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elemental_fantasy Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 5/4 11:10am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	^ I'll have to watch that one tonight.
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VaporTrail Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/4 12:27pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX - Date Edited: 5/4 1:33pm (5 edits total) Edited By: VaporTrail
	Adam, you raise a valid point. However... AdamBertocci posted: I absolutely cannot believe it took me this long to gett involved in this discussion Fixed. Ugh. And you. Californians. You guys couldn't have moved that podcast to Thursday? While I was there? For the MATRIX?!? Man, did we spend Wednesday doing the wrong thing. Downloading. I forgot that was the topic this week, but it's funny cuz I picked up both Matrix video games for uber-cheap just yesterday with some leftover scrap during a trade-in. 'Tis the season. The clerk mentioned to me "Did you hear they're making a fourth one?", and we had a mini-discussion about how Neo might not actually be dead... but a quick Google search provides no proof of his claim from any later than 2004. [shrug] EDIT: Funny, you guys mentioning first bullettimes. I haven't seen the GAP commercial in question, but I did see both Lost in Space, which featured a freezetime with characters shifted around digitally to appear in motion, and then Wing Commander which came out just weeks before The Matrix, had a a more bullettime-like freezetime, except I believe the cameras all took their pictures at the same time, instead of in sequence to allow motion. EDIT 2: Oh, this is going to happen a lot today. I'm basically sitting here listening to this... my DVDs are already packed and ready for transit. Anyway... you guys forgot about Speed. That would probably be Keanu Reeves' "Die Hard", as you put it. Matrix certainly made him action superstar, but it wasn't his first time or anything. Anyway. Carrying on. -----signature----- Fanfilmers shoot first and talk copyright later. http://www.vimeo.com/vaportrail/videos http://thespenceleyspoileriffic.blogspot.com/
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Teague Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 5/4 12:51pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	Out of curiosity, how do all of you access the show? Do you live download off of the site, or stream from the posts, or are you subscribed in iTunes? -----signature----- Teague "Fig" Chrystie Hollywood, CA http://www.downinfront.net http://twitter.com/TeagueChrystie
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tumblemoster Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 5/4 2:07pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	I've downloaded a few, but I haven't had any time to watch! Best I did was 10 minutes of the first one. You should do up a couple of short films for us short attention span theater types. -----signature----- http://www.tumblemonster.com http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1984394/ http://www.youtube.com/tumblemonster http://twitter.com/tumblemonster
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VaporTrail Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/4 3:58pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	On that note, I submit the Killer Bean series. -----signature----- Fanfilmers shoot first and talk copyright later. http://www.vimeo.com/vaportrail/videos http://thespenceleyspoileriffic.blogspot.com/
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EagleIFilms Title: Retired Chapter Rep Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 5/5 5:12am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	For the record, it's been years since I saw GBII, I was simply taking Trey and spider's statements that the plot revolved around 'nobody believing in ghosts' at face value. I certainly disagree with Trey on other things (everything?), so it's entirely possible he was quite wrong here as well. -----signature----- I review Japanese candy and snacks! http://pockywatch.com
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Black_Chameleon Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 5/5 6:19am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	VaporTrail posted: On that note, I submit the Killer Bean series. Killer Bean has moves. -----signature----- ' http://www.thechameleoninn.com A video TOTALLY about BADMINTON: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQzN1oGqpg&fmt=6 DUCK HUNT: The Movie! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMc5BMRVqP8&fmt=6 Much Much More! http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=BlackChame
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elemental_fantasy Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 5/5 12:43pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	I saw some parts of the matrix comm. It's pretty good. Although... Bullet Time has been around for a while. It wasn't first used with the Matrix. I remember this crappy movie called Wing Commander, that was the first I saw bullet time. I remember I went to see Wing Commander just to see the teaser trailer for Episode 1 in theaters. They also showed it in the trailer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQC9MdupzPo - 48 secs. It's funny that it was such a crappy movie that nobody ties that great effect with it.
