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NateCaauwe
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6/9 3:29am
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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Master_Comyn posted:
Who knows what will happen though. I mean, several years ago, with all these prosumer cameras coming out, the freelance industry hit a swarm of unexperienced people taking away good jobs from established freelancers and small production companies, lessening the quality of content being put out, so on and so forth. As far as I can tell, things are starting to even back out again.
The same thing happened in the 90s with print media when Photoshop came out. Of course there's a plus side usually where all these people who suddenly had the tools to do these things started doing it without any adherence to "how it's usually done," and some of them got good at it and we saw a new generation of ad design. As such, we can expect to see great new ideas when tools are easier to acquire for so many folks out there. Yeah it's a hell of a mess at first, but it all works itself out and things end up better in the end in my opinion. I think (and others out there do too) that we're at the beginning of seeing another surge like this with news and all kinds of online video. We may be in a crap time economically, but the media world is rather exciting 
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DVeditor
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Which is why it's more important to understand your craft first, then learn the tools afterward.  TrowaGP02a posted:
Smoke! Discreet-ly.
I lol'd. 
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Lord2
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6/9 11:50am
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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I want to try FCP, but Apple is to selfish to make it for Windows or any other OS than their own. So I'm supporting Adobe all the way, and Premiere Pro and Elements is really good to work with so it will have to do.
EDIT: And Avids software, it seems to be good, but it didn't work with my system. It hated my sound card. The version I tried was 5.8. It's just to bad there isn't any professional open source alternative at the moment, when it comes it will drive the other companies to the ground. It's just crazy to pay 5 billion $ to edit a movie with the right effects you need.
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NateCaauwe
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Lord2 posted:
I want to try FCP, but Apple is to selfish to make it for Windows or any other OS than their own.
That's not selfish. That what makes it work so well. I won't go back to the studio I used to work at because they abandoned the Mac I got them to buy after two years of pushing and now rely solely on Windows and Adobe software. Trust me, the difference in usability and reliability is phenomenal. It really boggles the mind as to why they went in the direction they did (they've had nothing but problems with their PCs every time I stop in these days).
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DaFireMedic
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6/9 6:52pm
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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NateCaauwe posted:
Trust me, the difference in usability and reliability is phenomenal.
I'm not questioning you Nate, I'm sure this is the experience that you've had. But I hear many hard core Mac users on the net tell about all the reliability problems in editing on a PC. But the vast majority of these reports seem to come from Mac users. I've been using Premiere (and now Vegas) since 6.5 and have experienced few, if any, of the reliability issues that I'm supposed to be having. This is not to say that there are no people out there having problems, but I think its greatly over stated and almost entirely Vista/Premiere related. Vegas, on the other hand, works just fine with all Vista 32 and 64 bit, and I'm told that the 64 bit optimized version will be a free download for Vegas 8 pro owners.
Adobe's support of their software is leaving something to be desired.
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NateCaauwe
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Date Posted:
6/9 7:34pm
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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My opinion is based on plenty of experience. I learned how to edit in Premiere 6.0, I used it for years, and for nearly two years I used both Premiere on a PC and FCP on a Mac for more than 40 hours a week. I think there's something to be said about a system that can win me over in a matter of days from a system I used for over 15 years (this is more along the Windows vs OS X argument here, I'll veer away ). I think Premiere just isn't what it used to be. They literally took out features when CS3 came out in an effort to force you into After Effects to do the simplest of effects, whereas Apple is giving the editor less and less reason to ever leave the FCP timeline.
I mentioned early in the thread that if you're on the PC side, go for Vegas. But Adobe has really left a bad taste in my mouth over the past year and half. 'Tis really sad, since it is what I learned on.
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I'm not questioning you Nate, I'm sure this is the experience that you've had. But I hear many hard core Mac users on the net tell about all the reliability problems in editing on a PC. But the vast majority of these reports seem to come from Mac users.
Oh, and I just want to point out that generally when a big group of people say the same thing, it's usually regarded as true People just tend to overlook that because we're Mac users.
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bgii_2000
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6/9 9:18pm
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NateCaauwe posted:
I think there's something to be said about a system that can win me over in a matter of days from a system I used for over 15 years (this is more along the Windows vs OS X argument here, I'll veer away ).
I can say just the same. In reverse. I was without my PC for a weekend and was forced to switch to FCP 6, from Premiere Pro CS3 to edit an HD project I was working on for a 48hr film festival. I missed the deadline for the festival because of the number of times FCP crashed while I was using it. Other than the crashing, I didn't really notice a difference between the two. Just a few minor interface changes.
NateCaauwe posted:
They literally took out features when CS3 came out in an effort to force you into After Effects to do the simplest of effects, whereas Apple is giving the editor less and less reason to ever leave the FCP timeline.
