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rpvee  498 posts
Registered: Feb '07
40097_Naboo Funeral
Date Posted: 10/20 1:47pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
This was hard to make! Used with Windows Movie Maker, Movie Maker only provides one extra audio/music track at a time (along with the current clip's built-in audio). Therefore, I couldn't have voiceovers and music at once if I put the audio together in Movie Maker. So, I created this entire trailer with audio only in Audacity, basing the music, dialouge, and sound effects on the images planned in my head. When all of that was done hours later, I imported the finished audio into Movie Maker as the music track, and then fit all of the footage to it (including the dialouge!). I did my best to quiet the music in the original clips (with the exception of Qui-Gon's death music and the first war drums during the first Jedi Starfighter scene).

I am very happy with the final result. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bMqw4ZQY0w

 

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VaporTrail  9980 posts
Registered: May '02
14913_Obi-Wan
Date Posted: 10/20 2:32pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
A little rough around the edges, but not too bad.

 

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burkevader  165 posts
Registered: Jun '08
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Date Posted: 10/20 4:39pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
At first I was skeptical and asked myself why we need a trailer years after the movies release.....but after watching I was pumped. Good job! Nice editing seeing as how you used that program...I know it sucks....but your trailer did not!

 

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AidanOnasi  219 posts
Registered: Jul '05
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Date Posted: 10/21 1:31am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
The method you used was surely difficult and crude, you however managed to make a decent music video. But id really recommend to get a better software next time, even cheap ones will definitely improve your work a lot!

 

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Evil-Henchman  2384 posts
Registered: Jul '04
6614_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 10/21 2:02am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
Pretty cool video. Well made considering the software you used (next time, try VirtualDub... it's free). However, prepare to have your link removed and/or this thread locked. Posting footage from the Star Wars films is against the T.o.S.

 

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bgii_2000  2616 posts
Registered: Jan '05
14744_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 10/21 2:30am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 10/21 2:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: bgii_2000
An interesting excercise, fairly well executed. However, it's a bit long for a trailer, and pretty much gives the whole movie away, so I'd say it's more like a summary, than a trailer. Also, the footage you used has been stretched horizontal so that it is 3% wider than it should be.

Evil, I have a hard time seeing how using Virtual-Dub is going to improve his cutting; it's the digital equivalent of a movieola.

 

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rpvee  498 posts
Registered: Feb '07
40097_Naboo Funeral
Date Posted: 10/21 3:54am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
bgii_2000 posted:
An interesting excercise, fairly well executed. However, it's a bit long for a trailer, and pretty much gives the whole movie away, so I'd say it's more like a summary, than a trailer. Also, the footage you used has been stretched horizontal so that it is 3% wider than it should be.


Well yeah, it is a bit long, and it obviously does give the movie away, but that's kind of what I was aiming for, in a way. It's kind of hard to explain.

And a shame the thread needs to be locked, if that's really needed. Sorry. sad

 

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halibut  26825 posts
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Date Posted: 10/21 4:34am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
Evil-Henchman posted:
However, prepare to have your link removed and/or this thread locked. Posting footage from the Star Wars films is against the T.o.S.


I've never understood where that comes from. I don't recall seeing it in the TOS and I've seen countless fan trailers left alone.

 

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Evil-Henchman  2384 posts
Registered: Jul '04
6614_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 10/21 12:11pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 10/21 12:22pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Evil-Henchman
bgii_2000 posted:
Evil, I have a hard time seeing how using Virtual-Dub is going to improve his cutting; it's the digital equivalent of a movieola.


I have used virtualDub... a lot... a lot-a lot. It is an extremely well made program and can do a lot of the stuff that the "big boys" can. I prefer using it to AE when applicable and as far as Premiere goes, I don't even use it anymore. Premiere is practically worthless IMHO. So for me, personally, VirtualDub FTW.


halibut posted:
Evil-Henchman posted:
However, prepare to have your link removed and/or this thread locked. Posting footage from the Star Wars films is against the T.o.S.


I've never understood where that comes from. I don't recall seeing it in the TOS and I've seen countless fan trailers left alone.


Perhaps it is not in the T.o.S. However I have seen that particular thing enforced many times on this forum by the mods. I believe it stems from fear of Uncle George's lawyers bringing down their wrath onto the TFN forums, due to a violation of copyright laws. Personally I think they would just go after the poster on youtube and leave TFN alone... but some people are paranoid. wink

Also... I think that maybe it's just youtube (and possibly vimeo) that we can't post links to copyrighted Star Wars footage. In other words, other sights, like ones where you have to download the video to your computer before watching, might be allowed here.

 

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Teague  939 posts
Registered: Apr '06
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Date Posted: 10/21 1:08pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
That was a cool little thing. Nice work.

 

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bgii_2000  2616 posts
Registered: Jan '05
14744_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 11/5 12:58pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer!
OK, I'm really confused. You use VirtualDub instead of an NLE? Why?

 

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Evil-Henchman  2384 posts
Registered: Jul '04
6614_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 11/5 8:34pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 11/5 8:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Evil-Henchman
bgii_2000 posted:
OK, I'm really confused. You use VirtualDub instead of an NLE? Why?


Apparently you havn't played with VirtualDub much. VDub is an NLE. Mind you it's only for AVIs (and some MPG codecs). However I prefer AVI's to QuickTime formats. Also, I admit it can be a pain to add a lot of clips together in VDub as VDub requires them to be the exact same frame rate. When I say exact, I mean it... like to the 10th decimal point or more. I bypass that by converting the framerate in the header of the AVI file (without recompressing) to an exact number using Ulead Media Studio Pro's video editor program.

