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VaporTrail
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3/14 5:26pm
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RocketGirl posted:
That's beside the point; we're on a filmmaking board, here, and I'm not about to advocate sloppy filmmaking or storytelling.
Yeah, but there's something to be said for supporting the learning process.
How bad were your first films? Honestly, now. And some people take longer to get better at this, and maybe some never do.
This doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here and tell people to stop doing it 'cuz I didn't like their execution. I'm not even going to tell them how to do it. Advice, guidance, but your work is your own, based off someone else's ideas or not.
I haven't had a day during production where I didn't think "This just isn't going to be good", but I refuse to spend my days telling other people that's what I think of their work.
RocketGirl posted:
"Ooh, that was cool! And I want to be cool in exactly the same way!" without ever really considering what went into building a fan film...or whether or not to make an original story.
There are worse things. You shouldn't take it so personally.
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RocketGirl
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3/14 6:14pm
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VaporTrail posted:
Yeah, but there's something to be said for supporting the learning process.
Absolutely...but I'm not sure how many people here want to learn; I think most just wanna look like a badass, lightsaber-wielding, Force-user. And I'm not convinced that many of them are really all that passionate about Star Wars in general, either, given their choice of subject matter and general lack of storytelling versus action...
VT posted:
How bad were your first films? Honestly, now. And some people take longer to get better at this, and maybe some never do.
My first few weren't great, I admit...but as far as this thread is concerned, I'm more concerned with the motivation to make a film in the first place rather than the quality. I don't think most people are coming into this with the idea of improving their ability at filmcraft so much as wanting to look cool with a lightsaber.
VT posted:
There are worse things. You shouldn't take it so personally.
I don't tkae it personally, I just find it really, really disappointing. I find it disappointing because it doesn't pay Star Wars much of a tribute to focus on what is, after all, only one aspect of the Saga, and ignoring completely what was more than half of the Original Trilogy. I think that's a really, really sad commentary on fan films and fandom in general, that such a vital part of Star Wars is just cast aside like it's nothing.
And I find it disappointing because it'd be great to have fan films to watch that I'll find entertaining.
But I don't take it personally. I just feel it's my responsibility to fight for what I believe in, and that just happens to be the Galactic Civil War. When someone's fan film doesn't focus on that, I don't take it as a personal affront, but I DO feel the need to speak out to see if maybe, just maybe, we could see some variety around here.
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RocketGirl posted:
Absolutely...but I'm not sure how many people here want to learn; I think most just wanna look like a badass, lightsaber-wielding, Force-user. And I'm not convinced that many of them are really all that passionate about Star Wars in general, either, given their choice of subject matter and general lack of storytelling versus action...
I think you've just hit the nail on the head there, RocketGirl. The truth is that there are VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY few people on this board who are actually concerned with being actual filmmakers in a broader, aesthetic sense of the term.
And I don't think that's really going to change.
The best we can hope for in here is to appeal to the small, select few who are using this as a platform to make the kind of fanfilms you are talking about or moving onto bigger, better things. At the end of the day, if the board's majority are perfectly happy with watching, critiquing and revelling in "Backyard Nephew vs Cousin Lightsaber Duel XI Part 2"...then there's little to be done to change it.
All I'm afraid that can be done is feel disappointed and yet happy that the field of competition is smaller than we thought.
As someone who started out filmmaking with my friends and LEARNT the lessons of why filmmaking with your friends is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE idea...I've also come to learn that the fanfilm boards IS just that: The Fan Film Boards. Not the filmmaking boards with a strong fanfilm bias, no matter what some people believe. It's not gonna change.
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VaporTrail
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Ahh. Well, you can't be blamed for aspiring towards cool-ness.
I'm hoping  + the 160 page script I spent 2-3 years writing will be something worthwhile, but I'll guess we'll see. Honestly, I'm half-tempted to send the rough cut to you along with the few others, cuz I know if there's something I can fix (in post), you'll be sure to point it out.
RG posted:
I just feel it's my responsibility to fight for what I believe in, and that just happens to be the Galactic Civil War.
Spoken like a true Rebel.
RG posted:
When someone's fan film doesn't focus on that, I don't take it as a personal affront, but I DO feel the need to speak out to see if maybe, just maybe, we could see some variety around here.
Heh, a repetitious campaign calling out for variety. That tickles me.
I just don't see why everyone out there who isn't doing this is a new opportunity for you to plead again. I mean, we could get the GCW equivalent of Ian Hubert's Spacemen Belong in the Future, Probably (w/o the wackiness, I'm talking production values), but even w/ how that was done, it couldn't have been easy. Actually, you might like that one. Not sure.
Plain clothes + a stick is about as easy as it gets. If you try hard enough, and someone finally gives in and starts making your ideas instead of their original one, the story behind their blaster fight probably will have about the same gusto as the 'saber fight they'd make instead.
Instead of Jedi we have Rebels. Armorless Stormtroopers. Mandalorians who can't decide which side to be on.
So basically, everything Dark Horse put out before the prequels.
