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GrgurMG Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 1/12/05 2:20am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/12/05 2:22am (1 edits total) Edited By: GrgurMG
	Well.. let me comment here for Mike.. since he's sleeping. Though I know he doesn't need me to comment for him.. he'll be doing more than enough of that himself, I'm sure. But anyhoot.. I really don't think his critques were really overly harsh or anything. Granted there's an abundance of negative comments on some.. but it's more like he didn't make an extended effort to put positive comments in there just for the sake of making everyone happy... that would just be unDorkman of him. I think he felt it prudent to point out every negative thing he could find (though he probably didn't point out EVERY negative thing he found) so that the entrees could see how they could have improved. Generally, they probably shouldn't look at it as things he HATES about the entrees, but an abundance of things he thinks could of improved them. But really.. were his reviews that bad? I'm too tired to re-read them now.. I'm off to bed too... for now. PS: This is not to say I AGREED with all his reviews/comments... cuz I didn't. -----signature----- --------------------------------------------------- Michael F. Grgurev ---------------------- . . . .. Fan Film Community Music Video ...... http://members.aol.com/grgurmgspace/fanfilmmusicvid.mov http://members.aol.com/onenamek4u/musicvid_divx.zip
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Antilles01 Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/12/05 2:33am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	a lot of the reviews on here were pretty harsh, and I don't think dorkmans were as bad as some. However what I think provoked the response is that his were the longest and most in-depth, and each one got it's own post, so the negative comments are magnified in a sense. -----signature----- Brian Webb Freelance Rotologist "Surely you can do better!"
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MasterZap Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 4:37am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	DorkMan is DorkMan. Love or hate him for what he is, but he surely won't compromise. He won't hand out pats on the back just to please your ego. As a matter of fact, pats on the back of ANY kind comign from DorkMan should be revered highly, because they are few and far between. You just have to take the guy for what he is, h o n e s t, and that, my friend, is a very rare and chericheable quality, IMHO. Of course, yes, to a creator, who poured his heart, soul, and energy into something, having it get the "bluntly honest" treatment may sting quite a bit. We all do what we can with what we have. Everyone can do better if they have more time or resources. Most of us don't have either. I think one need to take each effort for what it is. /Z -----signature----- mental ray Tips blog - http://www.mentalraytips.com ZapTroNic Visuals - http://www.ZapTroNic.com Oldschool Homepage - http://www.Master-Zap.com FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER - http://twitter.com/masterzap
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durbnpoisn Title: TFN Staff Ca st & Crew Database Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 5:43am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/12/05 5:54am (1 edits total) Edited By: durbnpoisn
	Dorkman IS the Simon of these boards. I think everyone has come to accept that. And he certainly does not intend to compromise on that position. And for what it's worth, I can appreciate his feelings on the matter. He has explained that position many times in the past, and it certainly does have a value - even if it looks a little harsh to the n00bs... It's kind of like tough love for filmmakers. (In that, the intent to is HELP after all) Now... About the voting... tumblemoster made a suggestion of primaries... Really... I think that's going a little overboard. I think you will be satisfied that the feeling of the community overall is absolutely reflected in the voting results. Multiple rounds will prove nothing. Especially since the user vote is a seperate category entirely from the JUDGES official ratings. Consider that what I put together is unnofficial and for the users to have their say in what they like. Or, there are 2 official prizes to be handed out - one for USER vote and one for JUDGES vote. I don't really know. -----signature----- Fan Films Database: R.I.P. Cloning in AE: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films/cloneTut/index.asp My Star Wars Fan Films: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films
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Primrodo Title: FF CR Emeritus London ON Canada Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 5:47am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	You do realize what a review is right? Its a thought out response of ones opinion of a subject matter. If you don't like his opinon, thats ok, but he can say it anyway he wants to. For instance in #2 I happen to agree with what he said. He didn't just mindlessly say "This entry is teh suck" He pointed out specific times where he felt the entry lacked and also where it looked good. Granted it may seem that there was more wrong with the entry to him than the good, but again thats his opinion. Note that he didn't provoke or say wires should never be used, or that these guys have no future or should leave because they can't fight. I would also like to point out he was the same way about actual movies in the past...Matrix anyone? If you don't like his reviews ignore them, move along read some other peoples. -----signature----- Justin Monk Co-Founder and Former Chapter Rep, London Rogues Fan Force, London ON CA Now a proud member of Young Jedi Niagara June 18th, 2005 The day I married my angel!
