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Manger  167 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 10:40am Subject: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text - Date Edited: 9/3/05 10:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: Manger
Hi,

Can someone with DVD in the computer tell me:
How many frames pass from when in the bottom you see the first part of the text and when the row is completly viewable

See the example (just look to the bottom row)




Thanks.

 

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Evil-Henchman  2379 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 10:52am Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
You don't need a DVD-ROM and a computer to tell you this. Your DVD player should have a way to advance it frame by frame after pausing it using the remote. It may show your video as 29.97 fps instead of 23.976 just like a VCR would when paused and using "frame advance". If that is the case, sometimes when you try to advance to the next frame, it will look as if nothing has happened. Just don't count the frames where the text does NOT move forward. That's all there is too it.

 

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DVeditor  15650 posts
Title: Fan Films Evil Overlord (manager)
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 11:10am Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
It's also worth noting that the text actually changes in speed slightly over time. (Just like when the Star Wars logo fades into the distance.) happy

Hope that helps!

 

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Manger  167 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 12:23pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
Evil-Henchman posted:
You don't need a DVD-ROM and a computer to tell you this. Your DVD player should have a way to advance it frame by frame after pausing it using the remote. It may show your video as 29.97 fps instead of 23.976 just like a VCR would when paused and using "frame advance". If that is the case, sometimes when you try to advance to the next frame, it will look as if nothing has happened. Just don't count the frames where the text does NOT move forward. That's all there is too it.



Thanks both happy

Evil-Hencham, are you sure that the "go-forward-1-frame" button in the DVD doesnt skip sometimes more than one? well ill try, thanks

 

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Evil-Henchman  2379 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 1:45pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text - Date Edited: 9/3/05 1:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Evil-Henchman
Manger posted:
Evil-Henchman, are you sure that the "go-forward-1-frame" button in the DVD doesnt skip sometimes more than one? well ill try, thanks


It doesn't skip any frames on my DVD players but it might on others. Mine are Sony.

 

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MeBeJedi  10958 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 2:39pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
I'm not sure how one would actually measure the speed of the crawl...but I superimposed my crawl over the OT crawl from the "Empire of Dreams" doc, and adjusted it to match.

 

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Manger  167 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
MeBeJedi posted:
I'm not sure how one would actually measure the speed of the crawl...but I superimposed my crawl over the OT crawl from the "Empire of Dreams" doc, and adjusted it to match.


mm, the best way is this one... I read it on an article in starwars.com
In fact they did it when making episode I, so the crawl went the same as the old ones..

btw, I counted 28 frames

 

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WeirdHat  900 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 2:44pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
I haven't seen it in a while, but isn't the crawl in Empire of Dreams the original original crawl, without "Episode IV" in it? Why not use the one that's actually in the movie?

But yeah, superimposing it over the real crawl is the best way to get it to match.

 

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DVeditor  15650 posts
Title: Fan Films Evil Overlord (manager)
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 3:21pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
That's what I did in this tutorial. The speed and such for the originals varies a little because they used a camera and text on a lightbox so it's far from perfect timing. But if you compare the After Effects project to the original crawl from ANH it's as close as I could get it. wink

Hope that helps!

 

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MeBeJedi  10958 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 4:59pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
"I haven't seen it in a while, but isn't the crawl in Empire of Dreams the original original crawl, without "Episode IV" in it? Why not use the one that's actually in the movie?"

Because I am trying to recreate the original crawl for my project anyways. wink

 

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Manger  167 posts
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 5:52pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
DVeditor posted:
That's what I did in this tutorial. The speed and such for the originals varies a little because they used a camera and text on a lightbox so it's far from perfect timing. But if you compare the After Effects project to the original crawl from ANH it's as close as I could get it. wink

Hope that helps!


To that tutorial I would add:
-A 24 mm camera so the angle its more like the original
-An image with the top quarter of it painted with a gradient from black to trasparent (vertically) which should be over the letters so they look more near the infinity

grin

 

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DVeditor  15650 posts
Title: Fan Films Evil Overlord (manager)
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Date Posted: 9/3/05 10:08pm Subject: RE: Can someone tell me velocity of the rolling text
Excellent points - I actually do have a gradient in the project but it's not obvious with those screencaps. Also if you look down the page there are some improvements like a widescreen version and such but the 24mm camera is something I didn't go back and correct. Only because I had based the timing and perspective off of the original focal length though. wink I think it was my second tutorial ever and it was just meant to give people a comparison to the originals as far as speed and character layout. happy

 

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