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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/7 9:50am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Jedsithor posted: Really? I always saw Piett as a guy who didn't care about anything except being in the right place at the right time to get promoted I look into his eyes at that moment, tho, and I see bewilderment. I see utter astonishment that he has somehow been bumped from captain to admiral in one go (we aren't told which kind of admiral, but on Vader's flag ship, he has to have at least been bumped past commodore, rear admiral, probably even vice admiral, clear up to full admiral, perhaps even fleet admiral...that's a hell of a promotion! According to Wookieepedia, Ozzel was Fleet Admiral, so chances are good that that was the lofty rank Captain Piett was handed by Vader. Crazy, huh?). At the same time, tho...I also see the look of a man who really doesn't want to be doing what he's doing, but has no way out. It's just a feeling...nothing concrete. But I've always gotten that vibe off of Piett. Even if it's not him, a story--even a fan film--about an Imperial officer who became an officer during the Republic and wasn't purged because of his low rank, who then rose through the ranks in the Empire while secretly wishing to be free of the oppressive force he's unwillingly and unwittingly become a part of, would be a story I'd love to see! -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five "Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?" "We gotta go to the crappy town where I'M a hero!"
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keithabbott Registered: Aug '98	Date Posted: 1/7 11:04am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/7 11:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: keithabbott
	I don't always agree with RocketGirl but I could care less about a Jedi vs Sith war fan film. The whole era doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm all up for more films about the Rebellion personally. The whole Jedi/Sith thing has gotten extremely overdone. -----signature----- Producer, Rise of Nobility: http://www.starwarsfanworks.com/riseofnobility.html Sound Engineer: Eclipse SE, Return of Pink Five volumes 2-3, Star Wars: A Rising Threat Personal: http://www.myspace.com/keithabbott TK1210, Garrison Tyranus
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/7 11:06am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	keithabbott posted: I don't always agree with RocketGirl but I could care less about a Jedi vs Sith war fan film. The whole era doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm all up for more films about the Rebellion personally. The whole Jedi/Sith thing has gotten extremely overdone. Okay, granted, I'm the greatest pro-Rebellion fan film advocate on TFN--quite possibly in existence--but you really didn't have to mention me there; make your opinions your own, dude. Just sayin'. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five "Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?" "We gotta go to the crappy town where I'M a hero!"
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keithabbott Registered: Aug '98	Date Posted: 1/7 11:19am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/7 11:21am (2 edits total) Edited By: keithabbott
	It is/was/has been my opinion for so long ago I've forgotten when I was first turned off by the old Jedi/Sith in the woods fan film. I've also been on these boards for so long, I gotta be older than I feel. Good grief I'm coming up on my 10 year anniversary. RocketGirl posted: keithabbott posted: I don't always agree with RocketGirl but I could care less about a Jedi vs Sith war fan film. The whole era doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm all up for more films about the Rebellion personally. The whole Jedi/Sith thing has gotten extremely overdone. Okay, granted, I'm the greatest pro-Rebellion fan film advocate on TFN--quite possibly in existence--but you really didn't have to mention me there; make your opinions your own, dude. Just sayin'. -----signature----- Producer, Rise of Nobility: http://www.starwarsfanworks.com/riseofnobility.html Sound Engineer: Eclipse SE, Return of Pink Five volumes 2-3, Star Wars: A Rising Threat Personal: http://www.myspace.com/keithabbott TK1210, Garrison Tyranus
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/7 11:40am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	I wasn't actually planning on having a massive Jedi/Sith battle at the END... I was thinking something along the lines of how gladiator did their battle early, then focused on the characters later. Again, I was just throwing ideas out there to get the minds workin. OR... we could have it intercut like George Lucas did in ROTS with order 66. Show dramatic battle footage of Jedi and Sith going at it. That is where the idea that people could shoot their own battles and sumbit them for consideration to be cut into the movie. Ideas. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/7 11:44am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	backdeskproductions posted: OR... we could have it intercut like George Lucas did in ROTS with order 66. That was an aspect of ROTS--and the prequels in general--that really failed for me. It felt way impersonal...I never really felt like I got to know most of the Jedi who died in Order 66; mostly, Ki-Adi-Mundi was the only one who died in it that I knew much about at all from the films, and even then I didn't know much. So when the Jedi were dying off, I just didn't feel inspired to care much. Now, if you have a double-wide buttload of characters getting their bottoms kicked AFTER we get to know them and care about them, you could have a very dramatic scene, there. But otherwise...meh. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five "Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?" "We gotta go to the crappy town where I'M a hero!"