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MasterZap Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 6:16am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/12/05 6:29am (2 edits total) Edited By: MasterZap
	I for one love DorkMans reviews in just about anything. I wouldn't want to be the sensitive poor n00b that is the subject of it, tho. As a matter of fact I am generating a file now for the sole purpouse of getting the DorkMan treatment on it. And guys, we already saw the foundation of the Earth shift in this very thread, just a few posts up. DorkMan admitted to being wrong -- I dunno this is the time for queries, but, who agrees with me that the shot in entry 02 where the guys jumps off the floor, catches the saber, looks to the cam, and runs off.... was actually shot in reverse? EDIT: After looking at it reversed, it's clear it was not, but it had a "odd" look to it which made me think it was. Silly me. /Z -----signature----- mental ray Tips blog - http://www.mentalraytips.com ZapTroNic Visuals - http://www.ZapTroNic.com Oldschool Homepage - http://www.Master-Zap.com FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER - http://twitter.com/masterzap
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ultimateguy Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 6:27am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	Oh come on, Dorkman isn't the Simon of the boards. He was easier on my entry than I was! But good job with the in-depth reviews. Keep 'em coming. -----signature----- Did you know that the derivative of the inverse hyperbolic tangent of the sine of x is equal to the secant of x? Moleculo! The molecular man!
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Joey__P Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 1/12/05 6:31am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	I know this is thread is for the voting, but I have to agree with Zap and Durb. I did not have an entry on this, but if I had I would take Dorkmans comments very seriously and to heart, no matter how rough they are. Anyone who frequents these boards knows that he is nothing but, well brutally honest. Candy coating is not in his vocabulary. So, as “harsh” as you think his reviews are, they are the ones I look for the most because those are the comments to make the films better, learn form the mistakes and the next time…get it right/better. -----signature----- "Heh heh........Rocky.................Road?"
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rdodson Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/12/05 7:47am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/12/05 8:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: rdodson
	DarthMeek&Mild posted: "Look at the date by my name. I was just kidding around about my 'exalted status' of having registered a month earlier than the date by your name. I thought he was serious too, and I'm sure I know less about the forum's politics than you do." Thanks, DM&M. Honestly, I probably should have lurked longer before posting. But, it is fun to interact, and I need variety from posting to my Christian Theology Blog. :-) -----signature----- Ron Dodson Treasurer & Executive VP DALCOR Companies, LLC Romans 9:16 "It does not depend on man who runs, or man who wills, but upon God who shows mercy."
