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ElectroFilms  771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/23 1:02pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
we ever figure out where exactly this was going to be shot at?

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1547 posts
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Date Posted: 5/23 5:56pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I believe we were going to have a small group of "units" filming the different aspects of the story, the different places to which B0T travels, and then edit the different units' footage together into one film, with a CGI B0T tying it all together.

The voices in my head are telling me that the Rebel Legion and 501st, as well as local drama clubs, could play a large role in filling out the cast.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to work on B0T's theme.

 

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ElectroFilms  771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/23 6:05pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
DVCPRO-HDeditor posted:
I believe we were going to have a small group of "units" filming the different aspects


that's gonna be fun matching all the footage from the different cameras.

 

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drewjmore  665 posts
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Date Posted: 5/23 6:58pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
What have we got to worry about there? (cameras)
Is there that much potential for screwing ourselves,
or can some reasonably capable operators produce similar results?

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 5/25 5:07pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
batting


All I'm worried about is white balance. WHITE BALANCE!!! hypnotized

 

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ElectroFilms  771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/25 5:45pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
drewjmore posted:
What have we got to worry about there? (cameras)





backdeskpro posted:


All I'm worried about is white balance. WHITE BALANCE!!!



white balance is just 1 issue of many things that could potentially make and editor go "postal"

Different frame rates....white balance...shutters..camera brands...ever camera has its unique looks like Sony's bluish grain. sick
Forget the different quality, different shooting styles & such.

i'm not trying to be a stumbling block, just trying to tell u of realistic problems that ur going to have to deal with whither u like it or not.

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1547 posts
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Date Posted: 5/25 7:04pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Okay, since its been brought up, lets talk about the look and feel of the film. Obviously, this is going to be a Star Wars film, so I think it should reflect a certain directorial style inherent to the Saga. Personally, I would prefer to have it look more like the Original Trilogy - a little bit dirtier, more lived-in, and with a bit of film grain. That feel, and that style, would fit our tale fairly well, I do believe.

Perhaps what would could do is find a lowest common denominator amongst the cameras and adjust for that. That is to say, render all the video so that it matches (or at least closely resembles) the lowest quality footage we have. I do realize that this is a very large task, but it would be a necessary one. Unless, of course, all of our Units are using the same brand and model of camera, with remarkably similar lighting rigs.

 

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drewjmore  665 posts
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Date Posted: 5/26 2:20pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
I've also heard GL harp on the use of "long lenses," in his DVD commentaries. Does anyone else consider this important? In my original (and still in post...) fanfilm project we pulled our camera back as far as we could go and zoomed it in as far as possible to hopefully simulate that aspect of the Star Wars visual style. It requires a lot of real-estate, however, and thus complicates things on-set.

Also, I second the "film look" idea. Again on my other project, I've even been fooling with After Effects to produce passable High-Def 24p from my Standard-Def DV-tape source footage. Obviously you can't create detail that's not there in the SD footage, but one of the reasons video doesn't look like film is the relative lack of shutter-blur. I'll spare you all the technical hoops I jump through to get there. I might be able to get a set of comparison stills up someplace.


Final delivery format is another question, but I think HD 720p is the best we can expect from most hosting sites. The difference between full-HD1080 and sub-HD720 could give one more opportunity to massage the images into a more visually-uniform product. Does everyone else think we should be shooting with full HD cameras (1920x1080p)? Those are pretty widely available these days...Or is that an unreasonable technical burden to put on the shooting units?

 

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ElectroFilms  771 posts
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Date Posted: 5/26 3:44pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
drewjmore posted:


Also, I second the "film look" idea. Again on my other project, I've even been fooling with After Effects to produce passable High-Def 24p from my Standard-Def DV-tape source footage. Obviously you can't create detail that's not there in the SD footage, but one of the reasons video doesn't look like film is the relative lack of shutter-blur. I'll spare you all the technical hoops I jump through to get there. I might be able to get a set of comparison stills up someplace.