Here's the thing though, I rarely have to add multiple clips together when editing. I mostly use VDub to remove sections of one video file, to split up a video file, to convert an MPG to AVI, fix aspect ratios, deinterlace and to convert DVD VOBs to AVIs (Using VirtualDubMod with the AC3ACM plug-in).

If I find myself unable to do what I need to do in VDub, I fire up AE (or QuickTime Pro... when applicable).

 

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bgii_2000  2616 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6 1:03am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 11/6 1:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: bgii_2000
'NLE' stands for 'Non-Linear Editor'. VirtualDub is not an NLE. I quote from their site:

VirtualDub Website posted:
It lacks the editing power of a general-purpose editor such as Adobe Premiere, but is streamlined for fast linear operations over video.


I suppose if you rarely have to add multiple clips together, one could get away with using it. I've always seen VirtualDub as an encoding/processing platform, not a useful editing suite.

 

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Evil-Henchman  2384 posts
Registered: Jul '04
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Date Posted: 11/6 2:33am Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 11/6 2:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Evil-Henchman
From wikipedia...

"Non-linear editing for films and television postproduction is a modern editing method which involves being able to access any frame in a digital video clip with the same ease as any other"

"In non-linear editing, the original source files are not lost or modified during editing"

VirtualDub can do all of this. Trust me, it is an NLE. It's not a robust one where you can save a project file and go back to it later where you left off but it is still an NLE.

It all depends on what you want to do and if you need to go back to it later or not. For example, When I made my Highlander music video, I had to make sure that the audio and video synched up properly and that I had fading credits near the beginning and end of the video. To start off, I used VirtualDubMod to make all the uncompressed AVI clips I needed from the Highlander DVD VOBs (this is before I knew of the Lagarith codec). This allowed me to correct the aspect ratio and deinterlace, all in one go. In Fact, VDM ignores the framerate in the header and only sees the true framerate of a VOB. In this case, it ignored the 29.97 fps in the header and used the correct 23.976 fps of the VOB itself so it was "self-deinterlacing". Maybe it reads the flags on the fields do this. I don't know and really don't care. It works and that's all that counts.

Anywho, I would then use regular VDub to crop frames when needed. Now in VDub, you can add an audio track and preview it but you can't edit it seperately from the video track. VDub is not really designed to edit audio (and if you delete a video frame, you also delete some audio). Mind you neither is AE but at least in AE you can move the entire audio track or it's individual clips to different points in the timeline. Anyways, in this case, the audio is an uncompressed WAV file of a song so it does not need any editing. I just need the video to line up with certain audio cues. Since I can't really do this in VDub, I need AE. I also need AE for fading credits.

I have all my clips, 35 or so and add them into the timeline in the proper and then add the audio track to the timeline. I then play it and see how things line up. If something needs a frame deleted here or there, I again do that in VDub. Once it's all done, I encode it out, all uncompressed. I then use VDub to convert it to another AVI codec that takes up a lot less space than uncompressed.

Now here's the thing, once I had the clips at the proper length, if I didn't need fading credits, in the size, color, font and placement that I needed them to be, I could have use VDub to add them all together... and since those clips were made in VDub, they already were all at the exact same framerate down to the nth decimal point, thus bypassing one of VDub's incompetencies.

I'm sure there are many other ways to do this, probably just using AE but this is the method I prefer and it works well for me. VDub is faster to use as it is more simplified. It takes less steps to do the same thing that AE does. So, VDub has it's place and I absolutely love the program. If you don't agree. That's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

This thread has gone way off topic. If you feel you must persue this line of discussion I ask you to please PM me or take it to the social thread. Thank you.

 

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VaporTrail  9980 posts
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Date Posted: 11/6 3:04pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 11/6 3:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: VaporTrail
Yeah, I gotta also call bgii out on this one. As far as I know, any type of editing done on a computer is NLE. If for some reason you had a program that would only allow you to insert clips in order, start-to-finish, then it'd be linear editing.

Now, I've never used VirtualDub but I can't imagine any sort of program that allows you to edit anything at all would be limited to doing it linear.

 

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bgii_2000  2616 posts
Registered: Jan '05
14744_Darth Vader
Date Posted: 11/6 4:41pm Subject: My Revenge of the Sith trailer! - Date Edited: 11/6 5:06pm (3 edits total) Edited By: bgii_2000
VaporTrail posted:
If for some reason you had a program that would only allow you to insert clips in order, start-to-finish, then it'd be linear editing.


...which would be...




VirtualDub.


It's an excellent processing suite, and can do some really amazing, technical, down-in-the-thick-of-it stuff with AVI files. I have played with it, quite a bit. For my first lightsaber duel I used a TV capture card to export an NTSC stream from an 8mm sony Handycam into an image sequence, painted the sabers on each image in "Microsoft Image Composer" (which doesn't exist anymore, IIRC), then used VirtualDub to import the sequence and export it as a cinepak encoded AVI file.

but,

it is not an NLE. It is a linear editing program.

VirtualDub's website agrees with me:

VirtualDub Website posted:
...is streamlined for fast linear operations over video.


Wikipedia agrees with me:

Wikipedia posted:
It is designed to process linear video streams, including filtering and recompression, but lacks features common to dedicated video editing software.

...

VirtualDub can be used to delete segments of a video file, append new segments, or reorder existing segments. However, segments of different files cannot be mixed, and no transition effects can be applied.


Users at the SourceForge agree with me:

SourceForge.com posted:
Superb linear video video processing application..


rpvee, you have my apologies, sir. I didn't mean to hijack your thread.

EDIT: You're right, that because it's digital, technically, under the hood, it's a non-destructive editor, which would make it an NLE. However, for all intents and purposes, the interface provided mimics the workflow of a linear, destructive editor.

 

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