Author Topic: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
fjrsm  687 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 4:29pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I was thinking that a sith wars should happen after the clone wars. So... The end of Revenge of the Sith wouldn't exist and neither would IV, V and VI.
That's my view of it. No one can use this idea yet. I'm gonna use it for a fanfilm this Summer.

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1547 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 4:30pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
backdeskproductions posted:
Citizens of his homeworld must unite and form an organization that will block his election in a peaceful or forceful manner.

Hmmm. Interesting. A small cast, only four or five individuals, seated in a room, discussing what to do. Perhaps have one character appear only as a hologram.

backdeskproductions posted:
A Jedi ship was shot down over a hostile world during a diplomatic mission to that same world. The Jedi must find some way to escape or they will be imprisoned, tortured or even killed.

One actor, maybe two (one Jedi and another - perhaps a bounty hunter?) on a forest world. Relatively easy to pull off.

backdeskproductions posted:
A rival band to the Max Rebo Band is on a tour across the galaxy. <snip> all this inspiring the band to write a song which will become the most favorite song the galaxy has ever heard... the Cantina song.

Personally, I would avoid the "Cantina Song" aspect, and make it just about a random travelling band. Bith costumes aren't the easiest to pull off, y'know. But, if there are any fan filmers out there with musician friends, this could turn into a lot of fun for someone.

backdeskproductions posted:
A system of worlds is struggling for peace as a neighbor planet is building up an invasion army to conquer the system. This calls for immediate political action. A group of Jedi are sent to the different worlds with a battalion of clone soldiers to persuade the system into peace.

Jedi don't usually lead battalions in to "persuade." If anything, it would be a pair of Jedi (Master and Apprentice), with a situation similar to that of Episode One. Could this perhaps be the same world as in your corrupt Chancellor story?

backdeskproductions posted:
Planets beyond the outer rim are disappearing. Not because they were erased from the archives, but because they were destroyed. A group of investigators are sent to nearby systems to seek out the cause of these disappearances.

Now that would have made a great intro for the Death Star. However, since that's already been done, I'm not so sure about this one.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 5:40pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
All of these ideas would have an element of action involved... small scale or as large as you can get.

I personally like the idea of the Jedi getting shot down over the planet. That would be a great season opener I think. They get shot down... they crash... the Jedi survive, maybe one dies... the bad guys start to hunt them down... the jedi need to find help so they contact the closest ships to their area, drawing in friendly and enemy... the ship that does come to help is the Max Rebo Band Rival... they come to the rescue...enemy gets really mad... the jedi report the hostility to the senate...the bad planet prepares to speed up their plans of conquering the system... the Jedi come back with a battalion of clones... some squads of clones are given orders to separate from the main battle group to go and find the leader of this hostile faction... others are possibly involved in larger scale skirmishes... the clone squads lose contact with the Jedi...

yadayadayada....

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 7:29pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 7:33pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
You know, I was thinking. It is going to be hard to actually choose whose story idea to go with. The problem is: Who makes the choice in the end, and what happens if a bunch of people think it's a bad choice? One person choosing probably wouldn't be a good idea for that reason. However, having the community decide won't work out to well, either. Everyone is going to vote for their own idea.

However, I think there might still be a fair way to decide this. Option 1 is to have everyone suggest ideas (as we've been doing) and then at some point stop taking ideas (we'd really only want a handful) and then take that handful of ideas over to another group to get their input. For instance, we could take a set of ideas to the fanfic forums to get their opinions on which ideas would make the best movie (best as in, good, rich, engaging SW story with believable/relate able/etc characters). Might not get a 100% consensus from the fanfic forum, but it would help to narrow it down at least, and we'd probably go with the more popular choice among the fanfic writers. I think this would be a far more fair way to give everyone's idea a chance. It would be like POTC:AWE when all the pirates were voting for themselves (except in our case we probably won't get a tie breaker).

Then, when it comes time to write the script, we might want to have more than one person write it, and then take the different scripts over to the fanfic guys to see which is best. The reason I say more than one is because more than one person has volunteered already to write the script (myself and DVCPRO-HDeditor, at least), and it might not be fair to pick one of us over the other to do the writing, so it might be more fair for both of us to do it, and then get an outside, objective opinion about which one is better & go with that. Perhaps when choosing the script (or even just the idea, maybe) we could do a poll and get some opinions that way (even a poll on the fanfic forums may help to narrow things down). Of course, that depends on whether or not we could a poll approved. Oh, and obviously if there is more than one writer they all need to be aware that their script might not get chosen (just so no one gets offended that theirs wasn't).



