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RocketGirl  4898 posts
Registered: Jun '02
19660_Fan films - Pink Five
Date Posted: 1/8/08 10:55am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Okay, how's this? I know people are gonna want to get the Force in play at some point in this thing, much as I'd rather focus on the Alliance/New Republic stuff. And if we set this bad boy in the GCW era, well, Jedi and Sith aren't too possible.

Well, there's a concept I've been throwing around in my head for a while that I was planning to use for a sequel to my own fan film...but given how much work this has been and that I really don't want to make something that I can't copyright ever again if it's gonna be THAT much work, I'm gonna throw it out there and see if it sticks:

During the Empire's reign, there's obviously precious few Jedi and Sith wandering around, so it seems obvious that the person who uses the Force would have to be someone who is neither. This could be a Force-sensitive who finds, oh, I don't know, a book on Force-use in some refuse pile or estate sale or something, and starts trying to practice what is contained within, unlocking their Force potential. But with no Jedi for guidance, and given that the Dark side is easier and more seductive, this character falls to the Dark side quite unwittingly.

So, rather cunningly, this character decides to find an apprentice, to pass on what her or she has learned, and ends up befriending someone whose home WAS Alderaan...until the Empire blew it up. This Alderaan survivor is bitter at its destruction, of course, and wants revenge, but is conflicted because Alerdaan was a world of peace, so getting violent revenge upon the Empire for the destruction of a pacifist world is pretty contradictory. And, alas, this Alderaan survivor happens to be Force-sensitive.
So the Dark sider befriends this Alderaan survivor, claiming to be from Alderaan themselves, and they talk about how wrong it was that the Empire destroyed it. They join the Rebellion to fight against the Empire, and in doing so, find themselves killing a lot of Stormtroopers.

Before each battle, the Dark sider kind of "psyches up" the Alderaan survivor, recommending that one keep Alderaan in mind when killing these Imperials, to remember every one of the family members lost, to focus one's aggression upon their murderers...obviously, this Dark sider is trying to get the Alderaan survivor to use the Force in anger, to secretly train the Survivor in the Dark side principles. (It might be best if we don't KNOW the Dark sider's past at first, of course, so that this next scene I'm about to describe is a serious "Ah-hah!" moment.)
So, before one of these attacks on Imperials, the Dark sider does the usual, "Okay, get psyched up! Remember Alderaan!" routine, but then says, "But first, here...use this," ...and hands the Survivor a lightsaber. The Survivor ignites it...and the blade is red.

Now, of course, the Survivor needs friends, other Rebels who, upon discovering a Dark Jedi (though not, technically, a Sith) in their midst, try to first talk the Survivor out of it, and then realize they'll have to fight. In fact, I like the idea that this Survivor has an X-wing wingman who genuinely believes in the Force, while the Survivor is more of a Han Solo type, and they argue about it in the barracks or something. So when the Survivor begins using the Force, it's a revelation.

And I rather love the idea of a member of the Rebellion being a Dark sider, and using that power against the Imperials; the idea being that the Dark side knows no loyalties, not even to itself. Delicious irony, in its own way.

Now how's THAT for a story, folks? It's got everything: the Rebellion, the Force, lightsabers, X-wings, Stormtroopers...I don't think you could ask for much more, you know? Maybe a clone or two. Heh.
This was GOING to be the sequel to my own fan film--the character that I voice, Tarid, is that Alderaan survivor, and allusions are made in The Last Remnants to that conflict between a pacifist past and the desire for revenge--but...aw, heck, I know I'm never gonna make that darn sequel. So I put this story out there for your consideration...I think it could work.

 

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Registered: Oct '04
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 10:59am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
RocketGirl posted:
Now how's THAT for a story, folks? It's got everything: the Rebellion, the Force, lightsabers, X-wings, Stormtroopers...I don't think you could ask for much more, you know? Maybe a clone or two. Heh.


You forgot the most precious piece of all: A forest.


Haha.

 
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RocketGirl  4898 posts
Registered: Jun '02
19660_Fan films - Pink Five
Date Posted: 1/8/08 11:05am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
HERODA posted:
RocketGirl posted:
Now how's THAT for a story, folks? It's got everything: the Rebellion, the Force, lightsabers, X-wings, Stormtroopers...I don't think you could ask for much more, you know? Maybe a clone or two. Heh.


You forgot the most precious piece of all: A forest.


Haha.


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Laszlo  1546 posts
Registered: Nov '06
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 11:42am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
RocketGirl posted:
Okay, how's this? I know people are gonna want to get the Force in play at some point in this thing, much as I'd rather focus on the Alliance/New Republic stuff. And if we set this bad boy in the GCW era, well, Jedi and Sith aren't too possible.
...

This would require a new thread, to begin with.

 

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madhorizons  924 posts
Registered: May '06
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 11:47am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
I think if there were an interesting take on the Jedi/Sith fan film, it could prove interesting. For the most part, we have Jedi meets Sith, they fight, Jedi is tempted by the Dark Side but overcomes it to win OR succumbs to win OR while dealing with the internal moral dilemma is killed by the Sith.