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Jedi-Avatar Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 8:30am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD - Date Edited: 1/12/05 8:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi-Avatar
	Continuing with my thoughts on the entries: 9-16. #9 Is it just me, or was this entry sped up a little bit? If not, then these guys have some of the most impressive speed in the competition. There was just not a lot to hold my interest in this fight other than the fact that they were on rather slippery snow and ice. I kept waiting for one of them to fall, kind of how some people watch NASCAR to see a wreck. There was quite a bit of stick banging, and not very many nice moves. The dual sword wielding was useless. One sword being used while the other was WELL within striking distance and sat there doing nothing. Also the swords were moving so fast and were so thin as to disappear against the snow. Another entry where I really did not care about what was going on. #10 Wow. This entry has a TON of great things about it. Good fighting with speed and accuracy, nice facial expressions much of the time, a few really nifty little moves, good convincing effects that are really simple, a pretty complete package, despite no saber sound effects or saber blades. These two have obviously practiced quite a bit at this one, because it all goes without a hitch. Really good. A few things that did not quite work for me: I actually got a little bored. The pace of the fight was pretty unrelenting, with just a couple of breaks, and I felt numb at one point. Also when goatee-guy took out the pouting-guy's saber, that should have been the end of it. Yet the "killing" moves were so clumsy compared to everything before that I just could not buy it. Too obviously an excuse to continue the fight. There were also too many little openings that were not exploited, like pouting-guy's jump at 0:41. Goatee-guy should have split him in two, but opted to ignore it altogether. It was almost lost in the overall speed of the fight, so the first time I saw it I felt that something was missed. It took a few repeat viewings for it to really be clear. (which I suppose is a good thing in the end) One thing I am also not much of a fan of gratuitous saber spinning, and there sometimes was a bit too much. So when goatee-boy makes the obvious mistake of lowering his guard at the end, you had to go "well of course". Someone had to screw up! Also, a number of the slow-motion strikes were at saber, not body. All in all, this was a really good entry despite a couple of minor issues here and there. Major contender for the title. #11 Bagpipes!!!!!!! Oh lordie that was a bad music choice. Anyhoo, this fight had a number of good things about it. There was some energy behind some of the moves, but unfortunately the majority were way too slow. Something that was annoying rather than cool was all of the saber twirling. The guy with the hat looked like he nearly dropped his hilt on one occasion. The saber takeaways were stylish, but totally without substance. No-hat guy should move his feet a lot more than he did, and why didn't hat-guy run after falling like that? Or roll away? C'est la vie. Not bad, but could have been much better. #12 This entry has a nice use of gymnastics. . . and unfortunately not much else. The fighting is quite slow and unconvincing, and odd things happen with it too. (better editing would have probably helped much of that) At 1:08 the guy in the tan jacket loses his saber for no apparent reason. It is just gone. Hrm. Cute use of the tree as cover at 2:00, but it is so painfully slow. . . OK, and after getting a good elbow shot on the bad guy in the coat, the guy in the hat drops his saber and runs??? You had him dead! I am totally confused. But wait, there is more. He runs like mad, but coat boy catches him and suddenly guy in the hat has a saber again. Huh huh huh??? More slow, dispassionate fighting, and after being disarmed, coat boy vanishes. Well, if you are going to run, that is the way to do it! Sorry, but this entry will vanish as well. #13 A cute little movie that really is an effects test rather than a fight. The room was way too small to fight in like that, and it really wasn't much of a fight. It was silly. But major kudos to the young man who did it. The effects were good for what it is worth. That is really all there is to say about that. #14 "Hajime!!" Mmmmm, a budo theme! In an aikido dojo no less! I had a distinct feeling that there was going to be some fisticuffs in this entry and I was correct. They were really short-lived however, which was a bummer. Kids, watch the move at 1:03. That is how to disarm someone with a sword. But then red shirt blows it by not leaping right after him for the killing blow. He was in the perfect position. Oh well. Some good basics of Japanese sword work, but that was all. Not much was done with real speed or intent, and too many openings were left. An appropriate and decent looking kaishaku at the end to finish him off. Then he goes back to meditating. I just wanted to yell "Mokso!" Not a very engaging entry, nothing really to write home about. But it was good to see some of this anyhow. "Yame." #15 Well, this entry was disappointing. An attempt at a story, a great location, contempt for Jedi, lots of color for this fight that ends up not being used. The fighting was slow and weak. The moves were too repetitive and the combatants were lead-footed. They both just stomped and baby stepped around. Though looking at the boots that bad guy was wearing I can kind of understand. His moves in particular were very wooden, especially the robotic stick bashing when non-Jedi guy was down. None of the fighting was convincing but It was nice to once again see someone trying to tell a story. I actually cared a little bit about what would happen. That makes it worth it for me. But drink up, because that is a "to be continued" ending. #16 Good entry. Not as funny as it could have been since I never saw any of the movies that these guys were referencing during the (thankfully) limited dialog, but that's me. Some really good choreography in here and a lot of the fighting was done with gusto. Not pure lightsaber fighting, since you should not be able to grab or kick a saber blade like that, but who really cares all that much? A few openings that were not taken advantage of, and a few little moments where one fighter stopped moving his feet, but they were few and far between. I also noticed that the "Touché" guy was using a non-traditional grip: left hand on top, right on bottom. But Morpheus used the same grip in Reloaded, so power to the people! Some good hand-to-hand at the end as well leading up to the expected end and another "to be continued". Anyone drinking along should really be feeling it by now! Good job guys! I would like to see what happens after you have eaten a big 'ol XMas din-din. But please wait a bit after, otherwise you will be puking all over the lawn. -----signature----- "Hey, it's me!" ---------------- Old Jedi never die, they just become one with the Force.
