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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/8 10:46am
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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elemental_fantasy posted:
There we go, that explains some of the video look, I'll just have to wait to see more test, but try and be a bit more professional on how you shoot. No ND, clearly not thinkin... Not prepared.
We hadn't planned a big shoot, and we couldn't rent NDs in time because the camera happened to come just before a 3-day weekend and everyone rented all the equipment in town. You assume WAY too much. Try and be more professional on how you comment, and maybe I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
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Dorkman, can you please upload a full resolution graded still from this in the highest quality you have? Even if you only mastered in 1920x1080p pro-res, it should look significantly better in that format than it would from an HVX.
People seem to be forgetting that they're watching Vimeo.
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elemental_fantasy
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Date Posted:
7/8 11:00am
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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DorkmanScott posted:
We hadn't planned a big shoot, and we couldn't rent NDs in time because the camera happened to come just before a 3-day weekend and everyone rented all the equipment in town. You assume WAY too much. Try and be more professional on how you comment, and maybe I'll start taking your opinion seriously.
Either way, you were still not prepared, don't make excuses... As well, I couldn't care less what you really think of my opinion as yours doesn't mean much to me in the least.
DorkmanScott posted:
It's also hard to shoot film outside without bounce boards, reflectors, and scrims. Which we didn't have.
Again, not being prepared, you have such an expensive camera, but no equipment to make the product look good, I can shoot on super 35mm, it will look like crap with no lights indoors!!!
DorkmanScott posted:
you don't know what you're talking about.
My days not complete until I hear you say that to me at least once. 
DorkmanScott posted:
you have the information and the leeway to create various looks in post, whereas with the HVX and the TRV you're pretty much stuck with what comes out of the camera.
OK, go to the bathroom and get ride of it, cause your full of it! I shoot on both camera's and am well aware of there post capability's, sorry your not. You seem to just be saying stuff now out of spite.
DorkmanScott posted:
FYI, film also looks pretty crummy straight out of camera, because these days there's a DI (color grading) process. That means they try to shoot the scene with as much information as possible so they can push and pull it later, so when it first comes out of the camera it looks milky and low-contrast. That gives you the maximum information in the highlights and shadows. Even your BFF Michael Bay doesn't get the look he gets out of the camera, that's all color grading. So if you're going to ask "what's the point", you have to ask it about film, too.
You don't have to tell me, I've shot more film then you know.... And I know how to shoot it and correct it's image.
DorkmanScott posted:
I'm still happy to say that if you didn't know this was shot on the RED, you wouldn't be mouthing off the way you are. And I'll still take it over anything else, including film.
Actually, I would think it's a lower level of camera then the RED. Hell, it's in the thread title, and is a test for the red, what in the world am I supposed to comment on? And as for you choosing the RED over film.....I don't even have to say anything else!!!
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/8 11:01am
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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7/8 11:25am (2 edits total)
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Spiff: I think I can get a still straight from camera that I can run through the grading. I'll post it ungraded as well.
I'll also post a few shots from a more controlled shoot that I think show off the DOF characteristics much better.
All that once my computer finishes rendering, as I can't get to any of that in the meantime.
e_f: For all your hot air about your "experience", I don't believe I've ever seen anything you've shot beyond that wand duel entry, and that sure wasn't Super35 quality.
If you ever had anything constructive to say, I could take your comments as valuable even without you having shot anything. Spiff hasn't shot a lot of stuff, at least not that I've seen, but he still adds plenty to the conversation and what he has to say is worth listening to.
But as it is, from you it's always a lot of hyperbolic huffing and puffing, adding nothing, with nothing to back it up, and I assure you that no one is impressed, nor fooled. If that's all you have to bring to the conversation, then you could save us both a lot of time by taking it somewhere else. I don't have to justify the work I do to anyone who didn't pay for it.
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Date Posted:
7/8 11:02am
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IMO, it's a great little piece of work that's great for testing how the RED works as a quick camera - an artist testing out new brushes with broad sweeps on a canvas. Dorkman won't make an amazing work of art with his first camera test - subsequent tests, made into short films if we're lucky, will further improve on using what the RED has to offer.
I'm looking forward to seeing more.
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DorkmanScott
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I'm uploading some 4K TIFFs now. It'll take a little while as they are 48MB/frame. I'll post links when I have them.
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Just watched this a few more times. It gets better with each viewing. I don't know how anyone can really complain about the camera quality, though. I'd settle for that seven days a week and twice on Sunday's.
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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7/8 11:52am (1 edits total)
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Here's a link to the first TIFF, ungraded straight out of RED Alert.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128184170/kfr_ungraded.tiff.html
I'm not sure there's much cause to do a graded version, actually. If anyone wants they can try their own hand at it. 
This was processed through Rec.709 color space. The next one I upload will be via REDspace.
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DorkmanScott posted:
Here's a link to the first TIFF, ungraded straight out of RED Alert.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128184170/kfr_ungraded.tiff.html
I'm not sure there's much cause to do a graded version, actually. If anyone wants they can try their own hand at it.
This was processed through Rec.709 color space. The next one I upload will be via REDspace.
Argh - download speed is less than 1k a second. Could anyone mirror this?
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With Dorkman's permission, I'll mirror the file and a few downsampled 1080p *.png files (once I've got it - 50 kB/s).
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DorkmanScott
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Sure, Spiff. Go for it.
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beafet
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Wow. Looks decent Mike. DLing the frame grab right now. Am I correct in figuring that an hour of footage (at 24p) would be ~ 4.3 TB? Or am I doing something wrong?
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TemporalCoder
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I really enjoyed that
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DorkmanScott
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beafet posted:
Am I correct in figuring that an hour of footage (at 24p) would be ~ 4.3 TB? Or am I doing something wrong?
No, your math is right. Luckily when shooting and otherwise dealing with RED footage, it's not 16-bit uncompressed TIFF files. Rather, the video streams come out of camera having been run through a proprietary wavelet compression scheme called REDCODE, which somehow manages to get 48MB/frame down to 36MB/second, or approximately 2GB/min. It does so with very little quality loss -- in fact without going into 1:1 pixels and viewing specific channels, you'd never see it except in super-high-frequency detailed scenes. So an hour of footage in REDCODE is about 120GB -- still a lot, especially if you're used to DV or even the HVX, but far more manageable.
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Date Posted:
7/8 12:38pm
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Ok, I've mirrored several things.
The original file uploaded to Vimeo (56 MB)
The 4K frame (48 MB)
And here are two quick grades I did at 1080p:
I pushed the colours a bit (7 MB)
I crushed the heck out of it trying to keep highlight and shadow detail. (3 MB)
I also added film grain to the crush - the footage was too clean
Note: the tiff file is 4096x2048 16 bpcc 4:4:4 which is why it's so large. While the several TB/hour estimate is correct for uncompressed 16-bit tiff files, the Red One shoots to a single 4096x2048 channel 12-bit wavelet compressed file. The tiffs are 16-bit to ensure quality isn't lost in the debayer process. There is actually 4x as much information in the tiff as there was in the original file... but since we don't all have debayering software for the Red One, a tiff is a the good way to preserve quality.
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