Woopie-doo. rolling_eyes


Can always be something that comes along that's worse than the both of them and they have to team up to conquer something, else everything goes bye bye.

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
Registered: Jun '02
19660_Fan films - Pink Five
Date Posted: 1/8/08 12:02pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Laszlo posted:
RocketGirl posted:
Okay, how's this? I know people are gonna want to get the Force in play at some point in this thing, much as I'd rather focus on the Alliance/New Republic stuff. And if we set this bad boy in the GCW era, well, Jedi and Sith aren't too possible.
...

This would require a new thread, to begin with.


Oh, for the love of Wilbur...! My whole point was to present a scenario in which we could have a Force-user who is neither Luke, Ben, Yoda, Vader, or the Emperor without mortally wounding continuity, and you want to nit-pick me to death? Hell, you should be glad I'm presenting a scenario involving Force-users at all, ya chowdermonkey! tongue

Now, I've postulated a plotline that could satisfy just about everybody--except hardcore Clone Wars fans, I guess--and I think it deserves an honest comment, don't you?

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
Registered: Aug '07
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 2:40pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
We could take all plot lines and mix and match them into one final plot. (like my bad dream movie)
All of them are pretty good. Irony, Suspense, Action, Tragedy, Comedy, and Drama should all be mixed into a plot. That's some of the things that makes a great story for a film. Also, we need the best CG, Visual FX, Special FX, Sound FX, Cinematography, Locations...etc... that this film could buy... or supply. (We don't want to put too much money into this. It's best to use what we already have for a project of this size.)



This film is also for people who are all over the country, or even the world, that have the ability to send their battles or clips over email. Also, for those who will be doing CG, Visual FX, Sound FX and most definately Compositing...email is a MUST.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
Registered: May '00
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 3:19pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/8/08 3:24pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
Things like FX and sound and CG can be done internationally, but not the cinematography. If you try to do international cinematography, you have to do one of two things: Make people travel (which we can rule out instantly because of sheer cost, not to mention insane scheduling problems), or you have to film people separately and combine the takes together.

The second option, while it may sound like a neat idea at first, is fraught with it's own practical issues. One of them is the acting; it's hard to give a good acting performance if you don't have the other actor(s) there to react from (reaction is part of an acting performance).

It's also hard simply due to timing of events (referring here to how the actors time their actions/words, not scheduling). This is related to the problem I just mentioned, only instead of causing acting performance problems, it causes practical shooting/editing issues as you have to make sure that the different actors lines/actions/etc don't overlap (ie, did actor A pause long enough between lines to allow actor B's line to fit in between). Making the two separately filmed scenes match up properly would be tricky.

It also means extensive bluescreening. That means extra work (not doing it bluescreen would be even harder, because you'd have to completely roto around one of the subjects frame-by-frame in order to insert him/her into the final scene).

The final thing that makes this option less glamourous is that each of the separate film crews filming the different actors would likely have different equipment, which might further complicate things (the various source footage clips might not have the same settings or the same lighting or color temperature or whatever).

The only feasible way to do the cinematography is to have one film crew doing it in one location where they're all local/accesible to each other (ie, within a reasonable traveling distance, like an hour or so drive or something like that). That includes any personnel that need to be on set (camera operators, actors, lighting techs, etc)

Not that international cinemetography couldn't have it's uses. For instance, international crews could all go out and film locations. By that I don't mean having the actors there or anything like that. I mean things like establishing shots and background plates and stuff like that, where the regular film crew (actors, directors, etc) don't have to be there. If there are any subjects/actors filmed in the scene, they would simply be extras. Real movie productions do that sort of thing all the time. For instance, a Hollywood film production might send a location-shooting crew to go to New York to film establishing shots of the city if the movie is meant to take place there. They might do all of the main scenes involving the actors on a set, but the use of real shots of the city helps sell the illusion that the movie really is happening there.

 

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bgii_2000  2599 posts
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Date Posted: 1/8/08 11:45pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
With the "Grand Fan Film" inevitably one production team is going to have to take on the majority of the work, because the film might involve many, equally difficult effects shots, but it only involves a FEW main characters. Characters played by actors who cannot jet set around the globe turning in performances. Even if money where no object (which it isn't) or if perhaps one of our members was a pilot who was willing to fly the actors around the world for free, there is still the difficulty of unifying the cinematography. This might be doable in a multi million dollar production in which a single director can teleconference with handpicked DoP's shooting around the world on identical equipment, review HD dailies instantly from his home, and visit the individual sets periodically (Peter Jackson did just that for LOTR). But in our world, this is NOT gonna happen. You can tell yourself that Skype and yousendit.com will carry you just as far as it did Jackson, and it's true that there exist free services to make this sort of collaboration possible. However, there does not exist within this community enough dedicated, complete production crews (or plane tickets for actors) to complete filming in this manner. So, for lack of actor transport, and lack of unified crews, the bulk of the production (not post- or pre- mind you) falls to one production team. backdeskproductions, I have a sinking suspicion that you don't intend to personally lead that crew.

