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bgii_2000 Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/11/08 1:04am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	That still doesn't change the fact that you left the profile set on "public", left the link in your sig, didn't change your myspace name, didn't change your tfn name, and didn't tell anyone about the change (or the pseudo-privateness of your myspace account) until just now. You're putting yourself in a public position. You should be prepared for public scrutiny. And you should tone down your reactions. I'm sorry I offended you. To better times. I like your comparison to the Clone Wars cartoons better than my "Tales" idea. It's exactly what I was thinking. And it's a great way to get a lot of individual filmmakers involved. Also, I had another idea. This is far in the future, but there's a lot of resources that could be pooled. For instance: Visual Effects. Not artists mind you, but scenery, matte paintings, models, animations, textures, fonts, logos, decals, titles, etc... It would help to bring a little uniformity to the series, and help the artists. Same for music and sound effects. A theme could be written for the series (I'd do it) and that theme could play at the beginning of each chapter. I've never done an entire soundtack, but I could give it a go. Again, this would serve to unify the pieces. I'm still a little iffy on any ideas that have anything to do with "massive armies in massive battles." or "Jedi armies descending on the Sith capital." That stuff is utterly impossible to do, even with a small server farm. You could refer to large battles in the dialog, or even have an ultra extreme long shot (like in ROTJ from the emperor's throne room) But depicting actual gargantuan battle scenes is impossible for any VFX artist to cook up. It requires insane computing power, and some really expensive software. I think the largest battle to date has been Reign of the Fallen, which had like 15 sith doing battle against one Jedi. Or maybe Wilka's MS-III. But even that was like, 20 people. Revelations had the most ambitious space battle ever rendered, and it's 4 on 1. Thousands, and tens of thousands just don't happen in the fan film world. Ask ANY VFX artist here. They'll tell you the same thing But back to story. The clone wars series had the advantage of having two characters that were almost always in every episode. This series wouldn't have that, a least in the same visual sense. If we were careful though, dialog could be crafted to provide threads of continuity between the chapters. Some collaboration could be possible. Say the filmmaker shooting the Bounty Hunter chapter needed a shot of Bane for a holo message. It would be feasible for the filmmaker doing the Bane chapter to shoot one or two scenes. The story needs to have an arc of some sort. A beginning and an end. Something for all of them to tie into and reference. I like Jedisithor's individual ideas, but they lack a central thread. Should probably have a couple more chapters in there too. Throw in a good love story, and a comedic one (think: JarJar or C3PO; I'm not talking about spoofing). And my take on the ending: You could do it from the POV of normal citizens on the ground. They see the battle from far off. In the end perhaps one of the characters turns out to be Tarsus Valorum. Or maybe, as the the family cowers in the cellar, the boy goes out side to see Darth Bane escaping into the shadows. But whatever you do... No huge battles. -----signature----- The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master. My website, blog, and movies http://www.theBradPlace.net What IS meatball? Holy crap I'm learning things everyday. - JeffCaauwe
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/11/08 8:48am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	to better times. I fixed the myspace problem... I'm getting rid of it since I'm really never on it. I really like the chapters idea. Even though it wouldn't be a feature film, it still does get more filmmakers involved. About huge battles, that really depends on who you can get to fight. Again it depends on how the story goes. We don't have to write in any big scenes but it someone can get together people to shoot a big scene, the be my guest, we'll try to fix the story so it'll work. Scripts for these things are changing all the time anyway. About the sound effects, I have a massive library full of star wars sounds. I request to the fan film community that I do sound design. So for the story... still goin for ideas. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/11/08 9:59am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	bgii_2000 posted: Also, I had another idea. This is far in the future, but there's a lot of resources that could be pooled. For instance: Visual Effects. Not artists mind you, but scenery, matte paintings, models, animations, textures, fonts, logos, decals, titles, etc... It would help to bring a little uniformity to the series, and help the artists. Same for music and sound effects. A theme could be written for the series (I'd do it) and that theme could play at the beginning of each chapter. I've never done an entire soundtack, but I could give it a go. Again, this would serve to unify the pieces. Not quite sure what you mean here. Do you mean pulling together pre-existing FX sources (for instance, the 3D models found on scifi3d.com)? -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/11/08 11:16am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	psigh Count me out of this. Even if I didn't desperately need to finish my own fan film, after reading the last page or so, I frankly don't really have much confidence in the people involved in this one. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance Read my webcomic: http://kanirabaxter.comicgenesis.com/
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/11/08 11:44am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	RocketGirl posted: psigh Count me out of this. Even if I didn't desperately need to finish my own fan film, after reading the last page or so, I frankly don't really have much confidence in the people involved in this one. Come on RocketGirl... we could use someone with your skills. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/11/08 11:58am Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	backdeskproductions posted: RocketGirl posted: psigh Count me out of this. Even if I didn't desperately need to finish my own fan film, after reading the last page or so, I frankly don't really have much confidence in the people involved in this one. Come on RocketGirl... we could use someone with your skills. Then get your act together...and I kinna mean you particularly, though not exclusively. So far, all I've seen is bickering, misunderstanding, grandiose premises with nothing to back them up, and wishful thinking. This kind of thing has been proposed before and it has NEVER gotten past this stage; there hasn't even been a script written, never mind anything resembling preproduction or actual filming. And most of those started out more promisingly than this one has. If either of the two of us here should be saying, "Come on!"...it's me. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance Read my webcomic: http://kanirabaxter.comicgenesis.com/
