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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/7 4:36pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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Boter posted:
Did you film at full 4k resolution? Care to indulge us as we ask what it was like, and what the main differences from working with DV were (aside from resolution, obviously)?
We did shoot at 4K. No reason to use the RED otherwise. 
Aside from the need for a dedicated focus puller (which even still was not quite as necessary given the deep DOF), and the fact that the camera is so absurdly heavy compared to an HVX (8-10 times) that shooting handheld means it's on your shoulder or you've only got a few takes before your arms give out, it's really not much different. Concepts of cinematography scale, and the editing with the proxies is no different than HVX footage.
Doing an online conform -- going from the proxies back to the source and rendering that in high quality -- is a new step, and Crimson made that work. The film was mastered in 1080p from 1080p ProRes files (looking back, the color-shifting might have looked even nicer if I'd done it via DPX instead of the ProRes, but eh).
Dark_Shinder posted:
Anthony Alba can kick some serius @$$...
You got that right. I was a fan of Anthony's stuff before I met him (he had a short on Everyone is Kung Fu Fighting that stood out to me), and getting to work with him is a joy and an honor. The talent he brings to the table is just phenomenal, especially when we're talking fight scenes, but he's also a very good writer, director, editor, and actor. He also brings total commitment and dedication to the projects; he stayed up with me until 4AM every night for the past week, doing the sound while I did the color (as well as working on some other projects we're juggling between the two of us). Absolutely a total-package filmmaker and an awesome collaborator. As with Ryan, I doubt I will ever make anything without Anthony's involvement from now on.
backdeskproductions posted:
Pretty good. I felt like I was looking down on the actors a lot.
Well-spotted. That would be the side effect of me shoulder-mounting the camera (I'm a bit taller than both of them). In future projects I want to go back to changing it up more, which means I'd better start working out more (or hire a buff camera op).
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BenMcEwan
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Date Posted:
7/7 5:00pm
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That fight choreography rocked!
Although, like many have already stated, the sound effects were a bit meh...
Keep em coming though Mike!
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Funk-E
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I think you folks are kind of missing the 'point' of the audio.
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kuatengineer
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7/7 8:02pm
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FWIW, I know I'm not the movie-tech guy here, but I was pretty impressed with the color change from blue to red. I thought keeping the background colors toned down was a good way to keep a little more focus on the red, if that was the reason for it. And, I agree with the notion that the sound was well-played for what it was - and homage to old films. It was like watching a kung fu movie on the local channel on a Sat afternoon. And that's not a bad thing 
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Dark_Shinder
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Funk-E posted:
I think you folks are kind of missing the 'point' of the audio.
True.
By the way, the Red "Scarlet" looks a lot more realistic for my budget (  3,000 USD) and at 3K resolution it's not too bad either...
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Ripper
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great to see some RED footage, a nice short and all 
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WolverineOfTheORS
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Yeah, that was okay. I thought it was lacking something though -- I can't quite put my finger on it. Probably a bit more energy with the editing and camera work.
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Lord_Charisma
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Very enjoyable. It's great to finally see some Red footage from you - shame about the DOF, but I enjoyed it a lot.
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bgii_2000
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I liked it. Fun fighting, and a fun little flik. Excuse me for asking, but why did you use the RED instead of the HVX? I don't really see what you gained by using it, and like you said, it was a pain to carry, and limited your shot choice. I mean, I know it was just a test and all (and because it's a test, you're therefore automatically using the RED) but why not choose to test it on something that you actually need it for?
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Ryan_W
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Read the first post.
It's essentially a camera test.
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Lord--Radon
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Hmmm. I understand that the HVX, from a technical standpoint, doesn't as closely approximate the film look as the RED. However, in viewing Kung Fu Red, I was having a difficult time noticing a substantial difference between its RED footage vs an HVX's footage. I'm referring to how the footage doesnt quite look feature quality (I know that the RED is capable of this). Was this because of the fact that it was a "quickie" shoot and you didn't really have time to get all the settings on the camera right? Heck, maybe its just me and the shooting style is throwing me off. At any rate, i'm just curious.
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He used the RED for this, because he had a RED. As far as I understand it, he shot this project BECAUSE he had a RED, and wanted to test it out. Could be wrong.
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elemental_fantasy
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The other thing I noticed on this, possibly why the RED results look like crap, is because it's harder to shoot digital outside for a film look compared to shooting indoor with more controlled 3 point lighting.
All in all, the HVX looks better then what I see in the RED, so does the TRV. And what I am seeing, is 90% all post optics, so whats the point?
Ummm, weren't some of you insisting on HOW MUCH the RED looks like FILM???? Anybody wanna make that comment now?
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/8 10:39am
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It would be kind of stupid of me to test out the RED's capabilities and workflow by shooting with the HVX, guys. 
KFR lacks the shallow depth of field that the RED has to offer because we did not have ND filters and it was a bright day. Hence we had to stop down the lens almost all the way. Hence it's got a deep DOF that makes it feel more like video than film in most places.
Nonetheless, I think the RED image is definitely different from an HVX image -- although the footage isn't all shallow DOF, there is a falloff in the focus, and you could never get the same field-of-view on the HVX without everything being totally sharp.
elemental_fantasy posted:
The other thing I noticed on this, possibly why the RED results look like crap, is because it's harder to shoot digital outside for a film look compared to shooting indoor with more controlled 3 point lighting.
It's also hard to shoot film outside without bounce boards, reflectors, and scrims. Which we didn't have.
elemental_fantasy posted:
All in all, the HVX looks better then what I see in the RED, so does the TRV.
That's because you don't know what you're talking about.
elemental_fantasy posted:
And what I am seeing, is 90% all post optics, so whats the point?
The point is that you have the information and the leeway to create various looks in post, whereas with the HVX and the TRV you're pretty much stuck with what comes out of the camera.
FYI, film also looks pretty crummy straight out of camera, because these days there's a DI (color grading) process. That means they try to shoot the scene with as much information as possible so they can push and pull it later, so when it first comes out of the camera it looks milky and low-contrast. That gives you the maximum information in the highlights and shadows. Even your BFF Michael Bay doesn't get the look he gets out of the camera, that's all color grading. So if you're going to ask "what's the point", you have to ask it about film, too.
elemental_fantasy posted:
Ummm, weren't some of you insisting on HOW MUCH the RED looks like FILM???? Anybody wanna make that comment now?
I'm still happy to say that if you didn't know this was shot on the RED, you wouldn't be mouthing off the way you are.
Well, you would I'm sure, but about something else.
And anyway, this particular project is probably the "worst" the RED can look. Uncontrolled lighting, no NDs, funky blown-out color grading. And I'll still take it over anything else, including film.
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Date Posted:
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Dorkmanscott posted:
KFR lacks the shallow depth of field that the RED has to offer because we did not have ND filters and it was a bright day. Hence we had to stop down the lens almost all the way. Hence it's got a deep DOF that makes it feel more like video than film in most places.
There we go, that explains some of the video look, I'll just have to wait to see more test, but try and be a bit more professional on how you shoot. No ND, clearly not thinkin... Not prepared.
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