Taking stock of the situation, you've stated that you have an idea for a fan film. An idea that will end up being produced by someone other than yourself. The resultant film will then be polished by VFX persons from around the world who don't have anything better to do because, according to you, "it's what they DO." Simply put what this boils down to is a "Make my film for me" thread. However, I don't think you intended it maliciously as some did in the heyday of such threads, and I agree that cooperation could perhaps spur a resurgence in the popularity of Fan Filming.

I propose a new idea, in two parts.

First, take the responsibility for the story to our vast Fan Fiction community. Either negotiate the use of a previously published story, or commission the creation of a new one. This is simply because there are more good story writers in the Fan Fiction community than there are in the Fan Films community. This doesn't have to be done, but it frees us from arguing over the story (which is not supposed to be the point of this thread, but has taken up the last 3 pages.)

Second, rather than using the story as a framework for one, Grand Fan Film of the Republic, use the story as a framework for a series of separate films, all by different producers, all set within the same story (similar to the "BMW Films").

It'd be a "Tales of the..." sort of thing. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing different visions of the same story, provided that they were separate films. The main difficulty would be doling out who got to produce what part of the story. It would be much less of concern however. There would basically have to be a committee or executive producer of sorts who regulated the films. This entity would not have direct control over the individual productions but rather would regulate which teams made which stories. There would have to be a method for choosing a team to produce a particular story. The teams would either compete for a story directly, or be assigned one based on some criteria.

Actually this all sounds pretty ridiculous. I'm pretty much positive that this thread is all hot air. But it's worth a try anyway.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 12:02am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 12:06am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
bgii_2000 posted:
I'm pretty much positive that this thread is all hot air.


Then I say we take that hot air, use it to fill a balloon, and raise ourselves up to the clouds. grin

Seriously though, for the most part the arguing over story vs action is pretty much done, and now people are just tossing ideas around. Perhaps compromises were simply beaten out of people on both sides, but the arguing over whether it should be Jedi-focused or not has been decided, mostly. Besides, the "argument" never got out of hand, it's actually managed to stay remarkable civil (surprising, considering how poorly other such arguments have turned out in the past).

Not that I object to taking anything over to the fan fiction forum; I'd just like to help out a little more with the whole creative process/story writing thing, and I fear that we (fan film community) won't have very much input into the story if we simply hand it off to someone else. Besides, in doing that there's always the concern that the fan fic community may decide to write up the sort of Jedi story that RG hates, and the whole argument will begin again from square one. I'd just prefer to see what the community here can come up with first.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 7:46am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 7:57am (4 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
I CAN lead the production with the main characters... the problem with that is... in my area, there are too few who would commit to it. I know for a fact that in other areas, proven by your own fan films, finding the relatively small cast would not be difficult. BUT... if it comes down to it... I will lead the production with the main characters.
The idea was that all of the characters would be filmed in one region, close to their homes. Whether it's one city, one state or one county. It doesn't matter. Just make sure they dont have to travel too far. It can be done. It's been done before.


I'm not saying that this is ALL my project. This was an idea I got after seeing the topic which debated if fan films were dying.


Also, is a movie made by one person? NO! If I were to make MY movie without anyone's help... I'm pretty sure it would suck. It's a team effort, and anyone discussing in these forums should already know that. I'm not saying that a film made by myself would be horrible, but what I AM saying is that one of this scale would suck if it were only made by me. How can the 'biggest fan film ever' be made by one person? It doesn't make sense.


Anyway, the discussion will stay in the fan films forum because after all, it is about finding a story for a fan film. Not a book. The whole production of this film will be discussed on THIS forum.


The way I see it, bgii_2000, you are starting an argument... we wouldn't want to take up three more pages would we?
Anything else I can defend?

 

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Funk-E  14594 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 7:56am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
There's been a couple other threads almost exactly like this in the past, and nothing ever came of 'em. IMHO, this is just too big of an idea to work--you're better off with face-to-face networking in your own area.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 7:58am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Funk-E posted:
There's been a couple other threads almost exactly like this in the past, and nothing ever came of 'em. IMHO, this is just too big of an idea to work--you're better off with face-to-face networking in your own area.


no.

 

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EighteenDelta  171 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 7:59am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
backdeskproductions posted:
I CAN lead the production with the main characters... the problem with that is... in my area, there are too few who would commit to it.


Where is your area again? Have you checked the fan force boards for a group in your area? You may find more than you expected.

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 8:02am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 8:35am (1 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
So here's the deal... we will figure out a story, then start the real fun of pre production immediately. I will require a crew mainly for post production. Also, when the story is done, everyone can start shooting their battle scenes. Please shoot in 16:9.

FOR YOUR BATTLE SCENES... make sure you get an opening shot to establish the location and the actions taking place.

 

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