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Tho y'know what... when I finish FKaD, if I have time for a quick little project, I will make a blaster fight. Just for you. Seriously. Nothing extravagant, I'm sure, but I'll step up to that right now.
When I finish FKaD is the question here.
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RooHo
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Hmmm… what’s going to happened and what’s everyone going to do when that ‘serious’ fan film finally appears? Is everyone just going to stop complaining and say well someone finally did it, now I can die happy;-) Just a thought:-)
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VaporTrail posted:
Tho y'know what... when I finish FKaD, if I have time for a quick little project, I will make a blaster fight. Just for you. Seriously. Nothing extravagant, I'm sure, but I'll step up to that right now.
When I finish FKaD is the question here.
Okay, for that one, yeah . . . . call me. 
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RocketGirl
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RooHo posted:
Hmmm… what’s going to happened and what’s everyone going to do when that ‘serious’ fan film finally appears? Is everyone just going to stop complaining and say well someone finally did it, now I can die happy;-) Just a thought:-)
Actually, I hope it's quite the reverse. I'm hoping someone will look at a serious fan film and go, "Whoa...a fan made this. Not a studio, not George Lucas...just some schlub in a dirty t-shirt. And, wow...talk about a fan film! THIS is what a fan film could be, above and beyond an excuse to get into a fight! I want to do that! I want to do that!"
It's my fond hope that the "me too, me too!" factor will be high. I'm not holding my breath, but that's my hope.
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RocketGirl
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VaporTrail posted:
EDIT:
Tho y'know what... when I finish FKaD, if I have time for a quick little project, I will make a blaster fight. Just for you. Seriously. Nothing extravagant, I'm sure, but I'll step up to that right now.
When I finish FKaD is the question here.
Throw in a space battle--even if only in the background, as set dressing--and I'll be a happy camper. 
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3/17 10:08am
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RooHo posted:
Hmmm… what’s going to happened and what’s everyone going to do when that ‘serious’ fan film finally appears? Is everyone just going to stop complaining and say well someone finally did it, now I can die happy;-) Just a thought:-)
Probably nothing. I mean, everyone has their own definition of "serious" film, from a long drawn out lightsaber battle, with a story, to smugglers, blasters and explosions.
RocketGirl posted:
Actually, I hope it's quite the reverse. I'm hoping someone will look at a serious fan film and go, "Whoa...a fan made this. Not a studio, not George Lucas...just some schlub in a dirty t-shirt. And, wow...talk about a fan film! THIS is what a fan film could be, above and beyond an excuse to get into a fight! I want to do that! I want to do that!"
It's my fond hope that the "me too, me too!" factor will be high. I'm not holding my breath, but that's my hope.
Kind of like how my friends and I felt after watching Essence of the Force and RvD (The Original) because there is that feeling of, "Wow! That looks cool, and fans did make it. Now, can I do it?"
Of course the question comes down to a bit of a narcissistic statement of, "They can do it and I do it, and probably better." At least, that was my own attitude at times. Trying to make a couple of films has made me realize how difficult actually film making is as a job.
I still think demonstrating other factors of film making, like story, like stunt work, character building, costuming, props could aid the community to grow. All of those are aspects of fan films. I mean, I saw a thread where someone repainted Nerf guns for props. What about the effects of a blaster fight? We talk about lightsaber blades, so I think blaster fights would be nice to learn as well.
Personally, I think if you want to see more serious fan films, then the basic tools need to demonstrated as well, from effects to stunts.
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RocketGirl posted:
Throw in a space battle--even if only in the background, as set dressing--and I'll be a happy camper.
That'd be interesting, and something I could prolly do by compositing my old toys even. The way I envision it, they'll be so far away, you won't be able to see much except slight silhouettes and explosions. Maybe a nearby explosion could throw off the characters... hmmm. It'd probably be an atmosphere battle like the Rogue Squadron games or some of the X-Wing novels.
I could do the fight anywhere, even a forest, and have that happening in the distance. I'll have to put that on the idea list.
Just don't get too hyped yet. Gonna be a while.
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I've done my goofing around with parody and docu, but I'm stepping up with a SERIES of serious films about Star Wars. Haven't settled on a title yet, but there's a lot of dramatic tales to be told about that particular universe.
Stay tuned.
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RocketGirl posted:
I'm hoping someone will look at a serious fan film and go, "Whoa...a fan made this. Not a studio, not George Lucas...just some schlub in a dirty t-shirt. And, wow...talk about a fan film! THIS is what a fan film could be, above and beyond an excuse to get into a fight! I want to do that! I want to do that!"
And THAT is why we have 5,000,000,000+ videos of people waving glowing sticks at each other in the woods.
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I think that's kinda her point. RG assumes that those 5,000,000,000+ people aren't inspired/thoughtful/intelligent enough to come up with something beyond their saber duel videos.
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Kaat posted:
people aren't intelligent enough to come up with something beyond their saber duel videos.
[ferris/] That hurts Cameron.
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I provided all three possibilities because I am never too sure which one is the most accurate.
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