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durbnpoisn Title: TFN Staff Ca st & Crew Database Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 8:54am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	News on voting: First thing: We are over 300 votes now!! Secondly: I got the point system working. It looks like it DOES make a lot more sense this way. Seeing a final score really does illustrate clearly who is winning. The only strange thing I foresee happening is that it IS entirely possible for an entry to get so many second place votes that they could outscore the first place entry. It looks like that's not going to happen. But it could... That might be a little weird. But when you think about it, if one entry got THAT many votes, they do deserve credit for it. -----signature----- Fan Films Database: R.I.P. Cloning in AE: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films/cloneTut/index.asp My Star Wars Fan Films: http://www.durbnpoisn.com/films
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DarthArjuna Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 9:15am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	I dunno this is the time for queries, but, who agrees with me that the shot in entry 02 where the guys jumps off the floor, catches the saber, looks to the cam, and runs off.... was actually shot in reverse? It looks odd because they used wires to lift the saber. Great idea, that, a lot smoother than having someone lift it near the tip. And why do people hate bagpipes? [/dumbquestion] I don't see them for a fight scene, at least not "Amazing Grace" (I've heard a couple bagpipe pieces that would work for one, though), but I love bagpipes in general. Actually, Uilleann pipes in specific- the smaller, Irish version of the pipes. Great use in Riverdance... which I used for I vs. Me The preceding has been an exercize in Bertoccian plugging. -----signature----- Andrew Hookway http://www.freewebs.com/pressenterproductions What IS Meatball? 8=======}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Sith-Lord_James and Alana:
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NitroBlade Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 9:57am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	I agree with those that said to take Dorkman's advice to heart. I would if he were to ever critique my work. Also, I can't beleive you people are still complaining about harsh comments. I already said this, you need thick skin if you're ever to release something, especially something art related, to the public. Plus, this is a competition, not a benifits concert. We review on what we see. If you don't like the reviews given, then you shouldn't have submitted a film. I have my films bashed all the time, but... aww forget it. I'm just repeating myself in the same thread. -----signature----- GEEKS UNDERGROUND http://geeksunderground.com [Jon Starr Films] [ http://www.JonStarrFilms.com ] [Jonathan Starr]
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DarkElfa Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/12/05 10:10am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	I would like to begin by saying, what's the point of this?! None of them will ever be better than Dorkman VS Ryan, ever! Best fan film, choreography and SFX. Deal with it. No one does lightsaber fighting better than that outside of ILM. I wish I had a fricken T-shirt on it with a shot of them with the light saber floating between them. Awsome!! That aside, all of the entries are great, but seriously, I didn't even know these guys were part of this forum. I never come in here since I live on the fan-fic boards. I saw Ryan VS Dorkman awahile ago, and was totally blown away! I had no idea fans could do something of that magnatude. I also loved the alternate Anni/Obi/Dooku fight. I look forward to Dorkman's next film, I don't care if its Yoda VS Kermit, I'm there! -----signature----- War is young men dying and old men talking. The Obi and Anni Poem: http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=17985031&replies=5 The Poem of A new Hope: http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=17995049&replies=0 Matthew_Wolverine's Padawan
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DarthArjuna Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 10:14am Subject: RE: *LIGHTSABER CHOREOGRAPHY CONTEST III* VOTING / REVIEW THREAD
	I would like to begin by saying, shut up. I would like to conclude by saying, shut up. You are why people hate n00bs. -----signature----- Andrew Hookway http://www.freewebs.com/pressenterproductions What IS Meatball? 8=======}>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Sith-Lord_James and Alana:
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