Option 2 then would be to have an official TFN script-writing contest, where the intent is to write a script for a 5-10 minute movie. Not sure if there would be a prize (would not be wise to make any outright promises that the winning script would be made into a movie). Some might say that it would be a waste of time since most of the scripts would not be made into movies (and perhaps not even the winning one, if it doesn't work out), but disagree. At the very least, we would point out to the writers that there would be no guarantee that their script would turn into a movie. Also, I was thinking that all of the entries could be archived somewhere so that if someone in the future were looking for an idea for a fan film (ie, they have the technical skills/resources but can't think of a good script), they could turn to this bank of scripts. Besides, my thinking is that if it's a waste of time to write a script that may not be made into a movie, then it would also be a waste of time to make say, an entry for a choreography contest when that choreography would never make it into a full-length fan film. Personally, I think neither is a waste of time, and I think it would be nice to have contests focusing on pre-production, since sometimes it seems like post-production is the only thing we think about around here.

Now, the contest would taking some setting up, so that might not be the best choice right now. It would be doable, but it wouldn't happen easy or overnight. We'd have to set the rules, assign judges, pick a start and end time, get it approved (to make it official). The contest may work better for after we've written & shot a "proof of concept" short film (the one from the contest would be short as well).

The basic idea in both options is to get some kind of an outside input/opinion (either from the rest of the fan film forum community, or from the fanfic community, or even both) after we've tossed ideas around so that we avoid anyone getting offended that their idea wasn't chosen (that may still happen anyway, but if we're fair in choosing hopefully everyone would be a good sport about it).

One other thing: I think we need to keep this as uncomplicated a possible. We should write (for now) only one movie, and it should be kept short (as in 5 minutes, 10 at most). the script could come from a larger whole, or a set of episodes, or whatever, but I don't want us to get ahead of ourselves and start writing up a bunch of scripts for a series of episodes before we even know if we can pull it off. I say we write this one script and focus on that. If it comes out of a larger whole, that remainder of that whole should remain unwritten until after we complete this "proof of concept."

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 7:51pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jace Taran posted:
You know, I was thinking. It is going to be hard to actually choose whose story idea to go with. The problem is: Who makes the choice in the end, and what happens if a bunch of people think it's a bad choice? One person choosing probably wouldn't be a good idea for that reason. However, having the community decide won't work out to well, either. Everyone is going to vote for their own idea.



Well, assuming that the bickering dies down and people get really get their crap together on this, that still leaves one hitch as far as I'm concerned...or, more to the point, as far as my participation is concerned: I want no part of this project if the script doesn't take place during the Galactic Civil War; the fan film world is glutted with movies from just about every other time period and the Rebellion is sadly under-represented. And it's also my favorite part of Star Wars.
So, unless it's set during that time period, I simply have no real interest. The project certainly doesn't hinge on my participation, so just consider this me casting my vote with my feet, so to speak.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/11/08 9:06pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
GCW (Galactic Civil War) gets my vote as well. X-Wings, Rebel Pilots, Stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, Tie Fighters...The list goes on, but GCW is a really cool time period. That, and if we do use RG's idea, it can even have lightsabers (and without bending continuity, I might add). Besides, there are plenty of models already available for that period. Problem with doing a story about ancient SW history is that we'd have to create a lot of stuff from scratch.

Still, I'm wondering if we wouldn't be better off starting with a really short clip (as in, even shorter than the 5-10 minute idea I had earlier), just so we can prove that we can accomplish something. This would give us more credibility, and we could move on to something larger. I suggest we actually start with a simple 30 second bit. Something taken as a "teaser" snippet from a script (not a true blue teaser, because it wouldn't jump around). If we can pull something that simple off, then we can perhaps move on to a longer (like 5 or 10 minute) movie, and perhaps on from there (but we'd only cross that bridge when we came to it). If we can't, then we'd know that longer stuff definitely couldn't happen (and we'd have come to that conclusion without having to had wasted a ton of time working on the longer one).

