Jedi Council Forums - RECIPROCITY

Locked Topic | Read Only Topic | Previous Active Topic | Next Active Topic

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 - Previous | Next | Reload

Author	Topic: RECIPROCITY
Flpngboy Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/22/02 8:06pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	I'm guessing he's talking about Frank Rizzi (Chief Riley). That would be an Italian accent. Anyway, I'm glad someone actually noticed that my char. was never taking anything seriously. We had to do something to separate Inquisitors from Sith. You notice that you still called the Inq. Sith. There are only two Sith. One is Palpy, one is Rann (for us). The idea behind not being serious and sarcastic is that his mind is totally under the control of Palpy. He feels no remorse, no grief, etc. He cares about being paid and nothing more. Soontar is becomeing powerful enough to break some of that control. With the gentle nudge of Nomi, he frees his mind. Problem for us is that we really couldn't explore that side of the story for the audience. That's our fault, but I doubt we could've kept sane with any more footage to work with Thanks for all of the input. We continue to learn from everyone that posts here.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
SZier Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/22/02 11:29pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	"...until the two Sith met up with that weird accent guy." Frank was a late casting call, but I think he did a great job. Originally the part was writen with a bit more of a country accent, so when Frank picked it up (he's italian)it came out sounding a little odd. I actually loved it though, it gave him a soldier of fortune type sound. I was never quite happy with the quality of footage we generated with that shoot though. Scott -----signature----- www.sourceentertainment.net www.prolificgames.com -> Sneak peak: sf.prolificgames.com! SWFanFilms: "Reciprocity"(TFN), "Recruitment" (AtomFilms), "Real Men of the Empire"(AtomFilms), "Inside the Empire"(?)
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Assassin Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 11/23/02 9:06am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Excellent fan film guys. I can't believe forum members here actually have the gall to put forward negative reviews considering 1)Most people here don't have any work of their own to stand behind 2)These are FAN FILMS and for a lot of people it's their first attempt period 3)Being critical doesn't demonstrate intelligence....more often than not it just demonstrates THAT YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT OF THIS NEW ART FORM Great movie!!!
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Flpngboy Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/23/02 9:19am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Easy there, Assassin. We welcome ALL comments about our film. MOST pro. movie critics have no work of their own to stand behind. It's ok for people not to like it. We now know that some people didn't really get the difference between Sith and Inq. We need ALL feedback. But thanks for standing in front of us like that.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
shwanzi Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/23/02 2:42pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	assassin, That's the most assinine thing I've ever heard. Last time I checked it was still okay to post one's opinion in public. I for one and not going to kiss someone's ass just because they made a film. They posted it for us to watch, I watched it, I thought it was decent, I posted my comments and that's it. I'm not going to wax over my comments at all just to please people. If you can't deal with that then you have no business posting here at all. Both negative and positive feedback is necessary to improve one's skills in any profession. When my fan film comes out I'm not going to b-tch and moan about the negative remarks I get, most of the time they have something interesting to say. Get over it. -----signature----- Screenwriter / Director of the 'Star Wars: Pathways' fan film trilogy - Chapter I available on http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms http://www.starwarspathways.com http://www.myspace.com/starwarspathways http://www.myspace.com/christopher_pico
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Assassin Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 11/23/02 9:04pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Perhaps I'm fortunate in the sense that the friends of mine, whom I choose to share my art with, reserve most of their negative opinions for the simple reason that they truly appreciatte that we leave in an environment that permits the exchange of creative ideas. I don't think any intelligent human being will sit on their death bed and say "God, I wish I had been tougher on all those people who were passionatte enough to share themselves with me via art" One positive remark is worth 10 negative ones. Some people use art (yes...even fan films) to express feelings they may otherwise feel powerless to convey. I'm sure they appreciatte your negative reception to their efforts. That will teach them to try and reach out to their peers. I guess only those of us who can create FLAWLESS art should be patted on the back. Just because you have an opinion about their work and are free to express it doesn't mean you should. Perhaps the flaw rests in you...the fact that you're too self absorbed with your own opinion to even get theirs. Turn that cynical eye towards yourself. Share the love....because someday your lonely butt will be wishing that others would do the same for you.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