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drewjmore Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/11/08 1:07pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 1:26pm (2 edits total) Edited By: drewjmore
	Chiming in: I'm usually "working" while I lurk here, but my workstation RAID just fouled-up and I got nothing to do until HP tech support gets here Monday... A.n.y.w.a.y... Jedsithor posted: I actually think bgii_2000's "Tales of a..." idea is pretty interesting and would allow for multiple shoots, especially if we were to make my Sith War idea (which like Rocketgirls idea, had no real feedback). <snipped the idea> Thoughts? In earlier threads I read your suggestion of 'throwing out' the semi-cannonical sith war history in favor of your version, and now we've seen your outline in that vein. Don't you think that creating conflicting plots within the GFFA mythos is asking for trouble? In the sense that there are a fair number of EU sources (I think, perhaps, mostly comic books; which I've never seen, btw) that have already outlined the history of that time-period. For those who have partaken of the Dark Horse material, that IS the story of the Sith Wars. The war might still make for an interesting film project, but I'd be more inclined to look for //harmony// with cannonical, however weakly so, stories. On a slightly different note, I'll cast my vote for RG's idea, as long as it's written with an eye to //supporting// the EU tales which occur later. I also like the barely-connected episode format. Perhaps the only connections we allow should be via holonet? Then one director could film one half of a conversation with an actor from their episode, while a second director would be using that hologram as an VFX element in their episode. -----signature----- Padawan of prj1 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3420673/
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/11/08 1:35pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	You know what. I alone was not just going to work on this thing. I was proposing a community project and I have been TRYING to get some people to contribute... but if people wont contribute, then there is no sense in doing this COMMUNITY project. It won't disappoint me, I'm actually currently breathing breaths of relief. Thanks for nothing. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/11/08 2:04pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 2:09pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jace Taran
	I can see where RocketGirl is coming from, though. People saying that they're going to work on it and that they're committed to it doesn't necessarily mean anything until something actually gets done. For instance, I might say that I will make a script, and even if I'm genuine (and I like to think I am), none of you really knows that, so until I actually do something, it's nothing but talk. However, one thing that you have to keep in mind is that if you give up at the slightest resistance or at the first time a naysayer comes along, you really only end up proving their point that, that point being that the whole thing was hot air. If you want to actually see something happen, you have to be willing to keep trying despite the naysayers. Anyway, I intend to write a script regardless. If no one is willing to do anything with it after that point, then no big deal. I can always save it for later, or turn it into a short fan fic story (I enjoy writing, personally, so it would not be a waste of time for me if an actual movie didn't come of it). Of course, I'll just start with a small one, like for a 5-10 minute one. Also, you'll have to take what I say (about writing the script) with a grain of salt, I guess, because at the moment all you have to go from is my talking & promising. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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RocketGirl Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/11/08 2:15pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Jace Taran posted: I can see where RocketGirl is coming from, though. People saying that they're going to work on it and that they're committed to it doesn't necessarily mean anything until something actually gets done. For instance, I might say that I will make a script, and even if I'm genuine (and I like to think I am), none of you really knows that, so until I actually do something, it's nothing but talk. However, one thing that you have to keep in mind is that if you give up at the slightest resistance or at the first time a naysayer comes along, you really only end up proving their point that, that point being that the whole thing was hot air. If you want to actually see something happen, you have to be willing to keep trying despite the naysayers. Last year, I got involve with a start-up video game company as an artist. The guy trying to run it had a lot of big ideas (which I mostly thought sucked, but I needed the work), and a lot of enthusiasm, but that was almost ALL he had. Oh, there were design documents and meetings with investors and stuff, but it never went ANYWHERE. And all the while, I was bored and not even getting PAID. And later, I came to discover that the guy was WAY mentally unstable, too; when I told him I had gotten a paying job with Microsoft and couldn't work on his project anymore unless he could match their offer, he totally flipped out: started out screaming, ended up all but crying. Now, I'm not saying this is a parallel situation, but frankly, it's very very similar. I actually WANT to be involved in this project, just as I wanted to be working on that video game; a successful start-up is a great thing to have on your resume, if nothing else. But much like that job, the people involved in this fan film are kinna wigging me out; there's already arguing and disagreements and a complete lack of coherence or consensus...what is there to movtivate a person to want to be a part of this team? So far as I can see...nothing. -----signature----- Introducing new Dark Side RocketGirl™: Quicker, Easier, More Seductive!™ "Duuude, the fat guy totally just blew up!" -Pink Five My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/BionicDance Read my webcomic: http://kanirabaxter.comicgenesis.com/