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/7 12:44pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	That's why any sort of massive lightsaber battle (no matter where in the film it's placed) won't work if they're just a bunch of nameless, faceless characters. Besides, I think quality is more important than quantity. A duel between just two people who we've gotten to know and care about is far better than a massive battle between people we don't even know. Of course, it is possible to do a massive battle and have it work, but it's not easy because you have to make the audience care about the characters. Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. It takes more than simply tacking on some hackneyed backstory as an afterthought. Speaking of afterthoughts, I think we need to build the movie from the ground up and make all the characters interesting. What I don't want to see is a formula Jedi/Sith war story that has non-Jedi characters thrown in as a afterthought. I'm not altogether opposed to the idea of doing something on the era of the Sith War, but only if we can come up with something that tells a good story and has a variety of characters that aren't just sterotype cut-outs. We don't want to just just throw in a Han Solo rogue/smuggler/scoundrel copy, along with standard grizzled Bounty Hunter, the standard Jedi Master and his troubled young Apprentice who is temped by the dark side, and your standard super evil Sith Lord who wears dark clothes and enjoys killing random people. All the characters should be unique individuals. If we make a bounty hunter, he should not for instance simply be Boba Fett with a different name and in a different costume. Also, the overall plot of the story needs to be built from the ground up. Think ruthlessly; don't rule out something Jedi related, but don't force it in either. In fact, I think that if there is some sort of Jedi/Sith war related plot, it should be a subplot of a larger whole (something that doesn't focus on Jedi/Sith). I also think that we need to toss a lot of widely varying ideas around, from widely different time periods. We should come up with ideas for the OT/Alliance Period, the New Republic period, the old republic period (as in, thousands of years before TPM type of thing), from the Sith War period, etc, etc, etc. Then, we can choose from among the best, and follow that (I'm sure some of the ideas could be combined to make a nice, arching story). That way we consider more possibilities. Characters should also be discussed. My personal preference is that we do actually use Jedi in some way, but again only if it's not more of the same. If we can't come up with something original in that way, then I think the whole Jedi thing probably should be dumped. I'd just prefer not to see them excluded entirely, simply because they are an important part of the whole of SW. Only thing I don't want to see if a standard Jedi story. Oh, and please, no superweapons. That has to be the biggest sci-fi cliche there is. Just making a bigger, badder, more dangerous weapon is not originality (bigger doesn't = better). The concept of making a superweapon to beat all others that came before is so completely un-original that it generally makes the whole plot insanely lame. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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EighteenDelta Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 1/7 1:31pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	While I understand the interest in the Sith-Jedi, I have personally seen enough of it. I agree that there is a huge star wars universe of options out there to choose from that are equally interesting and retain infinitely more mystery and grandeur. There are times before the PT, there are times after the OT, then there are the times between the two trilogies. There is the rim that leaves a great deal of exploring, the History of the core. There are Smugglers, Pilots, Bounty hunters, Mercs, Pirates, Politicians and Soldiers. There are Humans, Twileks, gungans, jawas, ewoks, etc... (wookiepedia lists near 2500 species/races). More than 3800 planets. Innumerable guilds, political organizations, religious groups, factions, criminal organizations and so forth. If we can't find something more interesting than this one long standing grudge to remake over and over, then perhaps we need to reexamine things. Lets talk ideas that are new and interesting. If you really think you have something to make the Sith-Jedi conflict interesting, by all means give it a shot, don't let me or anyone else deter you from that(you may find trouble enlisting help from others still) Best of luck with all your ideas. -x
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DVCPRO-HDeditor Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 1/7 1:45pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/7 1:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DVCPRO-HDeditor
	Jace Taran posted: your standard super evil Sith Lord who wears dark clothes and enjoys killing random people. That's why I'm rather fond of Darth Vectivus, myself. He was a shrewd but fair man, and even as a dark-sider, his self discipline and preexisting business ethics allowed him to remain fair and balanced, without succumbing to the lure of power. I'd like to see a Dark Lord who goes through 80% of the film as a sort of supporting character, with no real glimpse of his hidden nature. Perhaps even killing him would trigger a series of events that would destabilize the rest of the galaxy, and the heroes are forced to let him live, as his existence is truly the lesser of two evils . . . . somehow. Sometimes killing a tyrant and thus destabilizing a region can have endless ramifications. EighteenDelta posted: Lets talk ideas that are new and interesting. Okay, how about an Imperial officer is given orders that conflict with his personal moral code. He knows that, if he defies those orders, he will face a court martial and possible execution. But if he follows those orders, he will never be able to forgive himself. What about a Rebel agent who suffers from some of the same doubts that I've brought up in this thread? He begins to wonder if he's really on the right side. Some of his orders seem excessively violent, and endanger civilians - even though they accomplish a "greater good." How about a smuggler during the Galactic Civil War just trying to earn a living, as legally as possible, without taking sides in the War? Eventually, everyone has to choose a side. Maybe the Imperial agent and the Rebel agent end up accidentally booking passage at the same time on the smuggler's ship, trying to leave the war behind them. There's hardly even a need to ever mention "Jedi," "Force" or "lightsaber" in a story like that. Just sayin'. -----signature----- Editing out of the dailies. http://artists.ultimate-guitar.com/projectfreunleven/music/albums/321447 How about a magic trick? I can make a pencil disappear.
