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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 8:04am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	EighteenDelta posted: backdeskproductions posted: I CAN lead the production with the main characters... the problem with that is... in my area, there are too few who would commit to it. Where is your area again? Have you checked the fan force boards for a group in your area? You may find more than you expected. -x Well, you know now that you mention it, the Lima Symphony Orchestra just played a Star Wars concert here... in Lima, Ohio, and there was quite a bit of people there. (I went... they were pretty good... but not the best) Maybe there are people who would want to try out. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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bgii_2000 Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/9/08 8:57am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 9:18am (5 edits total) Edited By: bgii_2000
	JaceTaren posted: Seriously though, for the most part the arguing over story vs action is pretty much done, and now people are just tossing ideas around. So, what you're saying is, we've agreed to argue about the story. backdeskproductions posted: The idea was that all of the characters would be filmed in one region, close to their homes. Whether it's one city, one state or one county. It doesn't matter. Just make sure they dont have to travel too far. It can be done. It's been done before. Actually, there was only ever one guy, Shane Felux, who managed to pull that off. And he threw more than $20,000 down the drain doing it. To quote a little green friend of mine, "Hear you nothing that I say?" Even if the actors were able to travel around, you'd never manage to unify the photography. Oh, but wait, what am I thinking? You did address that issue by reminding everyone to shoot in 16:9. Perfect. As long as it's 16:9 we'll be fine. If you actually did end up shooting anything yourself, how were you planning on paying for it? As you said yourself, your job at your local TV station doesn't provide enough to rent an apartment. How are you gonna come up with the funds to shoot a fan film? Just to sum up again, you want other people to: Come up with the story for your film. Write your film. Produce your film (but you'll do that part with volunteers from the local symphony concert if you really have to). Do all of the post-production work. And you get to play George Lucas, pulling all the strings and "directing". That's not how this works, man. backdeskproductions posted: biggest fan film ever backdeskproductions posted: I will require a crew mainly for post production. Prosecution rests. sigh This had such potential. -----signature----- The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master. My website, blog, and movies http://www.theBradPlace.net What IS meatball? Holy crap I'm learning things everyday. - JeffCaauwe
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/9/08 9:30am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 9:31am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
	My thinking is that if members of the fan film community take his idea and turn it into a movie, he would only recieve whatever credit he deserves. If all he did was to pitch the basic idea to make a movie, and his involvment doesn't go further than that, it's certainly not "his" movie, and we certainly wouldn't call it that. We wouldn't put his name as the most prominent in the credits; he wouldn't be called the director or the exceutive producer. Not saying he wouldn't have any mention, but it would be more of a minor thing. I also think the community needs to appoint someone with experience as an excutive producer and as a director and such. I agree that backdeskproductions doesn't in reality have enough experience or knowledge to be in charge of a production (doesn't seem that way). Just wanting to lead isn't enough. I mean no offense, backdesk. You might have these skills someday, but this won't work if the director doesn't know what he's doing and has to learn everything from the ground up along the way. My idea was to write up a script, and have one (just one) film crew pick it up, and that film crew would be in one area (as in, one city). This film crew would also most likely need to be a pre-existing one, one that is perhaps in between fan films or something. If a new one was to be created, they would still need to already have the skills and resources, and not simply be someone with no experience who wants to figure it out along the way. You might be thinking that if we write a script and no one takes it that it's a complete waste of time & energy; I'm not sure I agree. If no one wants the script, then no loss, since we wouldn't have sunk any money into it, and the script could be saved as fan fiction. As a semi-random, semi-related idea, perhaps TFN could create a vault of freebie movie scripts where fan filmmakers struggling to come up with ideas could use one of them. This would also give some sort of creative outlet for those who have good movie ideas but don't have the knowledge, experience, or resources to film it themselves. It does open up a potential problem that if someone uses up a script, can someone else make it, or should it be deleted? I guess that does complicate things. Maybe it would be first-come, first-serve, or perhaps they would still be available for anyone else to take a crack at it (might be interesting to see different versions/POVs of the same story). But I'm rambling here about something not really related. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/9/08 9:40am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	bgii_2000 posted: JaceTaren posted: Seriously though, for the most part the arguing over story vs action is pretty much done, and now people are just tossing ideas around. So, what you're saying is, we've agreed to argue about the story. No, we're brainstorming ideas. There haven't been any fights. We might have perhaps had a debate over whether or not to include Jedi/Sith/the Force, but I think has been resolved (if you think that was an argument, all you need to do is look for recent arguments over the exact same topic, and then come back and tell me that this one ever got out of hand). At this point people are simply tossing out ideas. That's how brainstorming works; everyone gives their input. Brainstorming does not have the first person throw out an idea, and then everyone else simply adding to that one. It always involves different ideas and perspectives. And yes, it involves making a case for your idea, but that's hardly "pointless argument." The only time it becomes an argument is when people start doing the whole, "My idea's better!" "No, my idea's better!" "No, mine!" And that hasn't been happening at all, as far as I can tell. It's been completely civil; there's been no bickering or arguing. If there has been any, it's been awfully slight. