Author Topic: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" (please, please, please, please...?)
drewjmore  678 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 4/29 8:14pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" (please, please, please, please...?) - Date Edited: 10/6 6:23am (4 edits total) Edited By: Saintheart
Back in 2004 a very nice fan film was shot in Western Australia by TF.N member Saintheart and a crew of like minded so-and-so's.
Their production thread is still up here.

After numerous false starts, I've stepped up to help get the VFX into shape so this thing can be released, and finally justify the many many hours and dollars put into this film.
I've put in some more of my spare time knocking together a web site that will help focus the effort,
it's http://swknighthood.freeforums.org/ and
you can log in as "tfnuser" with "tfnuser" as the PW to look around-- read only.
If you're interested in helping out, register yourself and I'll set you up with full access.

All told we're talking about 6 minutes of rotoscoped footage, most of that with just one of two blades, but
around 2 minutes has a massive 6 on 2 fight that just has to be seen.
The female lead is an actual fencing champion, for one thing.



!! Thanks in advance !!

drew

 

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elemental_fantasy  1211 posts
Registered: Mar '06
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Date Posted: 4/29 8:44pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
Thats a LOT of roto work there...

I saw some of this Knighthood on your deviant page, looks pretty cool. I'll help out a bit on a few shots for you, as long as you except windows formate.

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 4/30 5:28am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 4/30 6:51am (2 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
elemental_fantasy posted:
Thats a LOT of roto work there...

I saw some of this Knighthood on your deviant page, looks pretty cool. I'll help out a bit on a few shots for you, as long as you except windows formate.


Yeah, no joke, 6 minutes is forever in roto time.
I'm on windows, so no problem there.

I'll check to see if you've registered at the free site, and grant you project access.

Thanks for stepping up!!

 

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Vidina  3012 posts
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 4/30 11:57am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
I'll help out on some tricky bits, if you want to. I'll provide the shots on black backgrounds, as png sequences. They're lossless, and will dampen the rendertime on both parts. I highly recommend you to render png sequences too, Cassidy.

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 4/30 12:45pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 4/30 12:49pm (1 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
Vidina posted:
I'll help out on some tricky bits, if you want to. I'll provide the shots on black backgrounds, as png sequences. They're lossless, and will dampen the rendertime on both parts. I highly recommend you to render png sequences too, Cassidy.


I've registered you at swknighthood.freeforums.org as Vidina.
Check your gmail account for your registration confirmation and password.
PNG's will work fine for return to me.
Can you (as in: are you able to) download and use the MP4/quicktimes I've put up in my Vimeo account?

e_f, I can register you as well, but I need your email address.
No spamming, stalking or pranks, I promise! angel

Actually anyone with a valid e-mail address can also just register themselves.
The trick is that I have to add you to the working group,
that's how I'm controlling access to the nitty-gritty parts.

 

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Saintheart  7359 posts
Title: RPF Manager/Kensai Emeritus
Registered: Dec '00
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Date Posted: 4/30 8:22pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
May I say thanks for coming on board, guys, and thanks in anticipation to anyone who opts to help out from this point on as well. I've been working on this fanfilm for a good five years now, and VFX is the biggest remaining obstacle to getting it all finished. So any help the community might be able to offer is very much welcome. happy

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 8/20 9:12am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 8/20 9:26am (2 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
UPDATE!!!!

Three saber-roto sequences are nearly complete, and with some minor tragedies with the first group of volunteers there are still a number of shots in need of rotoscoping. Please help if you can, e-mail me at drewjmore@yahoo.com or reply below.



Act 1, Scene 1: Training Room http://www.vimeo.com/4095674
Marr Kell practices on drones and against his master
33 seconds, single blade with ignition, second blade comes in halfway for duel.

Act 1, Scene 5: Ortuun http://www.vimeo.com/4095249
Marr Kell and Kira uncover foul play, and a brief fight ensues.
12 seconds, 2-blades ignitions and a lock, close quarters

FYI-- The following 3 "Large Fight" Shots will be graded day-for-night:
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight A http://www.vimeo.com/4096181
The first wave of Selayus' henchmen ambush M and K.
1:31, about 20 seconds of quick action with up to 7 or 8 blades, followed by 2 unmoving ignited blades intercuting with dialog.

Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight B http://www.vimeo.com/4119025
5 Henchmen reveal themselves, posture and attack
6 fighters against 2
1:28 long

Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight C http://www.vimeo.com/4096185
29 seconds, 2 heros finsh off Selayus

FYI-- These final three shots will be graded more gently, more or less as-shot:
Act 3, Scene 1: Kintao A http://www.vimeo.com/4098012
They are betrayed and Kira is run-through by Kintao.
7 seconds, no prop blade.
Should probably start at the last frame and work backwards to get the exit wound position to be convincing.

Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao B http://www.vimeo.com/4119047
Kinao and Marr Kell fight to the death, Marr Kell is wounded.
58 seconds, 2 short blades, 1 regular
One saber-lock has been reimagined as a slo-mo (watch it here) the rest of the sequence still needs roto.

Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao C http://www.vimeo.com/4119053
Marr Kell has force-healed himself to avenge Kira.
Final duel.
1:35

 

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DK_Force85  3688 posts
Registered: Apr '06
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Date Posted: 8/20 9:36am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
PM me the password and I'll help you out.

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
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Date Posted: 8/20 10:03am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 8/20 10:14am (2 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
DK_Force85 posted:
PM me the password and I'll help you out.


Oh, yeah. The vimeo files are pw-protected...sorry.

I'll PM you DK_Force85, and anyone else who chimes in.


<edit>

Also, you should be able to download the original upload files from Vimeo, but if that gives you any trouble just let me know and I'll put the raw footage up on filefront.

 

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Saintheart  7359 posts
Title: RPF Manager/Kensai Emeritus
Registered: Dec '00
48506_Rahm Kota (52409)
Date Posted: 8/28 3:14am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
Once again, any help would be most welcome. I feel as if the end, at least, is in sight for this lengthy project and I'm anxious to get it done... grin

 

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madhorizons  927 posts
Registered: May '06
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Date Posted: 8/28 8:38am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
How are you doing your received footage? Cores on black, full render w/ color & glow, what?

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
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Date Posted: 8/28 9:26am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
madhorizons posted:
How are you doing your received footage? Cores on black, full render w/ color & glow, what?

I'm pretty flexible on that, truth be told. Also depends on your level of commitment: how much time/effort can you offer?

For some shots, I'd rather have the AE files so I can tweak things later, but for the straight stick-bashing just the cores is plenty-- Core on black, we'll run the blurs & glows with all the same settings, then colorize and combine those as separate layers. PNG image sequences have been suggested, but high-Q jpegs or h264 clips would probably work just fine.

I just re-uploaded several files to my Vimeo, so there is a 5 or 6 day window now for grabbing useable .movs.

Kintao duel part 1- Vidina?
Kintao duel part 2-
Kintao duel part 3-
password for all of the above is: aulfrey

Filefront link to Large Fight part 1-

DK_Force85 has first choice of those last three, and Vidina hasn't officially started on the "Kintao Part 1" clip yet, AFAIK.

 

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BruceM  1796 posts
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Date Posted: 8/28 11:39am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood"
I can probably do the training room scene and/or the Act1:Scene 5 Ortuun scene. What version of After Effects do you have. I have CS4, so if you have an older version, i'll have to send you cores, but if you have CS4, I can just send you the AEP file

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
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Date Posted: 8/28 2:15pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 8/28 3:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
BruceM posted:
I can probably do the training room scene and/or the Act1:Scene 5 Ortuun scene. What version of After Effects do you have. I have CS4, so if you have an older version, i'll have to send you cores, but if you have CS4, I can just send you the AEP file
files uploading
net too slow to type...

...later, after the commute home...

Training Room

Ortuun

again, pw= aulfrey

I have CS2 at home, but have access to CS4 when needed, so the AEP files should be fine-- and of course much easier to up/download.

Awesome to have your help!!
Thanks!

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
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Date Posted: 9/4 8:01am Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 9/4 8:05am (1 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
Still going strong on this, folks!
Here's a current list of who's rotoscoping which shots.
I'll be PMing these folks to check progress.
After that I'll re-assign any shots that need more help!!

Shot name ==> TF.Ner's name

Act 1, Scene 1: Training Room ==> BruceM

Act 1, Scene 5: Ortuun ==> BruceM

Act 1, Scene : Hangar 1138 ==> Elemental_Fantasy

Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight A ==> DK_Force85
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight B ==> volunteer please?
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight C ==> volunteer please?

Act 3, Scene 1: Kintao A ==> Vidina
Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao B ==> DK_Force85
Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao C ==> DK_Force85

Also, due to circumstances...
Re-posting one of the absolute coolest shots in the film:
Act 2 Scene 3: Markell attacked by Drones on Beach ==> volunteer please?

 

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drewjmore  678 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 9/5 12:38pm Subject: Rotoscopers, help finish "Knighthood" - Date Edited: 9/5 12:46pm (2 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
Update:

Act 1, Scene 1: Training Room ==> BruceM

Act 1, Scene 5: Ortuun ==> BruceM

Act 1, Scene 8: Hangar 1138 ==> Elemental_Fantasy

Act 2, Scene 2: Selayus' Introduction ==> Done
Act 2 Scene 3: Markell attacked by Drones on Beach ==> volunteer please?
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight A ==> DK_Force85
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight B ==> volunteer please?
Act 2, Scene 6: Large Fight C ==> volunteer please?

Act 3, Scene 1: Kintao A ==> Done
Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao B ==> DK_Force85
Act 3, Scene 2: Kintao C ==> DK_Force85


Next update will be after next weekend, we should have quite a few newly finished shots!!!

 

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