What has Adobe taken out of Premiere, and what has Apple added to FCP?
Also, pursuant to the advice of The Orphanage's Stu Maschwitz, I've always done my mastering in After Effects anyway.
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NateCaauwe
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Date Posted:
6/9 10:52pm
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RE: Avid Express Pro -- the lastest editing software.
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I can't do any transfer modes within the Premiere timeline like I can in FCP, which doing what I was doing (creative editing and weddings and such) was very useful to me. There actually used to be effects that gave you screen and add, but they're gone now. I have to use AE or 3rd party glitchy plugins for stabilization, whereas FCP has Shake's SmoothCam built right in; just drag and drop and it works like a charm. It actually analyzes the clip in the background while you continue editing. All this stuff is in Motion too, but there's no reason to make the editor boot up another app if you can do the same thing right there. I can also edit Motion templates within FCP.
Now can someone explain to me two things?
1) Why did Adobe simply take out some of the shortcuts in CS3? Specifically, "Export Movie/Audio/Frame." They didn't reassign those to other tools, nor did they assign new shortcuts to those actions. They just severed the association between the two for no reason whatsoever, forcing me to have to go in and assign it myself.
2) How come if I have Premiere...and I have After Effects...I still can't use Adobe Dynamic Link unless I have the entire Super-Über Creative Production Design Suite 9000 or whatever they're calling it these days? Back when you could buy each piece of Final Cut Studio separately, you could go between them whether you owned the whole studio package or not. Have Motion? Cool, send to Motion if you want. Have Shake? Sweet, send to Shake. It didn't matter whether you installed the whole package. It shouldn't matter with Adobe either.
All that aside, yes, they all get the job done, and the functionality between Premiere and FCP is similar enough that I was able pick up FCP and cut a movie in a few days without having ever used it before. It feels to me like the two are now drifting apart quite a bit. Premiere just isn't blowing my mind like Final Cut is with each new release. But hey, in the end, as long as you're happy with what you're using, rock on 
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bgii_2000
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6/9 11:14pm
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NateCaauwe posted:
I can't do any transfer modes within the Premiere timeline like I can in FCP, which doing what I was doing (creative editing and weddings and such) was very useful to me. There actually used to be effects that gave you screen and add, but they're gone now.
I believe the effect you're looking for is under channels. It's called "Blend". True there's no motion tracker, or stabilizer in Premiere.
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Now can someone explain to me two things?
(1) seems pretty nitpicky. And as for (2), I wouldn't know; I've got the super 9000 collection .
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NateCaauwe
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Yeah, #1 was very nitpicky, but unnecessary in my opinion I'll have to look for the Blend effect next time I find myself having to use Premiere, I may stand corrected here. I just love FCP's AE style of dropping a clip on the track above it and right clicking to choose any sort of commonly used blend mode you would find in a compositing app.
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Lord2
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I just noticed that the latest at the moment (5.8) don't like ANY Realtek sound card. It will only result in problems:
http://community.avid.com/forums/t/58937.aspx
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/avid-xpress-pro-t336508.html
and so on.
And Realtek is a major manufacturer of sound cards, so choosing Avid's software is not a good idea if you have a Realtek card. There are no solutions either than "update" but that won't help, or getting a new card. Also a bad one, because Realtek's cards have really good sound and works fine with everything else. Instead of shutting Realtek out, do the other way (shut Avid out).
Just a hint before considering getting their package.
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Master_Comyn
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The realtek driver issue isn't really a problem. Just download the patch or update to fix it. Now for all you warez users out there, you can't download it, so EAT IT!
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Lord2
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Master_Comyn posted:
The realtek driver issue isn't really a problem. Just download the patch or update to fix it. Now for all you warez users out there, you can't download it, so EAT IT!
Umm.. Yes it is. There is no patch/fix for this problem, not yet at least. I already have the latest update to my audio card and Avid has no fix to it either... So yes, that is an issue! (Also have the latest release, the previous releases doesn't solve anything)
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but it won't run on Vista 64 bit
That's why I won't upgrade my computer system to Vista. There is going to be new windows after Vista, and I am going to wait for that one. I'm stubborn, and it's just too much of a hassle to change everything because of Windows Vista.
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Master_Comyn
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Lord2 posted:
Umm.. Yes it is. There is no patch/fix for this problem, not yet at least. I already have the latest update to my audio card and Avid has no fix to it either... So yes, that is an issue! (Also have the latest release, the previous releases doesn't solve anything)
I bought my computer with an integrated realtek sound card, and a copy of Avid Xpress Pro HD (what I used in college mostly). The audio didn't work at all. After going through the help forums, I found it was a unique error for anyone using a realtek sound codec. They gave me the link to the Avid patch, and it was fixed. No issues.
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