Final delivery format is another question, but I think HD 720p is the best we can expect from most hosting sites. The difference between full-HD1080 and sub-HD720 could give one more opportunity to massage the images into a more visually-uniform product. Does everyone else think we should be shooting with full HD cameras (1920x1080p)? Those are pretty widely available these days...Or is that an unreasonable technical burden to put on the shooting units?


on ur cam issues...u get what ya pay for.. U buy a SD cam ur not goin to get clean HD footage, i don't care what filters and effects u try, the information is just not there.

as far as im concerned the best camera to film on would be RED.
rent one.

 

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drewjmore  665 posts
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Date Posted: 5/26 6:47pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea


The lower left is the raw footage frame.

I am in no way suggesting that we should shoot SD and plan to upconvert,
I'm just saying.

 

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DVCPRO-HDeditor  1547 posts
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Date Posted: 5/26 6:54pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Like I was saying, a common denominator to the footage. If, for instance, we agreed on HD 720p (as an example), then if someone's camera couldn't produce that quality of footage, we wouldn't be able to use their camera on the project. We could use a higher level, and then make it match up to the lower quality, I suppose - but its easier to go down than up in terms of footage quality.

 

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Vidina  2986 posts
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Date Posted: 5/27 4:14am Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
If we pitch the completed(or draft) script to Dorkman, Lou Klein(Contract of evil/that new one with kid Obi-Wan I keep forgetting the name of), Travis Boles(Three, Six, RvD2) or some of the other people in here that have actually succeeded in making a fanfilm or film of sorts, we might have a shot. Dorkman's got a RED ONE as well, so in that case, we'd know it would have high quality footage, if nothing else.

I say we try to pitch this idea to people that have experience, and resources, rather than try and pull it off "alone". I'd love to be behind/in front of a camera, but, keep in mind, I'm Norwegian, and don't have enough green to travel, let alone stay for a shoot any longer than maybe Threads Of Destiny 2, in Sweden.

Knowing Scott, Boles and Klein's syles and experience, we could go far with this thing.

 

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drewjmore  665 posts
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Date Posted: 5/27 10:50am Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 5/27 11:14am (3 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
You've got a point, V.
(Oh, and consider yourself reminded to read the script now... wink )
Directors and crews with proven skills would be great to have.
The ball surely seems to be rolling on this again, and so perhaps this time around we may start seeing more of the veterans stepping-up. I'll be more enthusiastic about that once it happens.

As I've stated candidly elsewhere, when this thing does get over the hump and into production it would be foolish NOT to participate...simply to be part of the team that "finally" does this thing which was long thought to be too ambitious.

@ DVCpro, we are in agreement.

 

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Jedsithor  1193 posts
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Date Posted: 5/27 2:09pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Um, no. Dorkman isn't going to do it. He said a while back that he couldn't work on anything unless he was paid because frankly, he's way too busy.

It's all well and good having belief in the story and the script but this forum is littered with threads from people with ideas or scripts, wanting others to make the film. The general response to that kind of thread isn't too kind and rightly so. A few months ago there were people who were interested in making the film. These are the people who we need to be talking to about this, not trying to pitch guys who have their own things going on.

If someone is interested in shooting it, then let them come into the thread and say so. I welcome it.

 

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Jedsithor  1193 posts
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Date Posted: 5/27 2:10pm Subject: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Um, no. Dorkman isn't going to do it. He said a while back that he couldn't work on anything unless he was paid because frankly, he's way too busy.

It's all well and good having belief in the story and the script but this forum is littered with threads from people with ideas or scripts, wanting others to make the film. The general response to that kind of thread isn't too kind and rightly so. A few months ago there were people who were interested in making the film. These are the people who we need to be talking to about this, not trying to pitch guys who have their own things going on.

If someone is interested in shooting it, then let them come into the thread and say so. I welcome it.

 

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