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DorkmanScott
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Mar '01
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Date Posted:
7/8 12:49pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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-Spiff- posted:
I also added film grain to the crush - the footage was too clean 
SEE?!
Here's another TIFF, this one from a different project; but that project is probably a couple weeks from completion (I've got too many other projects going right now and it's a low priority), so I can at least share a TIFF from footage under more controlled circumstances, which better shows off what the camera can do.
http://rapidshare.com/files/128198064/sg_ungraded_3.tiff.html
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Lord_Charisma
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Date Posted:
7/8 1:27pm
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An attempt at a colder, darker look... I used some masks to do the whole modern "preserving flesh tones" thing - they're heavily feathered and give themselves away a bit, but I'm just messing around.
Sorry for jpegging it; I think this internet connection would explode if I tried to upload a lossless one.
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-Spiff-
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Date Posted:
7/8 1:30pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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Mirror for the 2nd tiff.
A steely look for it. (1 MB).
Was this second tiff shot on Build 16? The blue channel has quite a few crow feet in it, which suggests to me it's from an earlier build.
For this grade I didn't need to add noise. The blue channel made up for it. More creative re-mapping of red and green channels to the blue channel could make a cleaner picture. Incidentally, I love the DOF in this shot. Here's hoping there's a rack focus on the gun in the actual footage
Note: if the black levels look wierd in my grades, be sure your browser supports colour management. In Firefox 3 type "about:config" use "gfx" in the filter bar, and change "gfx.color_management.enabled" to "true". This will slow browser performance, which is why it's not default in FF3. Reverse the procedure if the performance hit annoys you.
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/8 1:32pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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Both TIFFs are from projects shot on Build 15. I just upgraded to 16, and we have shot a bit on it, but for now that particular stuff is only going to be available via our FXPHD course. 
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G-Unit
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7/8 5:20pm
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This was very impressive and entertaining for a test. I enjoyed the camera angles even if you think of it as too modern Dorkman. Hope we can see more from the Red and you.
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VaporTrail
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May '02
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Date Posted:
7/8 9:09pm
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DorkmanScott posted:
FYI, film also looks pretty crummy straight out of camera, because these days there's a DI (color grading) process. That means they try to shoot the scene with as much information as possible so they can push and pull it later, so when it first comes out of the camera it looks milky and low-contrast. That gives you the maximum information in the highlights and shadows.
I had noticed that through various BTS features and deleted scenes from various DVDs. It is amazing to me just how much better the footage looks after they do all of their grading to it, compared to how crappy the before image would be considered.
Is grading done digitally nowadays, or is this something done directly to prints of the film?
Most of us have been through color-correction with our digital footage, what's the difference? And seeing as Red is this uber-filmlike digital format, what would the grading/correcting process be like for that?
//much to learn on color-correction i still have
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/8 10:01pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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VaporTrail posted:
Is grading done digitally nowadays, or is this something done directly to prints of the film?
It used to be done after the final edit, at the time it was a chemical process of exposing the film to the three primary colors of light for the desired amount of time for the look you wanted (hence the legacy term "color timing") and you basically only got one pass. In the last decade or so it's changed over to being a digital process, such that now it's noteworthy if a film doesn't "do a DI (digital intermediate)". And the DI process allows for more refined (some would argue unnatural) control over the image.
VaporTrail posted:
Most of us have been through color-correction with our digital footage, what's the difference? And seeing as Red is this uber-filmlike digital format, what would the grading/correcting process be like for that?
While the principles are more or less the same, the role and opportunities of grading are significantly expanded on the RED as opposed to, say, the HVX. For one thing, the dynamic range of RED is many times what the range of an HVX is. Which means in general there's more room to push and pull the image to create what you want with it.
The other major difference is that RED footage has no "inherent" gamma or color qualities. If you shoot with an HVX or something similar, the sensor records the data, it applies a gamma response curve, sets the white point, sets the color space, and compresses that all together to your tape or card media. The RED, alternatively, records the sensor data and applies the compression to THAT, leaving the response curve, white point, color space, and other details as metadata.
Basically, it's the difference between applying a bunch of effects to a layer in AfterEffects/Photoshop, and applying those effects to Adjustment Layers ABOVE the layer. In one case you are actually changing the picture when you apply an effect. In another the effect is overlaid, but the underlying data remains unchanged until you export the final frame. You are free to change or discard any effect or setting at any time without affecting the data itself. That's how RED works.
But like I said, not only do you have the opportunity to do more, you have the REQUIREMENT to do more, because the image out of the camera is designed to optimize latitude, not aesthetics. So it's on you to put on the filmic S-curve gamma and boost the saturation and sculpt the image. You are both free and committed to be much more actively involved in the creation of the final "look".
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Lord--Radon
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Lord--Radon posted:
Oh, and Andrew = Possible future co-lightsaber choreographer?
Crap. I meant Anthony. I'm soo sorry. I guess the two names have just about the same amount of characters
and both start with A so I got the name wrong. 
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PraetorDrew
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7/9 5:54am
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What program did you use to color grade? Red Alert? RedCine? Color? Final Cut? All of the above?
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The Jedi Apprentice
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Good stuff guys, I enjoyed it greatly!
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DorkmanScott
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Date Posted:
7/9 12:23pm
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RE: Shot on RED: Kung Fu Red
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Lord--Radon posted:
Lord--Radon posted:
Oh, and Andrew = Possible future co-lightsaber choreographer?
Crap. I meant Anthony. I'm soo sorry. I guess the two names have just about the same amount of characters
and both start with A so I got the name wrong.
As for that, Anthony does want to do a lightsaber fight at some point in the future, so when I'm in the mood to do lightsabers again (which may not be for a while) we might get some of that going. I do have to shoot something with Ryan first, and soon -- we've gotta be on record with the first 4K digital lightsabers.
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Teague
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7/9 12:52pm
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Just to reiterate how crappy a scan can look before a DI is done, as I've said before the scans we got for The Pacific were so low contrast that you almost couldn't see anything at all.
The finals coming out of editorial were beautiful, high conrast, and with lovely color.
So, DI's are awesome. 
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NateCaauwe
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Teague posted:
Just to reiterate how crappy a scan can look before a DI is done, as I've said before the scans we got for The Pacific were so low contrast that you almost couldn't see anything at all.
The finals coming out of editorial were beautiful, high conrast, and with lovely color.
So, DI's are awesome.
You were working in the right color space, right?
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_BrandonFlyte
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Without a lookup table, they'll appear washed out/milky. Some compositing programs (unfortunately not AE) have LUTs built in so you can see them a little closer to what they'll look like after the color grade.
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