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/9/08 10:46am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Jace Taran posted: No, we're brainstorming ideas. There haven't been any fights. We might have perhaps had a debate over whether or not to include Jedi/Sith/the Force, but I think has been resolved (if you think that was an argument, all you need to do is look for recent arguments over the exact same topic, and then come back and tell me that this one ever got out of hand). Though I have to admit, I've been contemplating STARTING a fight because my idea--which included Force AND Rebellion elements to it--received no serious feedback, positive or negative...just jokes. I mind apathy a lot more than outright hatred, frankly; love it or hate it, I wanna know what people actually thought. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance Read my webcomic: http://kanirabaxter.comicgenesis.com/
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/9/08 11:40am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	I thought it sounded interesting. Anyway, don't feel singled out. Most everyone had pitched an idea that went ignored in this thread. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/9/08 11:52am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Jace Taran posted: I thought it sounded interesting. ...workable? JT posted: Anyway, don't feel singled out. Most everyone had pitched an idea that went ignored in this thread. I don't have to be singled out to be grumpy; I think anyone whose idea was ignored has the right to be a grouch. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance Read my webcomic: http://kanirabaxter.comicgenesis.com/
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 12:33pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Obviously there is some confusion. How would you know I don't have "enough" experience? Besides... we're just trying to come up with the frickin story. You have to have a story before you can write a script... you have to write a script before you can pull together a crew, cast, start a rough budget and schedule, and all other necessary pre production needs and materials... you have to have pre production to map out what is needed for production... you have to shoot the frickin thing... you have to enter post production with an editor, compositor, CG artists/animators, sound designers and sound editors, visual FX artists, if you want one; have a composer composing music, along with EVERYTHING else needed to finish the film. I am trying to do ALL THIS without everyone being in the same frickin place. You can call me a Producer, because the Producer's job is to prepare everything (like the budget, schedule), make sure the Director (which may be me) has everything he/she needs, oversee production and post production... that's what I plan on doing. I may not be at the same place as the Director might be (if it isn't me), but I will oversee production by viewing material sent to me over email in a video file. (I'm thinking remotely Producing the film if I don't end up Directing it too). I REALLY dont feel like listing an Itinerary because it will be too long! About the budget...I was thinking NO BUDGET. That's right. NO BUDGET. Whoever is Directing (which it looks like is gonna be me) should have all of the equipment needed to shoot. Talent will supply their own costumes (if someone is willing to donate a costume that would be very nice). The "Director" will supply props. YEP... cuz I said so. If the Talent has their own props, they can bring them and use them. TRANSPORTATION: Drive yourself. If you need transportation, the "Director" will pick you up but you owe gas money. Or ride a bike. Get healthy instead of sitting on your fanny all the time. Since I was thinking of the Talent being close to the Director, it shouldn't be that much of a problem. SCHEDULE... when everyone is free. DON"T QUIT YOUR JOB FOR A NON-PROFIT FILM. You know, after looking at this... I am GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE DIRECTOR cuz there is no one willing to do this but me. I bet! I will call people up to schedule shooting dates ahead of schedule so everyone has time to either call off or take a break from their regular job. It will most likely be on the weekends. I know what everyone is going to say... "Uh... shooting on the weekends is going to take forever..." I dont really care. My shoots are fun and enjoyable. It will be worth it. Ask my friends. I even take the talent out to dinner. You all are just going to have to trust me. Oh, and another thing... what happens if someone else writes the story? "Oh... it's not his film cuz he didn't write it..." IT'S EVERYONE'S FRICKIN FILM!!!! Everyone who gets a credit...this film belongs to THEM. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 12:38pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 12:54pm (4 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
	And about my TV job... It depends on how many hours I get. PLUS... I get income by designing sounds for independent films, thank you. I don't have enough for an apartment now, but my private company RITMAX ENTERTAINMENT provides services for independent films and that is HALF of my income. This is pretty much NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS I would watch what you say in this forum. I was pretty offended. If volunteers who were at the Lima Symphony Concert want to contribute, that's fine. But there are also people from Fan Force communities in Cleveland, Toledo, Dayton, Columbus, and the Cincinnatti area who have people who might contribute too. I'm not specifically focused on those at the concert. For God's sake. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/9/08 1:56pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	I apologozed if I offended you, Backdesk. I didn't mean any offense. I was simply pointing out to bgii_2000 that this was not going to turn into one person taking all the credit after everyone else did the work. I wasn't trying to imply that you were trying to do that; bgii_2000 was, and I was saying that it wasn't going to happen that way, even if (hypothetically) you actually were to take it in that direction. Basically, this will be a community project, and the community isn't going to let one guy take all the credit or boss it around (again, I mean that in a hypotheical sense, not trying to accuse you of anything). Some of bgii's points do need consideration, though. For instance, we do eventually need to figure out how it will be funded (probably won't work coming out of one guy's pocket unless this person happens to be rich). We'll also have to do some extensive coordination if there are multiple filming units (though I still think a single filming unit is the only realistic way to go). Still, I say we worry about the story now, and take care of the technicalities later. It doesn't cost one red cent to type up a script, so that's something we can easily do (well, relatively easy anyway). True, we run the risk of going through all the trouble of writing a script now only to figure out we don't have the means to film it later, but it wouldn't be a total loss; we'd still have an awesome script someone somewhere may be able to use in the future, and it could be enjoyed as fan fiction anyway. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 2:20pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Jace Taran posted: I apologozed if I offended you, Backdesk. I didn't mean any offense. I was simply pointing out to bgii_2000 that this was not going to turn into one person taking all the credit after everyone else did the work. I wasn't trying to imply that you were trying to do that; bgii_2000 was, and I was saying that it wasn't going to happen that way, even if (hypothetically) you actually were to take it in that direction. Basically, this will be a community project, and the community isn't going to let one guy take all the credit or boss it around (again, I mean that in a hypotheical sense, not trying to accuse you of anything). Some of bgii's points do need consideration, though. For instance, we do eventually need to figure out how it will be funded (probably won't work coming out of one guy's pocket unless this person happens to be rich). We'll also have to do some extensive coordination if there are multiple filming units (though I still think a single filming unit is the only realistic way to go). Still, I say we worry about the story now, and take care of the technicalities later. It doesn't cost one red cent to type up a script, so that's something we can easily do (well, relatively easy anyway). True, we run the risk of going through all the trouble of writing a script now only to figure out we don't have the means to film it later, but it wouldn't be a total loss; we'd still have an awesome script someone somewhere may be able to use in the future, and it could be enjoyed as fan fiction anyway. Mainly I was offended at bgi's comments about my job not paying me enough. Not your's Jace. Some new developments though... I am training for Creative Service and Producing. Besides... for an 18 year old with no college experience, I will say I've been doing pretty good. On top of that, I make films. I have been for a few years. I have taken into consideration the budget... but it's difficult, nearly impossible, to decide on a budget until we have a script. Same goes as scheduling. I basically just yelled out that there would be no budget. That is somewhat untrue I will admit. But it should be a VERY low cost film. Yes, I do plan on having ONE shooting unit. BUT... if other filmmakers want to shoot battle sequences just to be thrown into the film, then I request a battle sequence be written in the script to allow them to do so. They don't have to have any characters identified because all of the characters' parts will be shot with the one shooting unit. I also suggest that the characters be involved in another struggle as a battle erupts in a different location, for the same cause, but separately. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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bgii_2000 Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/9/08 4:16pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Uh, dude, that info is in your sig. backdeskproductions posted: www.myspace.com/backdeskproductions" First you claim to be a wonderfully charming person to work with: backdeskproductions posted: My shoots are fun and enjoyable. It will be worth it. Ask my friends. I even take the talent out to dinner. You all are just going to have to trust me. ...But then you blow up at me because I read your myspace profile, flamboyantly insulting my knowledge of film production: backdeskproductions posted: frickin...frickin...frickin...FRICKIN... NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS Then you come pretty close to threatening me: backdeskproductions posted: I would watch what you say Dude. Chill out. As I said before, I don't think you're being malicious (although your recent, angry posts might suggest otherwise). I'm trying to explain to you that I've been in your position before, and you're deceiving yourself, the same as I did. I'm just being realistic. This is how things have statistically turned out for the last 8 years. Running the sort of low/no budget production you're talking about e.g.: "ride your bike", "owe for gas", "bring your own costume", "send your footage to me in an email" etc... NEVER results in a film being made, let alone "The Biggest Film Ever." As far as the "credit" misunderstanding goes, I not saying that you would "take" credit from anyone. But what you've said just doesn't add up: backdeskproductions posted: Oh, and another thing, IT'S EVERYONE'S FRICKIN FILM!!!! Everyone who gets a credit...this film belongs to THEM. backdeskproductions posted: You know, after looking at this... I am GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE DIRECTOR cuz there is no one willing to do this but me. I bet! I will call people up to schedule shooting dates ahead of schedule so everyone has time to either call off or take a break from their regular job. It will most likely be on the weekends. First you say, "it's my film" and then you turn around and say "it's everyone's film." Now in your last post here, you further clarify your position by stating: backdeskproductions posted: Yes, I do plan on having ONE shooting unit. BUT... if other filmmakers want to shoot battle sequences just to be thrown into the film, then I request a battle sequence be written in the script to allow them to do so. Oh. So, really what you're saying is, "I'm going to make a fan film with some battles in it, and if anyone wants to send me some filler battle shots, they can." Regardless, "if I were you" I'd take a step back and do something smaller first. Just my opinion. If you want to garner support for your film, you also need change your attitude. "Shouting" and swearing won't get you an ounce of respect, and will damage your reputation permanently if you keep it up. Reminding people that you're in charge but that you'll need lots of free help from them also statistically does not help you. Play nice. Be diplomatic. Follow the forum rules about double posting. It'll go a long way. PS: What's "Creative Service?" -----signature----- The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master. My website, blog, and movies http://www.theBradPlace.net What IS meatball? Holy crap I'm learning things everyday. - JeffCaauwe
