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DarthIshtar
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I still thank that we should use the tribute.
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LLL
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We don't have to. It was just that nobody had the faintest clue what to name this droid, and I had a four letter name that had some sentimental value.
Anyone who wants to nominate another name, please feel free.
I'm only going by what backdesk says, who started the thread and is of the opinion that it currently isn't filmable because too many of the same characters are needed on sets that aren't going to be remotely close to one another. He pulled me in here and is closest to being the person in charge. When I have to make a script fit to order, I have to ask somebody what to do, and that person would be him.
However, if you have some ideas as to how the current version could be done on the budget and resources we have, please share.
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Jedsithor
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I've already said how I would do it. Yes it requires a change and we would need 4 or 5 crews, but it is doable. This is a collaborative project, right? The whole idea is to have multiple crews. And yes, it will require some more work...but to be frank, that's a good thing. This should be the best film it can possibly be and if the production side isn't up to that, then I'd rather not see it made than have a half-assed movie that was severely compromised because it was hard.
I understand that this is a fan film and that budgets are going to be small and that we won't have Oscar winners in the roles...but we should still try to make it the best film it can be and if we can't do that then what's the point?
It's going to be 2 or 3 years before the film sees the light of day and if we're all going to commit to that timeframe, then we should go all the way. The whole idea of sacrificing story to meet the needs of the production sickens me quite frankly. Story is paramount. There is nothing more important. Compromises have to be made, I know that...but doing it before the film crews have even been assembled and have a chance to figure out what they can and can't do is ridiculous.
I probably sound angry, I don't mean to. I just want it to be the best it can be, as I'm sure we all do.
What needs to be done is simple...we need to get a script together and work out what we need crew-wise from the script. Then we get the crews together and let them go through the script and figure out what they can do, what will be difficult and what will be impossible. And do that with every crew, with the whole script.
Then assign the crews to the sections of the story that they will be most effective in doing. And then work with each crew to sort out any remaining problems...if changes are needed for the script, that's when we do it.
Everyone is thinking of the script as being in 5 parts because there are 4 separate writers (and some of us probably working together for the finale). It may have been written by different people, but it's still just one script. Don't divide it up based on who wrote what. Divide it based on what the story demands.
As for droid names...uh...how about:
SEN-3 (Sentry)or ZEN-3 (Zentry) as a variation?
SP-1M doesn't work because droid names are based on how they are pronounced...so Sp-1m wouldn't be Spim, it would be sponem (pronounced spwonm).
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Jedsithor
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Ok, here's a test for the opening crawl. The text obviously isn't final as it hasn't been decided by anyone yet.
http://www.vimeo.com/1538212
Sorry about the crude planet at the end...it was a quick 10 min render in photoshop and for some reason when the video was scaled down the planet took on a kind of egg shape.
I'm not entirely sure there even should be an opening crawl, but if there is one, I have an idea for the first shot...what if instead of panning down to a planet or a ship, it pans down to the city of Theed and we realise that we weren't in space but looking up at the night sky? I was going to try to do it for the test but I couldn't find an image of Theed that worked.
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backdeskproductions
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"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it."- chinese proverb. (always a good thing to keep in mind)
Actually I believe things would be a lot better for me in 2-3 years.
I DO like the name SP-1M "Spim" but the more and more I think about it, perhaps it doesnt suit the droid, but we can have another droid in the film be called Spim... but more like a background character. Just so we could still have a tribute to LLL's good friend.
As for the opening crawl, I didnt get to see it. I even got a vimeo account and it still says I dont have permission to see the video. 
Now that I think about it, the film should have been written in parts by the writers, but the primary focus should have been the scenes. Each scene has to be thought out because I think the filmies would rather film certain scenes in their available locations rather than whole parts which are made up of many different types of scenes. Some types of scenes might not be available to certain filmies which could cause a problem if the part they are filming has that specific scene.
do you get what I mean, it's hard to explain.