Even if we go that route, I still vote GCW.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 11:13am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Even though my whole mind was set on ancient SW times... I'm putting my vote in for GCW. It's a lot easier and its actually possible to do. It may not be this big glorious fan film, but we're heading in the right direction to be able to pull off something of "that magnitude".

RocketGirl... I'm sorry for "bickering" and I'm sure the rest of us feel the same way. It's not good film producing educate.

Yes... let's focus on the story and script coming around before we can jump right into the rest of pre production.
Getting a list of all of the storylines over to the fan fiction forum would be a good idea. Or even if we can get a poll organized, that would be better. BUT there may be too many stories to fit in a poll.

This will take some thinking...

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 11:48am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
backdeskproductions posted:
Even though my whole mind was set on ancient SW times... I'm putting my vote in for GCW. It's a lot easier and its actually possible to do. It may not be this big glorious fan film, but we're heading in the right direction to be able to pull off something of "that magnitude".


Don't be silly... the Galactic Civil War was the fight for freedom encompassing the entire galaxy; what could honestly be bigger? That's part of why the severe lack of fan films dealing with that time era boggle me; the possibilities are huge, as are the implications, the impact of such an event.

bdp posted:

RocketGirl... I'm sorry for "bickering" and I'm sure the rest of us feel the same way. It's not good film producing educate.



I, uh, think you mean etiquette. happy
Anyway, no worries; just so long as we can keep this thing on track and civil...

bdp posted:

Yes... let's focus on the story and script coming around before we can jump right into the rest of pre production.
Getting a list of all of the storylines over to the fan fiction forum would be a good idea. Or even if we can get a poll organized, that would be better. BUT there may be too many stories to fit in a poll.

This will take some thinking...


Well, it seems to me that the possibilities of a collaborative effort would be best served in a way that allows absolutely anybody to participate...so how about this: do a kind of spy-thriller sort of fan film regarding the Rebellion. That way, people can film their own part of the adventure as simply another agent communicating over the message center. You know...the sort of plan that requires synchronized timing across the planet or something. And you can have double-agents so that all the characters don't have to be Rebels... And since we obviously want the Force in there as a factor somehow, well, there's my idea of the Alderaan survivor who gets inadvertently trained in the Dark side...

'Course, this sounds awfulyl damn complicated, and if this is ever to get off the ground it really needs to be a bit simpler. But you get the idea.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 12:52pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
We definitely need to avoid being picky as well, at least for the first time. We can't all the footage to be in HD. I suppose we could establish some consistencies with camera setting and such (though that can only so so far, as what works in one situation likely won't work in another). Basically, anyone who wants to film a certain bit out of the script should be welcome. Only problem is that this approach will likely lead to different clips that may not match up very well.

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 10:44pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jace Taran posted:
Only problem is that this approach will likely lead to different clips that may not match up very well.


Well, that's why I like the idea of a lot of the footage being people corresponding via viewscreen; you can get away with a lot using the occasional application of artificial static, for example...map someone's footage onto a viewscreen, add a little static, badabing. happy

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 10:59pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I'm not talking about the difference in quality when combining different shots (for holograms, viewscreens, etc). I was actually referring to how odd it might be for different scenes to have varying levels of quality (eg, a noisy/grainy shot for one scene, and suddenly it cuts to the next scene which is clear), or even just radically different lighting situations, such that there'd probably be some color correction required. Doable, but there'd probably be some extra work to make transitions between scenes more smooth.

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/12/08 11:49pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jace Taran posted:
I'm not talking about the difference in quality when combining different shots (for holograms, viewscreens, etc). I was actually referring to how odd it might be for different scenes to have varying levels of quality (eg, a noisy/grainy shot for one scene, and suddenly it cuts to the next scene which is clear), or even just radically different lighting situations, such that there'd probably be some color correction required. Doable, but there'd probably be some extra work to make transitions between scenes more smooth.


No, I understood that; I was proposing that the plot revolve largely around people who communicate via viewscreen so that the difference in quality could be justified.

 

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Date Posted: 1/13/08 2:03am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
backdeskproductions posted:
You know what. I alone was not just going to work on this thing. I was proposing a community project and I have been TRYING to get some people to contribute... but if people wont contribute, then there is no sense in doing this COMMUNITY project. It won't disappoint me, I'm actually currently breathing breaths of relief.

