Author Topic: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
bgii_2000  2599 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:30pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jace, what I'm trying to say is that you're already ahead getting of yourselves by attempting this without first doing something smaller.

Backdeskproductions, I fail to see how an anecdote from your public myspace profile (to which you post a link in every post) constitutes "personal information that you released to your friends and trusted ones."

I'll say it again: Chill.

Do you really believe that I'm hellbent on destroying your reputation, your film, and your life? Dude, I'm just trying to save you some grief. I've watched others walk down the same path you're starting down, and it takes them years to recover; if they recover at all. Haven't you seen Chris Hanel's The Formula?

I was honestly curious about the "Creative Service." I'd never heard of the field being referred to as "Service" before. I was just wondering what sort of work you were trying to break into, that's all.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:30pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
You may not be writing the movie, but I can see why bgii_2000 would think that you might think that it was your movie. The reason for that is simply because there have been a lot of people in the past who have actually come in here stating that they were going to make the greatest fan film ever, but that they needed people to write, shoot, and edit it, yet they wanted the credit for it being "their movie" (after having done none of the work whatsoever).

This time around, it's an actual community project (or at least that's what it's become; even if someone wants to argue about Backdesk's original intent, it's become/evolved into a community project), and you just happened to be the one to suggest doing a community project.

So, regardless of whether Backdesk's intentions are honorable or not, I think the commmunity should carry on with it (and as a side note, I say we give backdesk the benefit of the doubt; I mean, he's at least offered to do some *work* for it, unlike 99% of the people with "greatest fan film" ideas who insist that someone else do everything while they sit and watch).

So, back to story then, eh?

I think we should stick with the Galactic Civil War period. X-Wings, Stormtroopers, and even the Force and lightsabers could be used (if we use RG's idea). I say we take RG's idea and build from that. Tweak it, refine it, add to it, etc, and then we can write the script from that. Not sure who of us will write the script, but I'd like to try, at least if no one else can or wants to.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:37pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 5:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
bgii_2000 posted:


Backdeskproductions, I fail to see how an anecdote from your public myspace profile (to which you post a link in every post) constitutes "personal information that you released to your friends and trusted ones."

I'll say it again: Chill.

Do you really believe that I'm hellbent on destroying your reputation, your film, and your life? Dude, I'm just trying to save you some grief. I've watched others walk down the same path you're starting down, and it takes them years to recover; if they recover at all. Haven't you seen Chris Hanel's The Formula?

I was honestly curious about the "Creative Service." I'd never heard of the field being referred to as "Service" before. I was just wondering what sort of work you were trying to break into, that's all.


Now that we're getting this out of the way... I just want to say that my profile on myspace does have personal info on it... but I haven't changed it in a loong time. The TV job is getting better... I've been doing a lot more. But that doesn't matter because we dont have to worry about a budget until we get a script. I'm not worried about disappointment... I've been disappointed before and it really doesn't bother me. I will even let you see my Heinz Ketchup Commercial for the first contest. THAT was diappointing.

just go to youtube and type in A PAINTER'S TOOLS... and click on the one from joncmaxwell. It's soooo bad lol.
Oh yeah... that's not me as the painter. I'm the judge with the hat on eating the fry.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:38pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 5:41pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
bgii_2000 posted:
Jace, what I'm trying to say is that you're already ahead getting of yourselves by attempting this without first doing something smaller.

Backdeskproductions, I fail to see how an anecdote from your public myspace profile (to which you post a link in every post) constitutes "personal information that you released to your friends and trusted ones."

I'll say it again: Chill.

Do you really believe that I'm hellbent on destroying your reputation, your film, and your life? Dude, I'm just trying to save you some grief. I've watched others walk down the same path you're starting down, and it takes them years to recover; if they recover at all. Haven't you seen Chris Hanel's The Formula?

I was honestly curious about the "Creative Service." I'd never heard of the field being referred to as "Service" before. I was just wondering what sort of work you were trying to break into, that's all.


Writing a script is not getting ahead of ourselves; it's certainly not "attempting a movie." Writing a script costs nothing, and once it's done, there's still a chance to look at it and make sure we can actually pull it off. Anyway, having a script might mean that someone with the equipment would be willing to film it, since the script would show that we're serious about it (though I think we'd want a step in between where we have someone do storyboards, as that would make it even more likely to draw someone's interest).