Lets say I am going to film part 2. (now just BS-ing)... part two has a scene with Larson which will be shot on an available location. But the following scene cannot be shot on the appropriate location because that type of terrain is not available in that part of the country, but Larson is supposed to appear in that scene. How do we fix that problem?
ask yourself that question when writing and try to work around that type of scenario.
I'm just sayin haha  
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LLL
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Well, Ish is in the middle of creating a second droid. Maybe that can be "SPIM" and we can name our main droid something else. I think a pic of the droid would help very much with the name.
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Now, then. I may begin to sound a bit harsh, here. Prepare yourselves. No offense is intended.
Here's my problem with all this, and I'm beginning to find it annoying.
Obviously I haven't studied as much screenwriting as some other people, but what I did learn informed me that the screenwriter's job is to tailor the story to the available production values as much as possible. Over and over they tell you, "Think about how much what you are planning is going to cost. Write so it can be filmed cheaply." So, what did I do? I came in here and asked: What sounds feasible to y'all? I got some answers. We started.
Then Larson started to bleed into sections of the script he wasn't originally supposed to. I asked and asked: Is this OK? Is this OK?? I did feel awfully nervous about it not working and having to be rewritten, because if anyone knows from personal experience, it's me: Once you get deeply attached to something you've written, it's extremely difficult to go back and make it very different and have it turn out as good. The gig is already up. You've seen it in your head too long, and you're too emotionally attached. The thing to do was stop the process when it started, and remind the writers: You are not allowed to do this, and only allowed to do this. Then we wouldn't have painted ourselves into a corner.
But every time I raised a concern, I was told, "No, this is great! We think it's filmable. Go ahead." So I unwisely allowed my writers to develop the story almost to the end, and now we hear it: We can't film it.
Only still we've got dissention. We've got one voice still saying, "Yes, we can film it," and one voice saying, "No, we can't."
Which angers me because I did ask, way back before we even decided to start the rewrite: Filmies. Get together. Talk it over. Can you film it or not? I was really hoping to start the rewrite based on a consensus. Which it appears we didn't quite get.
What I'm beginning to think is that our real problem here is too loose of an organization at the very top. My understanding of the organization of this thing is:
VERY TOP
backdesk
and under him,
Film crew members.........................Writers
Jedsith...............................................me
Vidina................................................Musical Jedi
etc...................................................JedSith
........................................................Ish
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so I've been treating backdesk as the boss and trying to do what he says to do. But now we're getting all these questions again about the decisions from the top that tell the writing staff what to do and what to shoot for.
If you remember correctly, I did stop prior to the final push to the writing of an ending and say: Filmies. This is the time to caucus (spelling?) and AGREE ON WHAT YOU WANT before telling us WHAT TO DO. (sorry about the caps, but sheesh.) And I don't recall that there was a whole lot of discussion there. backdesk said rewrite based on the fact that Larson simply can't be in the whole thing, so I went back to the last two writers and we began rewriting based on the fact that Larson can't be filmed in the whole thing without a whole lot of money for plane tickets and time off the day job for one unfortunate actor.
And now we've got new opinions coming in again and questions raised about the right thing to do which threaten to knock us back to an earlier stage in the writing process.
*stops and takes a deep breath*
GUYS.
We the writing staff (or at least, I the head writer) need strong direction from the top. The leader needs to be the leader, and the final say on what/how things are to be done.
If the leader wishes to entertain further discussion/caucus from the other filmies on the floor, now would be a good time to do that, close it up at some point, agree on something, and stop second-guessing ourselves from that point on in the interest of getting a script finished.
If someone else wants to be the leader and the current person agrees, then that person should be so designated, and I will then take orders from him.
If a person has great ideas about how they would run things but no actual time to do them, I either need to hear:
1.) Something from the leader about how the course of the project will be changed to accomodate that person's ideas, or in the absence of such
2.) Instructions to ignore. ("That could work, but I'm in charge and we're doing it this way.")