Thanks for nothing.
I'm sorry, man. But I can support this. I'm out.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/13/08 1:25pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
If you are out, that's fine... but I'm not going to be negative anymore. Nothing gets done. We should all be positive from now on. With a positive attitude comes positive results. (if you dont believe that then i will add "most of the time")

Maybe we could do a "war veteran's story" of the GCW period. Have characters who are veterans of the Galactic Civil War and do some sort of flashback showing what they went through during the war. Whoever films in HD will film the veterans and the other poorer quality cams will film the flashbacks, being the other filmmakers' jobs. That would be pretty fun I think.

Now it's everyones turn to point out the downsides to the idea...

 

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Jedsithor  1193 posts
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Date Posted: 1/13/08 1:44pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
drewjmore posted:
Chiming in: I'm usually "working" while I lurk here, but my workstation RAID just fouled-up and I got nothing to do until HP tech support gets here Monday...


A.n.y.w.a.y...


Jedsithor posted:
I actually think bgii_2000's "Tales of a..." idea is pretty interesting and would allow for multiple shoots, especially if we were to make my Sith War idea (which like Rocketgirls idea, had no real feedback).

<snipped the idea>

Thoughts?


In earlier threads I read your suggestion of 'throwing out' the semi-cannonical sith war history in favor of your version, and now we've seen your outline in that vein. Don't you think that *creating* conflicting plots within the GFFA mythos is asking for trouble? In the sense that there are a fair number of EU sources (I think, perhaps, mostly comic books; which I've never seen, btw) that have already outlined the history of that time-period. For those who have partaken of the Dark Horse material, that IS the story of the Sith Wars. The war might still make for an interesting film project, but I'd be more inclined to look for //harmony// with cannonical, however weakly so, stories.

On a slightly different note, I'll cast my vote for RG's idea, as long as it's written with an eye to //supporting// the EU tales which occur later. I also like the barely-connected episode format. Perhaps the only connections we allow should be via holonet? Then one director could film one half of a conversation with an actor from their episode, while a second director would be using that hologram as an VFX element in their episode.


Well my problem with pre-movie EU is actually not that different than Rocketgirls problem with general Jedi fan films. There's just too much of the same thing...whether it's revan or Exar Kun, Old Sith Wars, new Sith Wars, first schism, second schism etc etc...it's all the same...someone turns to the dark side, creates a Sith empire, attacks the Republic and is redeemed or defeated...then it happens again, and again.

How the republic could have survived for 25,000 years with all these wars is beyond me. The movies have also made it impossible to bring EU into line with the saga. Sure they've done their best to retcon it...but Sio Bibble didn't say restructuring...he said formation...Palpatine didn't say 25,000 years, he said 1,000 and Revenge of the Sith made it clear that the Sith once ruled the galaxy. Granted it's party Lucas' fault for not taking into account Obi-Wans "thousand generations" line, but multiple lines in the prequels make it clear that it was a thousand years...making Obi-Wan wrong (wouldn't be the first time tongue )

So if official EU canon can't be brought into line with the movies, then why should a fan film have to be brought into line with EU?

My idea takes information that is consistent with the movies and crafts a story that is bigger than the Galactic Civil War (sorry Rocketgirl, but it is whistling ) that takes the Jedi/Sith conflict but doesn't become the typical saber battle.

In fact, the only downside (though it is a huge one) is that it could be very hard and expensive to shoot.

As for stories set in the GCW era...here's one set before it, in "The Dark Times":

Runner

Set during the Jedi Purge, it tells the story of a Jedi who, finds himself on a nameless world, hiding in plain sight and trying to blend in with the population as Imperial Elite Forces search the galaxy, hunting down and killing any Jedi they find.

Having gotten rid of his lightsaber to avoid any outward signs of his Jedi-status, our hero finds himself living a new life with a poor, but kind family, even falling in love as the ways of the Jedi Code become a distant memory.

But when he is recognised by a former Republic diplomat turned imperial propagandist, he can only watch in horror as Imperial troops drag the ones he has grown to care about on to the street, executing them in public for being jedi sympathisers and traitors. So he's forced to run, across the city with a blaster on his hip and the Force as his ally as Imperial troops descend on him.

 

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