If the worst happens and no one will film it, then it's not a huge deal; we still have a script that someone in the future may be able to use, and the script would still have value as a piece of fan fiction either way. At every step of the way, we always have a chance to back out before we bite off more than we can chew. More than likely, reality says that yes, this is more than we can chew, but I fail to see how writing a script would be some huge mistake. Besides, once it's written, perhaps we'd luck out and find a fellow fan filmmaker wanting to make a fan film but struggling to come up with an idea (by that, I mean a fan filmmaker with the resources/skills/experience skills necessary).

 

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bgii_2000  2599 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:44pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 5:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: bgii_2000
Writing a script like the one being discussed is a waste of time no matter how you look at it because it will never be made. If you start with something smaller, there's a chance you might have something to show for it.

And seriously, three people does not a "community" make.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:48pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 5:50pm (2 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
bgii_2000 posted:
Writing a script like the one being discussed is a waste of time no matter how you look at it because it will never be made. If you start with something smaller, there's a chance you might have something to show for it.

And seriously, three people does not a "community" make.




Whoa wait a minute... did I just hear a filmmaker say that writing a script is a waste of time? Even if it is written and not made... it can be saved for later like Jace said. It's what many of the great filmmakers do anyway. They write something, see it's not going well and then put it off for later to fix and finish when he/she has an idea.


plus we've had plenty of input from other people, still not considered to be a community but that's because we've spent the last page and a half arguing over whether this film is possible. With your help, everyone was scared off.

 

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Jace Taran  1672 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 5:57pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 6:15pm (4 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
bgii_2000 posted:
Writing a script like the one being discussed is a waste of time no matter how you look at it because it will never be made. If you start with something smaller, there's a chance you might have something to show for it.

And seriously, three people does not a "community" make.




Other people have been giving input, not just three people. RocketGirl has been giving input. She even pitched an idea that had lightsabers in it (who knew tongue ). Seriously though, I realize that we haven't had a lot of people chiming in with willingness to actually film it, but then, like I said, I think it's waaaaaay premature to be getting onto that. And anyway it's not like every one of the posts in this thread have been written by the same three people. Perhaps there have been some people more active than others (backdesk, RG, and myself, for instance, which I'm guessing is the three you're talking about).

Anyway, I'm willing to write the script. I wouldn't consider it a waste of time. Like I said, I'd consider it a work of fan fiction at least, so even if it never gets made, I'd still feel some pride that I created a work of art. Saying that a script is throughly, 100% useless & a complete waste of time if it doesn't end up getting filmed is sheer idoicy, at least if the writer doesn't feel that way.

Howewever, while I may write this script (and if there was anyone else who was hoping to be the screenwriter, go ahead and write a script of your own if you're so inclined; you just have to be quite aware that it may never actually get filmed), I think you've got a good idea about starting smaller. One way of doing it is to write a script for a five or ten minute fan film. One with story, of course. It wouldn't be a lightsaber duel, but perhaps a space battle, or just one short scene from the bigger script.

Then, we can try to film that. If it fails miserably, then we'll know not to try the larger-scale one. If it works we can continue on (though even then we may decide to only step it up a little, rather than assuming it's OK to jump headfirst into the large-scale project).

However, that won't stop me from writing the script. Like I said, I wouldn't mind writing it pretty much as fan fiction (in script form, yes), and I wouldn't be crushed if it didn't get filmed.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 6:04pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jace Taran posted:
bgii_2000 posted:
Writing a script like the one being discussed is a waste of time no matter how you look at it because it will never be made. If you start with something smaller, there's a chance you might have something to show for it.

And seriously, three people does not a "community" make.




Other people have been giving input, not just three people. RocketGirl has been giving input. She even pitched an idea that had lightsabers in it (who knew tongue ). Seriously though, I realize that we haven't had a lot of people chiming in with willingness to actually film it, but then, like I said, I think it's waaaaaay premature to be getting onto that. And anyway it's not like every one of the posts in this thread have been written by the same three people. Perhaps there have been some people more active than others (backdesk, RG, and myself, for instance, which I'm guessing is the three you're talking about).

Anyway, I'm willing to write the script. I wouldn't consider it a waste of time. Like I said, I'd consider it a work of fan fiction at least, so even if it never gets made, I'd still feel some pride that I create a work of art. Saying that a script is throughly, 100% useless & a complete waste of time if it doesn't end up getting filmed is sheer idoicy, at least if the writer doesn't feel that way.

Howewever, while I may write this script (and if there was anyone else who was hoping to be the screenwriter), I think you've got a good idea about starting smaller. One way of doing it is to write a script for a five or ten minute fan film. One with story, of course. It wouldn't be a lightsaber duel, but perhaps a space battle, or just one short scene from the bigger script.