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DVCPRO-HDeditor Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 1/11/08 2:38pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 2:55pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DVCPRO-HDeditor
	drewjmore posted: I also like the barely-connected episode format. Perhaps the only connections we allow should be via holonet? Then one director could film one half of a conversation with an actor from their episode, while a second director would be using that hologram as an VFX element in their episode. Any necessary conversations between characters would have to be filmed twice, I think. Once for the scene, and once against bluescreen, to be rendered as a hologram effect later. Heck, even just one message being sent to multiple parties would be good. Perhaps it would be the final message from the captain of a ship on a mission for the Rebellion, and the only way to see his mission completed was to send this information to as many parties as possible. Of course, it's only when all the different goals are achieved that there is overall success - with none of the principle characters meeting face-to-face. (I hope that makes sense.) So, during the Galactic Civil War, what could be one event, one goal, that would unite multiple Rebel cells, and perhaps even draw in a few non-affiliated starship captains? -----signature----- "Murder is not a bannable offense here on TFN." ~ AdamBertocci Let Me Google That For You: http://tinyurl.com/5p4arw
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Covert-Sniper Registered: Feb '06	Date Posted: 1/11/08 2:54pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 2:58pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Covert-Sniper
	Frankly, the logistics of this project are almost insane, trying to get everything to pull together. It would be fun having a community project, but a consensus between everyone as far as story and setting is not going to happen in this century. -----signature----- "Only a Sith deal in absolutes!" If there are no absolutes, then there really isn't good or evil. If there is not good or evil, then there is chaos. If there is chaos, then there is no point to anything. "We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers" "N
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DVCPRO-HDeditor Registered: Nov '06	Date Posted: 1/11/08 3:04pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea - Date Edited: 1/11/08 3:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DVCPRO-HDeditor
	Covert-Sniper posted: It would be fun having a community project, but a consensus between everyone as far as story and setting is not going to happen in this century. Always with you, what can not be done. If there were some sort of "one goal" and "one story" to tie into, it might become easier. Rather than trying to connect multiple cast and crews into one massive fanfilm, a series of short films that tie into one another, most indirectly, isn't completely impossible. Heck, ten years ago, half the things that are accomplished by the average fan film maker today were considered impossible by most people. Why not raise the bar a little, and at the same time, get a solid non-Jedi-centric story behind it? EDIT: Oh, and I'm willing to work on the script(s), sound effects and music. Even if I can't film anything myself, I'll do what I can. -----signature----- "Murder is not a bannable offense here on TFN." ~ AdamBertocci Let Me Google That For You: http://tinyurl.com/5p4arw
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backdeskproductions Registered: Aug '07	Date Posted: 1/11/08 4:21pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	Now that's what we need... people focusing on the goal and actually trying to get something done. We don't really need any negativity around here (or at least anymore... from me included) because that will only make things more complicated. We just need to focus on a story and then go from there, that's all. I honestly think we should do the series idea. It gets more filmmakers involved which is what I wanted. We want to keep fan filming alive. These "episodes" will (should) inspire people. That was a part of my dream from the beginning. STORY IDEAS: *all the episodes will branch from these specific ideas. (if we want them) - Political unrest in the New Republic as a corrupt man is about to be elected Chancellor. Citizens of his homeworld must unite and form an organization that will block his election in a peaceful or forceful manner. (think hillary clinton lol) -A Jedi ship was shot down over a hostile world during a diplomatic mission to that same world. The Jedi must find some way to escape or they will be imprisoned, tortured or even killed. -A rival band to the Max Rebo Band is on a tour across the galaxy. They are eventually boarded by space pirates and get involved in a wild goose chase as a bounty hunter finds the pirates and locks into a struggle with them... all this inspiring the band to write a song which will become the most favorite song the galaxy has ever heard... the Cantina song. -A system of worlds is struggling for peace as a neighbor planet is building up an invasion army to conquer the system. This calls for immediate political action. A group of Jedi are sent to the different worlds with a battalion of clone soldiers to persuade the system into peace. -Planets beyond the outer rim are disappearing. Not because they were erased from the archives, but because they were destroyed. A group of investigators are sent to nearby systems to seek out the cause of these disappearances... That should get some minds going. Maybe all of them tie into eachother somehow. Try to match them all up into one storyline. That's what I did with my bad dream movie. -----signature----- I now have surround sound capabilities! I just need a project to exploit my newly discovered powers. Tee hee -Jon C. Maxwell
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Jace Taran Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/11/08 4:28pm Subject: RE: Jedi vs Sith prequel movie idea
	I've been compiling all the various story ideas that have been pitched in this thread thus far. At the moment, it's just a collection of copied and pasted posts (so that I don't have to sift through the rest of the posts to find them), but I plan on boiling them down to their key points, and perhaps list them here. -----signature----- For those of you following along at home, don't forget your...subatomic house? You see that? I am a professional; the ceiling is now on fire, and I'm not worrried. Well, that does it for stupid snake...FACE. http://returnoftheghostbusters.com
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