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 4:58pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 5:17pm (2 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
	"Flamboyantly insulting your knowledge of filmmaking" Looks like we're even. Not only that, you used personal information that I released to my friends and trusted ones to insult me further. I AM a "charming person" to work with. BUT with the comments mentioned earlier, I overlooked handling this in a calm manner. The way I see it, this isn't working. The only threat I made to you was against your rude comments. I wont put up with it. About the comments I made about the "bike" and "gas" were because I was angry and didn't really care at the moment. Like I said, it's not my film alone. There will be more than just me working on this thing. But... if no person in this fan film community is willing to Direct the movie, then I will have to because nobody else will... that makes perfect sense. Again... I was suggesting using other filmmakers' newly shot battle sequences to be used in the film so we can see what might be happening around the galaxy, perhaps, on other worlds. THAT IS if we want that sort of thing in the script. This way other filmmakers will have something pretty important to contribute, making it OUR film. This isn't double posting... this is a new idea in the works. Creative Service: Commercials, Developing video and graphics for television shows. You know, creative stuff. Can we get back to the story development please? might i add this is the longest living topic i've ever had on this forum. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/9/08 4:58pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	bgii_2000 posted: backdeskproductions posted: Yes, I do plan on having ONE shooting unit. BUT... if other filmmakers want to shoot battle sequences just to be thrown into the film, then I request a battle sequence be written in the script to allow them to do so. Oh. So, really what you're saying is, "I'm going to make a fan film with some battles in it, and if anyone wants to send me some filler battle shots, they can." Technically, in that bit he didn't necessarily say that this one shooting unit would have him in charge of it. Maybe that is what he had in mind, but that paragraph doesn't say that specifically. He might have simply meant that the plan was to have one shooting unit, run by whoever agrees to run it. That was my suggestion, anyway. Makes it easier than trying to coordinate people shooting various different shots. Anyway, I will try and do my part to keep this going (not in a "now it's my film" sort of way or anything), even if, for instance, Backdesk changes his mind and decides not to do a movie. My suggestion (if the community agrees) is to go ahead and write the script. After that, we have some storyboards drawn uo by someone with that paricular skill, and perhaps any other pre-production sketches/concept art we may want/need. Then we worry about the technical details. My plan is to, at that point, try to recruit a group of people to actually film the movie from our script & storyboards. The reason I say this is because trying to get a production crew signed on now is silly, because we have nothing to show that we are serious. Right now, it is just hot air. If we can get a script done, then we have an easier time getting someone to draw quality storyboards. If we get the quality storyboards, we have an easier time getting someone to film as we have something to show. If we can get someone to film, we have an easier time getting people to help with FX for the same reason (something to show). You see, we take things a step at a time, and there's a chance that something might come of it. If we get ahead of ourselves, then we bite off more than we can chew. If we concentrate on just getting the script, then we can get something to show without having to spend on red cent. Anyway, this has become a community project, so even if backdesk is going to try to take complete charge of it, the community might just plug ahead anyway despite any orders coming from him (not saying he will try, I'm just saying hypothetically). Once the movie is done, the community will give credit where it's due. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:16pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	If this was "my" film then why wouldn't I be writing it? Why would I share any information stating I was planning on making this film if it were mine? I would already be busy making it. The idea was to have anyone or everyone in the fan film community to come together and put together a masterpiece that is a fan film. One way or another, through criticism and doubt... this film will be made. That's right Jace... 1 shooting unit. We were thinking on the same track there. I knew it would have to be at the very beginning of this topic. If your goin to read my first post, read it carefully. It would seem I was going to have more than one shooting unit. Refer to the SHOOTING section I typed up about Director's shooting their own battles. That's all I was thinking about regarding shooting units. I knew the main characters would have to be close because we cannot afford to fly everyone around. 1 shooting unit, directed by whoever wants the job... but IF nobody wants it...I will have to do it. I don't plan on taking complete control over this project. It's the community's film. Made by the community. Credit will be given where it is due. But because there needs to be a producer... and currently that looks like me... my credit is "producer". Back to the script development. Any more ideas? -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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