Then, we can try to film that. If it fails miserably, then we'll know not to try the larger-scale one. If it works we can continue on (though even then we may decide to only step it up a little, rather than assuming it's OK to jump headfirst into the large-scale project).

However, that won't stop me from writing the script. Like I said, I wouldn't mind writing it pretty much as fan fiction (in script form, yes), and I wouldn't be crushed if it didn't get filmed.


Great! Let's see what you can come up with. Can't wait to read some good material. We could do the "start small" thing and make a video that relates to the script your writing, just to have a demo.

 

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Jedsithor  1193 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/08 10:42pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/9/08 10:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedsithor
I actually think bgii_2000's "Tales of a..." idea is pretty interesting and would allow for multiple shoots, especially if we were to make my Sith War idea (which like Rocketgirls idea, had no real feedback).

Oh and for the record...as well as being a screenwriter, I did win both the Classic trilogy and prequel trilogy fanfiction rewrite contests on multiple occasions and I'm the story supervisor on the KOTOR Machinima trilogy, so i guess i fit the bill as being part of the fan fiction community as well as the fan film community.

Now the way I see it, if we were to tell multiple stories that make up one overall arc, then you could have multiple directors and muliple crews. I'm speaking hypothetically at the moment, since there's no guarantee that this will ever happen, but let's assume it does.

Once the overall story is laid out...each individual "tale" could be written by a different screenwriter, with one supervisor (most likely the creator of the general story) looking over the development of the scripts. Once the scripts were completed (say 6 or 7 scripts), each one would be taken on by a different production crew to go out and shoot. So each tale could very well look and feel different, with each director having their own particular style. The only thing that would link each film, aside from the overall arc, would be the technical details of how it's shot, in terms of format (HD, SD, aspect ratios...all that stuff).

With Post Production, you would probably need multiple editors, to work with the individual directors, as well as sound designers etc. visual effects would need a large team, split up into groups to work on each "tale" with a VFX supervisor overseeing everything to ensure consistency in the quality of the vfx.

Music could be handled by a single composer, or different composers for each "tale" depending on preference. Once each individual short is finished, the overall producer would then put them together.

So esentially what you'd end up with is a series of shorts about the Sith War...6 or 7 stories that make up a 2 hour movie.

Here's an example of how the story could be laid out:

Tales From The Sith War

Prologue: A Long Time Ago In A Galaxy Far, Far away....

Essentially a quick intro, detailing the state of the galaxy and the reason there's a war going on. This would be one of two parts where every individual production would contribute something, making up a montage of events.

Chapter 1: Mission To Xenthar

a group of Jedi are sent to a remote world in the Outer Rim to protect a group of refugees from the armies of the Sith until an evacuation ship can arrive. This was my original Sith War story idea.

Chapter 2: Hunted!

Three children with amazing Force potential (but no powers or training), travel across a world, being hunted by a Bounty Hunter who has been employed by the Sith to capture them so they can be trained in the Dark Arts. Their only protection is a former slave of the Sith who betrayed his masters and joined the jedi army (which isn't made up of Jedi by the way) only to desert them out of fear and is now a gambling alcoholic, humiliated and hoping he can find some redemption by delivering the children to safety.

Chapter 3: In The Beginning...

Set long before the war, it tells the story of a young Jedi, Darth Ruin (Yes, Darth would be his actual name as opposed to title...future Sith Lords would use the term "Darth" as a title out of respect to the first Sith), who begins to learn the Dark Arts, believing that they shouldn't be ignored. He starts to gain followers, who call themselves the Lords of the Sith, a sub-group within the Jedi Order. But after a horrific accident caused by Ruin using the Dark Side, he is put on trial, where he must not only defend his actions, but his very beliefs. The result is that the Jedi Order is split down the middle, with Ruin and his followers leaving to follow their own path, returning centuries later as the Dark Lords of the Sith to take control of the galaxy.

Chapter 4: One Mans Terrorist

With the Jedi army gaining victory after victory, a group of Sith slave warriors secretly defect to the Jedi and launch an underground campaign to help defeat the Sith, targetting Sith supply lines and shipyards, looking to disrupt the Sith war effort and destroy them from within.