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Teague Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 5/5 1:02pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	Yep. We say explicitly in the commentary that bullet-time existed before The Matrix. Hadn't seen Wing Commander, though. -----signature----- Teague "Fig" Chrystie Hollywood, CA http://www.downinfront.net http://twitter.com/TeagueChrystie
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elemental_fantasy Registered: Mar '06	Date Posted: 5/5 1:53pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	Teague posted: We say explicitly in the commentary that bullet-time existed before The Matrix. lol no... I remember explicitly in the commentary Mike Scott saying the first time they had done bullet time was in the Matrix. I loved... "films should start a discussion, not be one."
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FX_guy Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 5/5 2:12pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	"Bullet time" yes, since it was The Matrix that led to that phrase being used. But "frozen time" was used in the earlier projects that were mentioned. The technique is the almost the same, except in frozen time the cameras in the array all fire at once, so you can simulate a camera move around a single moment. The Matrix upgrade that has become known as "bullet time" was triggering the cameras in rapid sequence rather than all at once. So time doesn't completely freeze, just slows down tremendously during the virtual camera move. -----signature----- http://www.pinkfive.com Morbid and creepifyin' I got no problem with.
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tumblemoster Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 5/6 3:12pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	I think Speed was Keanu's Die Hard. Matrix was more like his comeback. -----signature----- http://www.tumblemonster.com http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1984394/ http://www.youtube.com/tumblemonster http://twitter.com/tumblemonster
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VaporTrail Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 5/6 8:22pm Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX - Date Edited: 5/6 8:25pm (2 edits total) Edited By: VaporTrail
	FX_guy posted: "Bullet time" yes, since it was The Matrix that led to that phrase being used. But "frozen time" was used in the earlier projects that were mentioned. The technique is the almost the same, except in frozen time the cameras in the array all fire at once, so you can simulate a camera move around a single moment. The Matrix upgrade that has become known as "bullet time" was triggering the cameras in rapid sequence rather than all at once. So time doesn't completely freeze, just slows down tremendously during the virtual camera move. Beat me to it. Wing Commander came out just a few weeks before the Matrix, and the Matrix's shots are so much more hardcore. I think considering they basically had the same technology but came out with drastically different results (the Wing Commander shots don't even flow into the edit that well) speaks to the minds of the effects folks on the Matrix. Then again, I don't think Wing Commander really took itself that seriously to begin with. It's got some AMAZING space action though, and if the Prinze Jr./Lillard bit don't irk you, is worth seeing. The Lost in Space remake also did an early version of freeze-time, but I think it was done with compositing over backgrounds that were either digital or shot in freeze-time. The characters move around, but they look like shifting and free-floating still images. WC basically ripped off this scene for their freeze-time (they also used it for their hyperspace jump), but their multi-camera method sells it a lot better. -----signature----- Fanfilmers shoot first and talk copyright later. http://www.vimeo.com/vaportrail/videos http://thespenceleyspoileriffic.blogspot.com/
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Laszlo Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 5/7 5:26am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	Boy have you got it all wrong... First instance of ‘bullet time’ as such that I’ve ever seen was in the old time traveling film Trancers. In it the guy uses (only once) a device to slow time down to a crawl to avoid getting himself and his girl getting shot. You see a bullet slowly go by as the time cop, or whatever he was, escape in slow mo fashion, which always made me think that rather than Hiro-style time freezing, his perceptions where hyper-accelerated. Because Trancers also had future people ‘downloading their brains into the past’ it seemed both a precursor to Quantum Leap and later The Matrix. -----signature----- Tactical Film Maker http://www.key-pixel.com
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Teague Registered: Apr '06	Date Posted: 5/11 10:44am Subject: Down in Front: This week, THE MATRIX
	Star Trek VI: Undiscovered Country Enjoy. Also, we have a small local forum set up now that's in beta, just getting everything set up for the day a few weeks from now when we try to get the entire internet on board for the show. Until then, if any of you folks who have been active in this thread want to head over, kick out a user name, and argue there, we'd be much obliged. -----signature----- Teague "Fig" Chrystie Hollywood, CA http://www.downinfront.net http://twitter.com/TeagueChrystie
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