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/7 3:50pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	The problem with doing things in the period of the rebellion is that NOW there is going to be a Star Wars Television show which is going to show a lot of what happens between 3 and 4... then the old trilogy stories... then the New Republic... then it goes on and on... ideas are becoming increasingly limited in that area. With things set back as far as 2000 years, there are ENDLESS stories to tell. It would be interesting to see the Golden Age of the Sith fall apart. It would be interesting to see how the Republic was actually formed. (Personally I like the idea of independent systems joining together because they need help rebuilding after such a devestating war. We can have a plot about that. We must become emotionally connected to the characters to have any sort of effect. We need action... trust me... Hidalgo was NO TREAT in the movies. We need good vs bad. We need comedy relief, maybe a comic character. These are some of the elements that can help to make up a good story. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/7 3:52pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	No matter what timeline you choose, there is something that likely fills it, either canon or EU. I don't see why the TV series means that we can't or shouldn't bother to create a story in that timeframe. I'm certainly not set on it, but I see no reason to discard it just because of the TV show. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/7 4:23pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/7 4:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RocketGirl
	backdeskproductions posted: The problem with doing things in the period of the rebellion is that NOW there is going to be a Star Wars Television show which is going to show a lot of what happens between 3 and 4... then the old trilogy stories... then the New Republic... then it goes on and on... ideas are becoming increasingly limited in that area. With things set back as far as 2000 years, there are ENDLESS stories to tell. See, I disagree. I think you can tell many more stories about the trials and tribulations of people caught up in a war--whether they're combatants, civilians, victims, war profiteers, arms runners, covert operatives, politicians, etc--than you ever can about Jedi, Sith, and the Force. The timeline is actually quite irrelevant; one timeline seems to be much like another in Star Wars. What really matters is your focus. It seems to me that you're much more concerned with the macro-story than the micro-story; from your posts, I gather that you want to write about epic events, historical happenings...and less about the people involved in them. For my own fan film, I just took a tiny slice of the Rebellion and told the story of that...and it seemed to come together rather well, and helped me focus on the people involved. Look at the OT: we have a smallish team of good guys and bad guys around whom huge events turn, yes, but the story is really about THEM. I look at the things you talk about--the forming of the Republic, the Sith falling, etc--and it seems a lot less about the people and a lot more about history. I think, no offense, that that's a mistake. There's a metric crap-ton of stories you can tell about absolutely ANYTHING, so long as you remember to write about people caught up in events rather than events that happen to involve people. So, no, I don't think that stories set during the Galactic Civil war are becoming limited...unless what you're judging by are which EVENTS to cover, and that once an event has been covered, it's no longer worth covering yourself. A fan film shouldn't be about Star Wars history or the Star Wars timeline, a fan film should be about exploring the GFFA...including looking at events we already know about from a different perspective. For example, imagine this: Alderaan blows up. As it does, surely there were dozens of ships leaving and entering the atmosphere. Sure SOME of those ships were far enough away to survive the blast...all of a sudden you have dumploads of stories to tell: those who made it, those who didn't; those whose ships were damaged and needed to be rescued; those whose ships were not hyperspace-capable, those whose weren't; rescue attempts; grief; families shattered; deciding where to go afterward; joining the Rebellion in revenge despite Alderaan's stance of non-violence; going into hiding, scared to death of the Empire, etc... there's endless possibilities right there. And that's just one tiny event in the whole Star Wars Saga that you could tell stories about. If you think you're running out of stories to tell in the GFFA in ANY time period...I"m sorry, but either your imagination is broken, or you've confined yourself to a very specific box of the type of story you're willing to tell. No offense meant, but...well, I think in your case it's the latter; you seem to want to tell a very specific kind of story, and think that if that aspect of Star Wars has been covered by someone else or some other medium, it's no longer worth exploring. And that is so far beyond untrue, I'm not sure I'm capable of expressing it. Just sayin'... EDIT: Jace Taran posted: No matter what timeline you choose, there is something that likely fills it, either canon or EU. I don't see why the TV series means that we can't or shouldn't bother to create a story in that timeframe. I'm certainly not set on it, but I see no reason to discard it just because of the TV show. That's exactly what I said...only shorter. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five "Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?" "We gotta go to the crappy town where I'M a hero!"
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/7 4:35pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Shall we take a tally on who wants what time period? This is a fans movie... not My movie. I am only getting this thing started. I will only oversee the production of the film when it comes time, I wont direct it.... maybe. It's almost time for the fans to choose which time period to do the story on. That can then narrow it down a bit. It's hard to choose a possible story from a span of thousands of years. Maybe we should just make episodes 7, 8, 9. We dont have to have Han, Luke and Leia unless anyone in the fans network has contact to Harrison, Mark and Carrie. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/7 4:39pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Well, I think you already know my vote; +1 for the GCW time period. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five "Lectroids? Planet 10? Nuclear extortion? A girl named 'John'?" "We gotta go to the crappy town where I'M a hero!"
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/7 7:03pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Is that a common acronym? Because I didn't recognize it. The only reason I figured it out was because I remembered some of your recent posts (GCW=Galactic Civil War). However, it was not an obvious thing to see. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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