RocketGirl posted:Except that it's my experience that most people DO fall into a routine, a certain mindset, a paradigm if you will.
RG posted:...which is part of the problem and part of what really ought to change. Yes, a fan film can and should be made for your own satisfaction, but not exclusively so; at least half should be the intention that your film--fan or otherwise--is both seen and enjoyed by other people.
Kaat posted:RocketGirl posted:Except that it's my experience that most people DO fall into a routine, a certain mindset, a paradigm if you will. Ah, that was exactly my point, thanks. Because before, you were universalizing; now you are talking about most people, something I did not contradict. I only said that not all people were like this, while I did not say that this doesn't probably apply to most of them. I just don't like generalizations, that's why I had to correct you. And apparently, it worked.
Kaat posted: I do disagree here. At most, half of your intention should be your audience rather than your freedom (unless you're making something commercial you need to make money with). Because otherwise, that would mean that you're making your films more to please other people than to please yourself, and that's something that should only apply to a job or beneficence, but not to a hobby. Of course, it's great if people like your stuff. But it's not good if you don't like your stuff yourself.
Kaat posted: I'll try to express it in lightsaber terms (even though you won't like that): if I did the lightsaber effects my way and the way I think they look best, and people didn't like them; and then I show them some horrible AotC-style sabers I made, and they love them, it would be the better choice, audience-wise, to make the sabers look AotC-ish, no matter how much I dislike this look. But still, I won't do them AotC-style, because it's more important that I like my saber effects the way they are. So, I wouldn't give a crap about what they said, and make the lightsaber effects my way.
RocketGirl posted:Actually, it kinna pissed me off. And is continuing to do so. That kind of pedantry has always been deeply annoying; it's like enforcing certain persnickety PC speech codes with regards to race or gender, trying to force people to be careful instead of casual with their speech, forcing them to be on their guard all the time for fear of making a casual and reasonable step that might, however, offend some over-sensitive morality-Nazi. redacted
RG posted:But what you seem to be advocating is to not EVER think about that, to make it 100% for yourself...
RG posted:But again...why would you make this thing if you didn't want people to watch it? And if you wanted people to watch it--and to like it--why wouldn't you make a minor change like that, really? Because it IS a minor change...it's not like it has any bearing at all on the plot...which is, after all, what's important.
Kaat posted: It has not so much to do with pedantry, than with argumentation.
Kaat posted: RG posted:But what you seem to be advocating is to not EVER think about that, to make it 100% for yourself... Nope. Well, maybe that's what I seem to do, but that's actually not what I do, nor what I said. My point was simply not to put the audience before yourself. I don't say that you should ignore other people's opinions completely, or not think about what other people might say. But if something is important to you, and you want to keep it, and you are de facto completely free to chose what you want, because you don't exactly need to sell it to people... why not make what you like more?
Kaat posted: Look at a true artist like Picasso, for example. I don't think that most people back then liked what La Guernica looked like. But did he care? No.
Kaat posted: Besides the fact that YOU consider the looks of a lightsaber a minor thing, while I care about them much more... you do realize that this was an example after all, right? This applies to storylines, plots, characters or whatever you might want to focus on as well. Some more modern examples than Picasso: what about "The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker"? When they presented its looks back in 2001, I think, many fans were SHOCKED. Especially after a video one year before that demonstrated great looks. Did Nintendo care? No. They pulled it off and released it with that cel shading-look... to become one of the greatest games in the series.
Kaat posted: Or the storyline of Avatar. In the end of season 2, which has worked on its character development for several episodes, building up undoubtful expectations that prince Zuko would finally turn good and team up with the protagonists, the authors did surprise the audience with the most unexpected move and let Zuko team up with the bad guys once again. Fans were screaming at their TVs when Zuko attacked the protagonists. Did the authors care? Did they do something wrong? No.
RG posted:If you're not making a fan film to show other people, a fan film you hope other people will end up enjoying, then yeah, make what you like more. But if there's even a tiny scrap of you that wants people to enjoy what you've made, you have to consider your audience.
RG posted:You HAVE to consider your audience unless you are making something completely original...
I posted:My point was simply not to put the audience before yourself. I don't say that you should ignore other people's opinions completely, or not think about what other people might say.
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DorkmanScott posted:Yeah, that too. I've only JUST paid off my debt from the last time I tried to make my own serious fan film -- to the tune of around $10,000. It took 5 years to pay that off and even though I really like the story, I'm really not looking forward to throwing that kind of cash down the toilet again by making a film I can never sell no matter how well it turns out.
captain_nimoy posted:I always wondered what are peoples different motivations for making a serious fanfilm?
captain_nimoy posted: I always wondered what are peoples different motivations for making a serious fanfilm?
