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Jedsithor
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6/26 10:35pm
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Well he has physical contact with BOT, the bounty hunters and the doctor...that's pretty much the main cast right there.
As for what species he should be, well I wrote him as a human smuggler down on his luck, a guy who will take anything he can get. Also he is seen drinking, so there would be no point to him wearing a helmet. Plus he says a lot with his facial expressions, a glance here, a look there etc
My original intention was to have Larson and Bot split up once they reached Bestine...they'd get thrown in jail and BOT would meet someone else there who would take him back to Naboo once they escaped. Of course, that wasn't part of my segment and the other writers took it in a different direction.
If you guys decide to go with my ending, then Larson is going to end up interacting with the family as well. Even if you don't, the story will still run smoother with one main crew and a couple of second units to shoot inserts and the Star Destroyer stuff.
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Vidina
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And, on that note, how are things going on your end, sir?
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It's goin' really great, it's goin' really great. I've been bendin' the sound-...
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I've got a team of about 20 people. More are to come, but I've put everyone on hold. I don't want anyone looking up to do a project as huge as this until we've actually got something to do. So far, I have 4 3d artists that are very capable of modelling (one of them is the concept artist, Eivind Andvig, and his brother Asbjorn is also on), but as I said, the project is currently on hold for me.
When it comes to vfx, I have a very capable crew, believe me. I've not included anyone that just said "I want to join". I've been doing recruitments everywhere, and narrowed it down to people who are volunteering to help, but still have impressive reels.
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backdeskproductions
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6/27 12:28pm
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Vidina, can you start a BOT test and a possible Larson test as a CG character? I just want to see the pre-viz. 
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LLL
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Date Posted:
6/27 6:26pm
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I meant "in the same location with the same characters" in that last post I made.
Our A/C broke and it was 100 degrees. My brain was frying like an egg...
@ Vidina: Wow. That's really impressive!! 
While hashing over this Larson thing: Bear in mind, we DO have the option of asking Writers Number Three and Four to rewrite. Ish is fast and so is RX.
I'm really overwhelmed with the type and quality of support this project is getting. Whatever you guys decide needs to be done with the script, we in Resource will do everything we can to get it there for you.
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backdeskproductions
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LLL posted:
I meant "in the same location with the same characters" in that last post I made.
Our A/C broke and it was 100 degrees. My brain was frying like an egg...
@ Vidina: Wow. That's really impressive!!
While hashing over this Larson thing: Bear in mind, we DO have the option of asking Writers Number Three and Four to rewrite. Ish is fast and so is RX.
I'm really overwhelmed with the type and quality of support this project is getting. Whatever you guys decide needs to be done with the script, we in Resource will do everything we can to get it there for you.
ah, everyones getting cheery!!
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backdeskproductions
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Did everyone get a good chance to read the script over in the other forum? Awaiting ideas, responses and other comments.
Proposals to fix The "Larson Problem".
-rewrite.
-greenscreen larson (live action).
-CG Larson as a different species.
Ideas here? 
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drewjmore
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The story needs a Larson-reduction re-write. I like all of the situations we've found the BOT in so far. The problem is that we have a supporting character with too much face-time in the overall arc. If the script can be tailored back to the original specs, the multi-regional aspect of this project can be maintained with the least overall effort.
A CG Larson is a bad idea. CG is not easy: digital doubles are hard to do well, moreso digital characters and especially digital human characters...they will alwyas look fake, although it is possible to throw money and time (neither of which we have an excess of, afaik) at that problem and make them look less fake. Fan-film projects most often fall down because they rely too much on CG effects. Good CG artists are the least likely individuals to volunteer their time: their talents have a high current market value and they know it.
Green-screening a live-action Larson could work, IMO. However, if that's the case why do we need to have a CG droid? We could just get a droid costume and chroma that into the other crew's footage, cutting out hundreds or thousands more CG artists' hours. Larson and the droid could be filmed by a single crew, or by two separate crews and comp'ed together. In theory the ships could be scale models and we'd have no need at all for CG content, just 'filmed' elements and our favorite editing packages.
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ElectroFilms
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Just checking in to see where you're at.
Is there a link to the script?
I've read some parts in the Fan Fic. forum.
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backdeskproductions
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drewjmore posted:
The story needs a Larson-reduction re-write. I like all of the situations we've found the BOT in so far. The problem is that we have a supporting character with too much face-time in the overall arc. If the script can be tailored back to the original specs, the multi-regional aspect of this project can be maintained with the least overall effort.
A CG Larson is a bad idea. CG is not easy: digital doubles are hard to do well, moreso digital characters and especially digital human characters...they will alwyas look fake, although it is possible to throw money and time (neither of which we have an excess of, afaik) at that problem and make them look less fake. Fan-film projects most often fall down because they rely too much on CG effects. Good CG artists are the least likely individuals to volunteer their time: their talents have a high current market value and they know it.
Green-screening a live-action Larson could work, IMO. However, if that's the case why do we need to have a CG droid? We could just get a droid costume and chroma that into the other crew's footage, cutting out hundreds or thousands more CG artists' hours. Larson and the droid could be filmed by a single crew, or by two separate crews and comp'ed together. In theory the ships could be scale models and we'd have no need at all for CG content, just 'filmed' elements and our favorite editing packages.
If writers have no problem rewriting, then thats fine with me.
But if we wanted to save the writers from those rewrites, that's why I proposed a CG Larson.
I am completely against green screening main characters into the film. (unless the scene calls for green screen of course)
BUT scale models would be perfect. I would love to save some CG artists time.
I have no objections there.
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Well, but...
...that's the whole reason I started this discussion. So we could, in fact, rewrite the film so it would be filmable.
That is what we're here for, after all.
You guys know better what you need than we do. I don't know crap about filmmaking.
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DVCPRO-HDeditor
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6/30 8:18pm
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I believe that the easiest thing to do, from a "filmie" standpoint, would be to reduce Larson's role. Maybe another character could be added to take his place at some point?
I'm not a writer, I'm a musician. Which reminds me, I've got a few ideas on what to do for the "background music" in any catina scenes . . . . 
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backdeskproductions
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Ok. Because the CG/Greenscreen debate is really got going anywhere, and the writers seem to have no problem rewriting... I think a rewrite is needed.
Like I said, the CG idea was only to save the writers from those rewrites. If Larson was going to be with CG BOT all the time, then it would only suit Larson to be CG as well. But the writers are willing to rewrite... so I say
Rewrite.
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WHAT'S HAPPENING! 7/1/08
Well, the consensus has been reached: The script is unfilmable, and we have to rewrite.
I've already started crankin' up the process over in Resource. It didn't seem fair not to let the original writers have the option to rewrite their parts first, so we're waiting to hear whether Ish and RX are gonna take a crack at it or not.
My understanding is that the Naboo parts (the very very beginning and the very very end) can be filmed by a single crew and together will constitute a sort of broken-up Part One. Larson is introduced on Naboo. But I think, I think, I think that will be OK, because he doesn't show up at the family home, or the droid workshop where BOT goes. Every place Larson shows up is a new set we didn't see in Part One, and the droid can be "drawn" in. Am I right?
Is this correct?
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DVCPRO-HDeditor
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LLL posted:
Larson is introduced on Naboo. But I think, I think, I think that will be OK, because he doesn't show up at the family home, or the droid workshop where BOT goes. Every place Larson shows up is a new set we didn't see in Part One, and the droid can be "drawn" in. Am I right?
That seems to fit, yes.
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backdeskproductions
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Bot is CG so "drawing in" would be a "correct" phrase.
Rewrites are actually always necessary in filmmaking. It is advised, actually.
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