
Remember: by the middle of the movie, there really ARE ghosts all over town. He pulls a few strings and has the Ghostbusters thrown in a psychiatric ward anyway. It's not because he doesn't believe in ghosts, it's because he's a slimeball looking to move a political football. He doesn't want the mayor involved with the guys who became a liability. He pushes that point even in the face of certain destruction (witness his behavior in the scene where the Mayor decides they have to call the Ghostbusters).

The plotline here isn't "The Exorcist", getting people to believe, it's more like "The Incredibles": society punishes its heroes. The entire point is that five years ago the guys saved the world, and their reward for it was the bill for cleaning up Central Park West and few lawsuits.

Which is part of why the credits end with them getting the key to the city under the restored Statue of Liberty. (Heaven knows how they got it to back in place, but.) The city is a happier, mellower place, and the Mayor figures, you know what, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.


Ghostbusters II has its problems, many problems, but this ain't one of them.



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Date Posted: 5/4 10:12am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
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