alindsey3 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/23/02 11:05pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	I realize this is going to come off as maybe a little cruel, because I'm new here, after all, but I have to be honest. I've watched a ton of fan films. I love them. I've always wanted to make one myself, but I must admit I'm not very good at writing stories, so hats off to all of you who make the movies, regardless of how successful they are. Anyway, I downloaded RECIPROCITY, and immediately proceeded to watch it. I hate to admit, RECIPROCITY was the first fan film that I have found myself unable to sit through. (I made it about half way through) I'll try to explain myself as fairly and kindly as possible. The audio in this movie was poor. Very poor. The music was well too loud, leaving some of the dialogue a mystery. Some of the music itself was poorly selected. For instance, the music accompanying the lightsaber battle in that little bunker was far off tempo with the action. the beats just werent hitting at the right times. The dialogue seemed out of place for a Star Wars film. To me it seemed far too casual. I felt that at any moment one of the characters would burst out and say "Screw you, dude!" It would fit into something silly like "American Jedi", but, from my impression, this was an attempt at a "Serious" fan film. The characters werent all that interesting. It seemed more like two guys cruising the galactic mall than a Star Wars film. Also, I realize that budget is always an issue in these films. But even with your imagination in full gear, a stakeout team in cheap sunglasses, black T-shirts, and camo camo pants is too much to bear. However, I'm more willing to let that slide than I will a deceased female jedi in a short white sleeve T-shirt and deck pants. Yes, all in all I think that the production value is what turned me off about this movie the most. It's not in the ranks of "Duality", (I can't do CG for anything, so I'll stay out of that arguement.) -But, the production value isn't terrible. On a 100 percent scale, it scores about a 50% in my view, and unfortunately, it left me feeling annoyed. And yes, I will finish watching it, I promise. I hope the people who made this film don't think I'm slaughtering them, because it WAS a decent effort, but I'm betting they can do much better.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
SZier Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/23/02 11:57pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	"but I'm betting they can do much better." Thank you for your comments. If you read my earlier post, you'll notice I agree with a few points you made. Some scenes were stronger than others, depending on when we shot them. For me, the focus was always on cinematography... what I would put in the shots, and how I would move the point of view. A few things: "However, I'm more willing to let that slide than I will a deceased female jedi in a short white sleeve T-shirt and deck pants." Actually, that costume is off a concept sketch from Lucas arts. I think the level in which we want to believe something in a film, is the level in which we will. Han solo wore a vest and a button down, for example. That being said, just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should. Her change of appearance in the dream sequence was planned to reflect more of the mental image Soontar is dreaming. I think the costume has been mimicked enough in both SWGalaxies, and in Tales of the Jedi that it isn't that much to let slide. It's a matter of opinion though. "The dialogue seemed out of place for a Star Wars film. To me it seemed far too casual." Can you be a little more precise? Maybe with an example? Anyway, I don't profess to be a veteran script writer. I really just aimed for rolls and performances that would be believable for the appearance of the characters. The Inquisitors didn't need to be all dark and sinister. I didn't think having brittish accents was nessisary for us either. In the story they are not that old, 23-25. I think the dialogue between them formed a good base for the type of relationship the two carried. Many of their conversations are supposed to be casual. Looking at other character interactions in the SW Movies, there is a lot of casual dialogue. In fact, in ANH Luke is downright whiny. ;-) This has all been a learning experience for us, and our goals did increase over time. Hopefully you approved more of the Senate opening, or the Rann costume for example. I'm sorry you didn't like the film (and for the audio problems, which are still being looked at.) I would think that before posting the review however, you should go ahead and finish watching. (In order to provide feedback on the action sequences at the end, etc). Lets us know both what you liked, and what you didn't. That would help us a lot as well. :-) Scott -----signature----- www.sourceentertainment.net www.prolificgames.com -> Sneak peak: sf.prolificgames.com! SWFanFilms: "Reciprocity"(TFN), "Recruitment" (AtomFilms), "Real Men of the Empire"(AtomFilms), "Inside the Empire"(?)
