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Nabil41 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 12:31pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Nathan... U quoted someone else as me... get the quotes straight. -----signature----- The Sun Is Rising... rotbs@decaphase.com http://www.rotbs.com
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swmaster Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 11/24/02 1:53pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Thid is difinately a worthy effort for a film! Props for the length! My oppinions. Good overall but like others have said the sound was pretty bad. The saber fighting could have been more interesting and realistic but its definately not near the worst i've seen. I agree with the pacing problems that were discussed above. The lightsaber being cut in half looked great! The lightsaber catch scene looked great too but the lightsaber that he is grabbing isn't the right one! One thing that kind of bugged me is all the toy lightsaber props. For some reason every time I see one in a film I can't help laughing, beacause I have a wall full of them! Your lightsaber effect looked a little too stamped out and plain for my tastes, perhapse you should try rounding the tips to get a better effect. They looked like they were from Alam-DV. SWmaster -----signature----- I allways knew PC's were better than mac. Heres proof... http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/cgi-bin/getframeletter.cgi?/2002/05_may/features/cw_aeshowdown.htm LOL and keep making fillms! http://www.iw.net/~ddegroot/
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alindsey3 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 3:07pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Fret not, I have finished watching it and I'm watching it again, just to make sure.
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Assassin Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:01pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Don't be so self centered and egotisitical Shwanzi. I was addressing the forum as a whole. I think its humerous that you thought I was aiming my comments towards you and you alone. I'm amazed at how self-absorbed you are.
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MacGyver635 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:05pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Reciprocity was pretty neato. i got a few questions for whoever can answer them 1- what method of saber glow were they using. My guess is the Layer Glow thing for Photoshop. 2- Why were the sounds sped way up for the first saber fight against the girl. Yep thats aboot it. -M dogg
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alindsey3 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:22pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Okay Scott. I watched the film again. I agree that I most likely should have watched the whole thing through the first time, but I was really ...bored. Anyway: Yes I did like the senate sequence. It was visually impressive, but it was very hard to hear what was going on. The audio problem doesn't really need to be "looked at". the music is just WAY too loud, and in some cases, the volume level of the dialogue is just way too soft. Especially in the senate scene, and whenever Soontar is speaking. I didn't even know his name WAS Soontar until I watched the film again. I just couldn't hear it. As what I meant for the dialogue itself, there was far too much use of the word "yeah". I agree that British accents are overdone, but this was more like 21st century "American lazy" speech. "yeah" just doesn't fit. Especially with such frequency. It kind of shattered the illusion of a Star Wars movie for me. It sounds picky, but when the sith is talking to Soontar and he says "we'll deal with this when you get back." I don't know, it just didn't sound right. Sometimes changing one word can make a world of difference. Considering the character, something like "We'll deal with this when you RETURN." would have been much better. I know it doesn't seem like much, but when writing, the most important thing to remember is to write for the EAR and not the eye. Go back to that scene and watch it again. Put yourself in the mindset of the character based on tradional SW dialogue and say the line. replacing 'get back' with 'RETURN' Which one fits better? Maybe I'm weird, but, 'get back' hit me in the face like a board. At a few times, I felt that some of the dialogue was extraneous. For instance when they were talking about "blaster duty." they could have just kicked the door in instead of actually saying "Shall we kick it then?" Its important to keep thing moving. I also felt that at the ned of that sequence that the line "don't point that thing at me." was a bit campy. the inquisitor merely should have casually shot a glance to him and executed the force push. Sometimes, less is more, my friend. I did like the slow motion boot angle when the troops stormed into the bunker though, even though thats a cliche movie angle, it always seems to work. Maybe it could have been a couple seconds shirter though, because it seemed like that even though things had slowed down considerably for the purposes of the shot, it seeme to me that at least one of the inquisitors could have stopped the execution. Especially since the order was so clearly given for the troops to stand down. Shave a couple seconds off that, and I think you're good to go. (I think the troop commander should have been killed, by the way. It's usally a standing rule not to piss off a guy with a red saber. ...and I think the blade though the head would have been really cool.) I like the climactic battle scene, the choreography was impeccable...up until near the point of the kill. The Sith Lord had at least 2 or 3 seconds before Soontar stabbed him though the chest. (when they were on the ground) go back and look at it. The sith had an easy free swing. Soontar should be a wall ornament All that being said, I applaud a solid effort. I would also like to say that I do a lot of sound work, and I would be more than happy to mix your next film for you. excuse any typos. I'm too lazy to go back and edit.