Chapter 5: Bane

Essentially a character piece (though it has a pretty explosive ending) about a Sith Lord called Darth Bane. We see the war from the Sith's point of view as Bane despairs at his fellow Sith fighting amongst themselves, even as the slave army proves to be unreliable, with many turning to the Jedi. As Bane oversees the transition from slave army to droids, he begins to see that the constant in-fighting will lead to the Sith's destruction and so begins to orchestrate a plan to destroy his fellow Sith and leave himself as sole ruler of the galaxy, with a new philosophy - the rule of two.

Chapter 6: To Victory

The last full chapter, we go out with a bang as the Jedi descend on the Sith capital - Coruscant, in a final battle for control of the galaxy.

Epilogue: A New Future

The second part where every production contributes. This shows the aftermath of the war and the fate of some of the characters from the previous chapters, such as Bane. It ends on Coruscant with the formation of the Republic, with the Jedi as its protectors. (Though personally, I think the last shot should be of Bane creeping away into the shadows, foreshadowing the events of the Star Wars Saga).


Thoughts?

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 12:25am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
Jedsithor posted:

Thoughts?


How come, except for Wendy, there were only lost boys in Never-Never Land? I would have expected at least some girls to have gone missing in a magical land where children can be immortal and unaging. I'da jumped at the chance.

 

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Jedsithor  1193 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 2:41am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
RocketGirl posted:
Jedsithor posted:

Thoughts?


How come, except for Wendy, there were only lost boys in Never-Never Land? I would have expected at least some girls to have gone missing in a magical land where children can be immortal and unaging. I'da jumped at the chance.



I can actually answer that one...

The Lost Boys weren't actually lost in Neverland. They were children, who like Peter, ran away (though some were indeed lost) but not to Neverland. Peter Pan found them in "our" world and if they weren't claimed within seven days, only then were they taken away to Neverland. But girls were too smart (or too stupid, if you follow Pan's point of view, not mine of course) to get lost or run away, and any that did were usually found within seven days by their parents or returned by Peter (either because he thought that girls would be useless at fighting pirates or, because he was a child, found them "icky"). It wasn't until Wendy, that he saw any use for girls, in her case as a mother.

And that's why there are no Lost Girls...what? why are you loking at me like that? It was the first book I ever read, ok! grin

So, any thoughts on my idea?

Of course, the outline I laid out called for 6 shorts, each around 15-20 minutes long, with the prologue and epilogue being around 5 minutes, making a film that's just over 2 hours. You could add more stories to that and make an even longer film. The ones I came up with were mostly off the top of my head.

 

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ShadowDuelist  854 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 9:46am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/10/08 9:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: ShadowDuelist
Jedsithor posted:
Thoughts?


As long as we're already off topic: Why did Jack and Jill go up the hill to fetch water? You don't find water on top of hills, and if you're going to say the well is up there, only a rank idiot would build a well at the top of a hill.

 

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RocketGirl  4898 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 10:17am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/10/08 10:18am (1 edits total) Edited By: RocketGirl
Jedsithor posted:

The Lost Boys weren't actually lost in Neverland.


No, of course not...the Lost Boys were lost in Santa Carla. That's the problem with Santa Carla...all the damn vampires. wink

Anyway, you should already know what I think out your idea: too much focus on Force-users, not enough rest-of-the-GFFA for my tastes. S'why I proposed MY idea; it may not focus specifically on Jedi and Sith as organizations, but there's enough lightsaber-and-Force use to satisfy even the most rabid fanboy, AND you get more classic elements of Star Wars--you know...the Original Trilogy that started it all?--like the Rebel Alliance. Best of both worlds...balance. Like an actual Star Wars movie.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 10:53am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/10/08 10:53am (1 edits total) Edited By: backdeskproductions
So basically what you want to go for is how the Clone Wars animated series was put together. In chapters.

I was thinking more of a movie made up of 1 storyline and the same main characters. Although the series idea is a good one... I am just mentioning what my idea was from the beginning. It's all up to the fan film community how this "thing" is going to work.

Basically I'm acting as a guide to keep moving this project forward.


We could use more input from other people. Movie... or Series to be put into a 2 hour movie like SW Clone Wars?
The series does get more filmmakers involved.

 

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backdeskproductions  647 posts
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Date Posted: 1/10/08 12:11pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
bgii_2000 posted:
Uh, dude, that info is in your sig.

[quote=backdeskproductions]www.myspace.com/backdeskproductions"


Oh yeah... we aren't Back Desk Productions anymore. I've merged with another private co. and we are now RITMAX ENTERTAINMENT. Like I said... I haven't really updated my myspace. Plus I dont use that for BDP anymore. It's now my personal myspace.

 

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