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Nathan PTH Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/24/02 2:33am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	RECIPROCITY CREATORS: Interested in doing an interview edition of ChronoRadio? One's coming with the director and start of "Drugs" here in a week or so, and with as quickly as interview versions can get out, I'm betting we could do so pretty quickly, maybe for an early January release if you were interested. If you're up for it, drop me a PM. -----signature----- --Nathan Butler The Star Wars Timeline Gold Second Strike & Anthology (Audio Dramas) ChronoRadio (SW Continuity Talk Radio) http://www.starwarz.com/timeline
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
shwanzi Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 6:58am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	I'm sorry Reciprocity guys for getting off topic here, but this Assassin guy is asking for it. As I said before, I'm not going to lie about my opinion, regardless on how hard someone worked on a fan film. I'll say it right now, there's a few I've seen that I've absolutely hated and have made that clear in their threads. They thanked me for being brutally honest because I pointed out flaws that they overlooked. I've never gotten harassed about it by anyone until now. Besides, the person who should be harassing me is the person who made Reciprocity, ans he's already said that he welcomes negative comments. You have no business complaining about my posts since you had nothing to do with the movie. As for that 'death bed' line you wrote before, I'd rather have my freinds be honest with me about everything than lie and make up shite to protect my feelings. The fan film I'm shooting in a few weeks had it's share of dialogue problems, but through my cast being COMPLETELY HONEST about what they thought was bad and good, we have been able to fix and correct it, and now I feel we have a better screenplay than I originally wrote. How's that for being too confident in my own opinion. If I went by that comparison I would've told them all to screw off and not even consider changing a word lest they be relieved from duty. How'd you like them apples? -----signature----- Screenwriter / Director of the 'Star Wars: Pathways' fan film trilogy - Chapter I available on http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms http://www.starwarspathways.com http://www.myspace.com/starwarspathways http://www.myspace.com/christopher_pico
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Assassin Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 11/24/02 8:28am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY - Date Edited: 11/24/02 8:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Assassin
	That's a very poor argument. A person does not have to be directly involved in something in order to express an opinion about the behavior and mindeset of other people. We should all make it an effort to discourage other people from spewing forth needless negativity. We're not policing politics here...this is art and noone can ever prove that someones creation is bad. There are no mathematics out there that can represent art. If you're an intelligent adult you'll know that art can never inherently be right OR wrong. It is was it is. But more importantly it's representative of another human being. If you bash the art you're bashing the person. Try being nice Shwanzi.....are you really proud of yourself because you criticize other people and their artwork? Do you enjoy this? Perhaps you were physically and verbally abused as a small child and you can only qualify the outside world by pointing out its flaw just as your parents did with you. The dark side I sense in you.
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Nabil41 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 10:26am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	This was a great fan film and something very original that was added to the TFN library. The shots were awesome and the concept was clear (audio had some problems). I am actually sort of afraid now... Rise of the Black Sun (our fan film) is entering the final stages of production. Your film is much like ours (the villian that I play is Darth Rhan!!!). A lot fo the scenes look similiar to ours as well as their execution. I just hope that ours is half of what your film is. Excellent job. -----signature----- The Sun Is Rising... rotbs@decaphase.com http://www.rotbs.com
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
shwanzi Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 11:36am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Oh grow up. You bringing my parents into this helps me realize how immature you really are. Why do all the teenagers post crap like that? I wonder if there's anyone here over 24 at all sometimes. And remember, I never said I didn't like the movie. I said it was decent. Get the facts straight. -----signature----- Screenwriter / Director of the 'Star Wars: Pathways' fan film trilogy - Chapter I available on http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms http://www.starwarspathways.com http://www.myspace.com/starwarspathways http://www.myspace.com/christopher_pico
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
althegreat Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 11:42am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	shwnazi, i resent that. simmer chillins. -----signature----- Live and learn and then don't get JVC cameras
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History
Nathan PTH Registered: Mar '00	Date Posted: 11/24/02 12:18pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY - Date Edited: 11/24/02 1:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Nathan PTH
	"Perhaps you were physically and verbally abused as a small child and you can only qualify the outside world by pointing out its flaw just as your parents did with you."--Assassin "Oh grow up. You bringing my parents into this helps me realize how immature you really are. Why do all the teenagers post crap like that?"--shwanzi Oh for chrissake, you BOTH sound like asinine two-year-olds! Give it a rest or debate the point. You sound like middle schoolers: "You suck." "With your mouth." "Hi, My Mouth." "Hi, Me." Jesus. -----signature----- --Nathan Butler The Star Wars Timeline Gold Second Strike & Anthology (Audio Dramas) ChronoRadio (SW Continuity Talk Radio) http://www.starwarz.com/timeline
	Locked Topic \| Active Topic Notification \| Private Message \| Post History

Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 - Previous | Next | Reload