What I'm seeing is that the same sort of issues with mishmashing of different opinions and lack of organization that plagued the inception of the project so that a script initially couldn't be written...is now moving up a step in the process and starting to interfere so that a script can't be finished.
We've already made it harder on ourselves by going in a direction it's difficult to recover from, i.e., to turn around and rewrite major developments we all liked. I don't want to see this thing turn around again and start to go around in circles, since everybody else dropped out and left me head writer, and my job is to get a finished draft turned in.
I would very much like to do this with the participation of the folks who will be filming it, but that needs to be given with some direction and purpose, and from the person who is going to be responsible for organizing the rest of the work.
What I'm saying, I guess, is if you don't want the responsibility of that and you don't want to be the project leader, at some point you've got to defer to the person who does want the responsibility and is the project leader. And the project leader has to be able to say, "That's it; I'm doing this. I'm not doing that."
This is what would help the writing staff the most in delivering a completed script in a timely manner. As you recall, we were making pretty good time for a while there, especially when JedSith got going on Part Two.
If this sort of consensus/direction isn't forthcoming from the top, in the interest of getting a draft completed, I will simply decide on a direction to take and say to my writers: Guys, this is what we're going to do. We'll finish a first draft we're happy with, and then turn it over to you filmie guys. Once you've decided how you feel about what we've submitted, you can either make changes to it on your own, or you can come back to one or all of us and say, "We need you to make these changes."
To sum it all up: For me, at least, the confusion is just getting...too confusing. That's right...
yeah...
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Jedsithor
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backdeskproductions posted:
As for the opening crawl, I didnt get to see it. I even got a vimeo account and it still says I dont have permission to see the video.
Oops, sorry. I had it on private when I uploaded it to check that it was ok and I forgot to switch it to public.
You should be able to see it now though. http://www.vimeo.com/1538212
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Oh, and @backdesk: Am I misremembering? (I may be...I've been trying to leave Ish alone as much as possible here...) I remember Larson in the marketplace, in the Naboo launch bay, and on the ship. Have I forgotten some location we've put him in?
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Jedsithor
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LLL posted:
Oh, and @backdesk: Am I misremembering? (I may be...I've been trying to leave Ish alone as much as possible here...) I remember Larson in the marketplace, in the Naboo launch bay, and on the ship. Have I forgotten some location we've put him in?
He's in the Cantina as well (his grand introduction).
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OK...cantina is indoors...where else?
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The crawl looks fantastic: your study of the form has done you credit.
The font/characters of "a long time ago..." is too crisp, get a little film grain in there and/or blur the edges a few pixels.
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Jedsithor
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LLL posted:
OK...cantina is indoors...where else?
Uh...let's see...here are Larson's appearances in Part 2:
1. Cantina - talking to bartender.
2. Outside the Docking Bay - talking to administrator (outdoors, just a desk in front of the door to the docking bay really)
3. Alley - First meeting with BOT.
4. Marketplace - Trying to sell BOT
5. The Solar Flare - inside the ship, mostly in the cockpit.
I'm not sure if there's a shot of him in the docking bay itself...I don't think we see him enter the ship though I would have to check the script to be sure.
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Gee...that's a lot of places for Larson to be just in Part Two. Which means that crew has its work cut out for it.
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DarthIshtar
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Date Posted:
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Yeah, can't we cut the number of those places down if anything? 
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This is where I came up with the idea of a CG Larson. To me personally, it's looking better and better as a solution to the problem. Instead of completely wiping Larson out of a zillion scenes, we could turn him into a humanoid character. I'm still 100% for that solution. We could finish writing the script and get working on concept designs for larson, bot, ships, etc... and then we would be able to decide on how much this film will cost. I know that the correct way to develop a film is to set your budget first. Unfortunately we have no budget. Once the script is written we can make the slight appropriate changes needed to figure the costs as "affordable".
Luckily we aren't pitching this film to a production company.
Perhaps this is a birth of a new one?  cheers
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