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WormieSaber
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5/24 1:33am
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Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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I've been using Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 for quite a while, and even finished a feature film on it. I'm quite used to using it (comfortable with it), however, I'm wanting to go a step up and start using the Avid instead of Premiere. I have Premiere 2.0, but opted not to use it (yet) because of my system slowing down whenever I used it. I researched Avid editing software about a year ago, but I'm sort of out of loop at the moment. Is anybody here using Aivd software to edit their films, and if so, are you using the most up-to-date version, and if so, what can you recommend in terms of Avid? I have a dual core processor, AMD technolody, and 4.0 of RAM.
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bgii_2000
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5/24 1:45am
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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Avid is on it's way out. If you want to move up in the world Final Cut Pro is where it's at. It's functionally identical to Premiere, but is more widely accepted in the industry.
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VaporTrail
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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I dunno... I've been converting a number of people to Vegas around here. 
As far as Macs go though, yeah. Final Cut Pro is becoming more prominent. Avid's trying to keep up, but I keep hearing less about this and more about FCP.
From the student side of things, anyway. A family friend who does ads for the Food Network in NYC still works on Avid, I don't really have a calculated sample from the rest of the industry.
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ObiJuan2080
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Definitely FCP on this but you have a PC. I would go Vegas. Won't slow down your system like Premiere will. Don't get me wrong, I love Adobe products but I don't like Premiere....like at all. I was editing a 45 min. film on Premiere 1.5 and you have no idea how many times I had to restart the system. Mind you I was dealing with SD footage on a PC with 1 GB of RAM and a P4 with HT tech processor. Perfect, at the time, but Premiere kept messing up. I finished the film but it took me longer to do it.
Bottom line, listen to Vapes, when on a PC use Vegas. However if you have the funds get a Mac and use FCP.
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Vigilante74
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bgii_2000 posted:
Avid is on it's way out.
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NateCaauwe
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Yeah, hopefully the universe doesn't implode here, but I agree with Vapes...and Juan (that probably saved our existence there). On the PC side I recommend Vegas, partly because I'm recommending against Premiere, but also because I've never really had any problem with Vegas. It's a lot different from the industry leaders FCP and Avid, but Premiere just sucks these days. Regarding the guy you know in advertising, Vapes, that doesn't surprise me too much. Even though FCP is getting a ton of buzz and growth, I believe Avid still has quite a dominant presence in the industry. FCP just hit 1 million users this year. However, I still see FCP overtaking Avid in the future, just really a matter of waiting for the Avid users to die out (literally) 
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Master_Comyn
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5/24 7:51pm
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Time for some more AVID users to speak up! I've used all the editing apps stated above with exception to Vegas. One of my friends has started using it for Empire Corp's video department. This wasn't his choice as he's always been an AVID/FCP guy. I'll have to ask him about it.
As for how good AVID is? It really comes down to your editing style. FCP has a more intuitive, drag-and-drop style to it. In the past, it's file management systems, from what I've heard (so take that for what it's worth), couldn't touch AVID's. I'm sure that's changed as they're now doing everything to become the leader in the market. In contrast, AVID has a more decisive style, which I always liked. The thing with AVID is you really have to know the program before you can do anything other than simple edits. But when you know the interface and what it's capable of, you can do practically anything.
Here's how I see AVID's popularity downfall, if you want to call it that. When the huge switch to HD came, FCP had much better pull-downs right away, leaving AVID in the dust in that regard. But when AVID finally did catch up, they've once again (in my opinion) come out on top. St ill, a LOT of post houses had already begun the switchto Final Cut. Knoxville's leading post house, RIVR Media, is a good example. They've expanded to close to 20 edit bays in the last couple years, from just a half dozen or so AVID bays. Most of those bays are now FCP, with only two AVID suites remaining. But a lot of networks, studios, and senior editors still insist on AVID. Like Nate said, some post houses are waiting on the AVID users to die off.
But is AVID on it's way out, like bgii_2000 said? I think it's hard to say. The industry is changing, moving toward smaller companies and smaller cameras (look at RED!). AVID has always been the Big Guns in the editing competition. But they know they have to evolve like everything else.
Now, for some practical answers to your questions. I'd recommend something like AVID Liquid, kind of an all-in-one tool. Or if you'd like to go a step further, get AVID Mojo Suite. It's what I used to edit my exit-thesis documentary and it had Boris RED for CG, Sorenson Squeeze for compression, After Effects, and Photoshop. Everything I needed. I'm not sure if they still offer it, but you can download AVID Light for free and use it. It's got limits, but it gets you used to the feel of AVID's interface. Try it out and lemme know what you think.
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WormieSaber
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5/25 12:29am
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I've been interested in Avid Liquid for quite some time, but wasn't sure if that would be ideal for feature editing. What I want to do is skew more into the professional direction, as far as my editing suite goes. Avid was stellar and tops throughout the '90s, and I know major studios are still using them. I'd change over to FCP in a heartbeat, but because I have to actually buy the entire mac computer and then the FCP, that's like getting an entirely new editing set-up. FCP is eventually the direction I'd like to go, however, I figured that since my editing suite is all PC, and I've upgraded to the MAX with my PC, that I probably should just go AVID which has to be better than Premiere by a long shot. But I still have Premeire Pro 2.0 which I haven't put to use yet, so, that might be the best leap for right nowl or Avid Liquid.
St ill, a LOT of post houses had already begun the switchto Final Cut.
They have, including Universal. Which is another reason why I want to go full-on Apple. It would mean, however, spending close to $5,000 for a new FCP set-up. I've used FCP before and it's user friendly. Oh well, until then, maybe I will just focus on making my Premiere as effective as it can be, get Avid Liquid Pro, and the latest Adobe Flash. So I'm not making big budget movies like Titanic at the moment, and I know I can edit a feature film in Premiere. My old film school, and I know I've mentioned them far too often in this forum, actually only uses Avid. I'll have to go over there and make use of my Alumni benefits and see how their Avids are set up, and if I really like it enough to invest Avid.
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Master_Comyn
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5/25 5:48am
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Well, if you're looking to expand to a career later, the only advice I can give is this: know both. At college I focused on AVID and was able to do practically anything with it. If anyone had a problem or needed to know how to do something, they'd usually come to me if the AVID tech wasn't around. When I bought my new computer, I also bought AVID Xpress Pro HD, and kept up my "skilz". But most jobs at smaller companies had FCP. So my lack of experience there really hurt my right off. But it wasn't that hard to pick up, mostly due to the intuitive design of Final Cut's interface. But I've come across other jobs where my AVID knowledge was very attractive to employers. Almost took an editing job at the aforementioned RIVR Media because they needed more AVID-competent people. I declined it, and a week later they laid off 75% of their editing staff. Close call, huh?
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bobaandy123
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Our studio is going to switch from all AVID suites to FCP. What has been said before is true, AVID is much more precision oriented, but slower, and FCP is more throw-and-trim oriented, so faster. AVID is a sniper rifle, and FCP is a machine gun, if you will. Sniper rifle will hit its target almost every time but it takes longer, machine gun will problably not hit its target for a while but shoots much faster.
I actually have a friend who was talking to some guys at another studio, and they where talking about editing programs. They all used FCP, and when he asked "So, if I only know how to use AVId...?" and they said "Then you need to learn FCP."
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WormieSaber
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5/25 12:05pm
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The problem is is that my experience with editing departments at a studio is late '90s. Except for Universal, which is where I had color correction done for my feature (a freebie from a friend). And Universal was all FCP. Though I worked with Avid back in 1999 at Sony Pictures, I was an Avid tech assistant, which meant I mostly did partitions and hook-up editing systems for the new shows coming in. It was a great experience and back then everything was Avid, and FCP was more or less just starting to get notoriety. I did do some editing on my breaks, and when it was a slow day I'd play around with footage that was donated to the studio, other than that, that's my experience with editing on Avid. So I guess it's good to be proficient with both Avid and FCP, however, in the end, I'm seeing that FCP is the final frontier. Which means $5,000 for a whole new apple (mac) set up. All for a good reason; I think I may get Avid Liquid Pro to do my next project on, and maybe a few others at least until I can get, or afford, the FCP set-up. I'm surprised that Avid isn't out the door entirely, because even when I was working as a PA on a feature 3 years ago, during the shooting there was this guy hoveled away in a small room in the back editing something on FCP. So while we were filming, he was editing on FCP. I found that to be very funny.
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Master_Comyn
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TrowaGP02a posted:
Smoke! Discreet-ly.
Wha?
Honestly, if you have the money to invest, FCP is much better for this type of film making. The Mac is much better integrated, etc. Personally I'm torn. AVID's downfall is that it's PC-based. A lot of users don't know how to take products from Sound Blaster, NVidia, AMD, and HP, and get them to integrate without problems. As a result, I know most people would be better off just buying a Mac and not have to worry about it. But if I do that, I'm only limiting the amount of AVID users, perpetuating their decline. GaH!
Who knows what will happen though. I mean, several years ago, with all these prosumer cameras coming out, the freelance industry hit a swarm of unexperienced people taking away good jobs from established freelancers and small production companies, lessening the quality of content being put out, so on and so forth. As far as I can tell, things are starting to even back out again. Perhaps Vegas will be the next big PC-based competitor for FCP. They weren't hardly anything a couple years ago. Now look where they're at.
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bgii_2000
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5/25 2:22pm
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Smoke is Autodesk's (of 3DStudioMax and Maya fame) NLE. I've never met anyone that used it. It used to be sold by a company called Discrete.
I still say Avid is on the way out. Premiere, Vegas, FCP, and Avid Xpress all functionally do the same exact thing. They all do it in pretty much the same manner. Timeline based, non-linear editing. The only difference, functionally, is in a few, surface interface bits.
The reason why FCP is replacing Avid (and why Premiere and Vegas aren't) is that everyone in the industry is developing for FCP. REDCODE works natively with FCP. The format recorded on P2 cards (whatever it was; I can't recall) worked natively with FCP long before it did so in Premiere and Vegas. Numerous editing bays, decks, and other broadcast and film equipment are MADE to work exclusively with FCP. It used to be that everything was done to work with Avid. But FCP has overtaken it.
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WormieSaber
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It appears that Avid indeed is on it's way out the door. There will not be a new version, but Avid tech support will support it up until 2013. So I'm dumping the Avid idea; FCP like I originally wanted. My editing suite is still very good, it's all premiere. Though I haven't tried Premiere CS3 yet; Adobe is usually pretty good at keep up with everything. It's that darn Windows Vista. It appears that is getting dumped soon also, and being replaced by Windows 7, or something like that.
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WormieSaber posted:
Though I haven't tried Premiere CS3 yet; Adobe is usually pretty good at keep up with everything. It's that darn Windows Vista. It appears that is getting dumped soon also, and being replaced by Windows 7, or something like that.
This is precisely why I switched to Vegas 8 pro. I have Adobe Production Studio and I like it (including Premiere), but it won't run on Vista 64 bit. This upsets me just a tad, cuz I only bought the program new a little over a year ago (its not cheap) and now it won't work on my new computer. To be more precise, Premiere and Illustrator will not work. The rest does. So despite my dislike for all things Sony (this stems from 2 very poor customer service issues, non video related) I went with Vegas and I like it so far. Adobe would still have a customer if they had just updated their software.
BTW: B & H has Vegas Pro 8 for $129 right now, full version but does not include DVD Architect.
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