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Flpngboy Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:31pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	"1- what method of saber glow were they using. My guess is the Layer Glow thing for Photoshop." - Mac I take it you didn't like the glow Commotion for matting AE for blurring and glow effects. I'll let Scott deal with question 2. I don't think we did speed them up, but not my department.
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MacGyver635 Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:35pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Dont get me wrong. I did like the sabers. They were just a little cut off at the end. The sounds were sped up. Ive tried the same thing before and got similar results. Nice Job on all the CG templates. What program did you do those with?
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dan005e Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 4:51pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	There were some complaints regarding bad lighting in certain scenes. Well I am using the Divx version of the film and with the Windows Media Player, I went into the visual options and boosted the brightness just a hair and now I can see the CGI backgrounds of that Inquister starship. Like before the cockpit was really dark but now I can it cyrstal clear. Just something I found out and it works perfectly.
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SZier Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 5:11pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	"it seeme to me that at least one of the inquisitors could have stopped the execution." Well, that is where you start to learn a few things about the characters and story. Soontar is in a deep mind trick / trance being put upon him by the Jedi woman. (There is a bit more to it than that, as she is partially connecting her force essence so she can pester him later.) He's not really in any condition to make any move to stop the guards until she turns her attention away, and by then it is to late. Allen's character, on the other hand, doesn't really care much one way or the other. He was ready to take them out himself, and didn't understand why he was waiting in the first place. "I think the troop commander should have been killed, by the way. It's usally a standing rule not to piss off a guy with a red saber." Again, the Inquisitors are not Sith. They are force sensitive individuals, trained to get the job done, but their attitude and reasons for hunting the Jedi vary greatly. In particular, it would have defeated much of Soontar's character and honor to have killed Riley. This is especially true as part of the early argument at the refueling station was that Soontar would not kill people who he was not instructed to directly by the Senate. "Sith Lord had at least 2 or 3 seconds before Soontar stabbed him though the chest." Maybe. Rann also falls and puts all of his weight on his saber hand though. Being able to spring back up, and get off a swing would be very close. In addition, he is a bit surprised, and it takes time to understand what is going on. On the other hand, Soontar could have done in faster as well. You're right though, it could have been a little bit faster and not lost any of it's effect. "Why were the sounds sped way up for the first saber fight against the girl." Oooo. Well, it became a timing issue. Those were old effects I had used a long time before I worked on the rest of the films sound. I should have gone back and reworked those shots with the swing noises used later in the film, but it became urgent for us to get the film out and move on. (As it was our learning project.) They were sped up when certain shots from that scene had their framerate altered to make the fight jump more. "Nice Job on all the CG templates. What program did you do those with?" Thanks. I used 3D Studio Max for the models, Vue 3.1 did the background mountains, and After Effects for the placement into the live footage. Scott -----signature----- www.sourceentertainment.net www.prolificgames.com -> Sneak peak: sf.prolificgames.com! SWFanFilms: "Reciprocity"(TFN), "Recruitment" (AtomFilms), "Real Men of the Empire"(AtomFilms), "Inside the Empire"(?)
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dan005e Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 5:21pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY - Date Edited: 11/24/02 5:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: dan005e
	One question Scott. The person playing Sidious or whoever the second inquiseter is talking to at the end: Was that you Scott? I was watching that scene after I boosted the brightness slightly on my Windows media player and saw the lower part of the face and maybe its me but personally i think it is you. Is it? Edit: 101st post
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Boondock_Saint_Marc Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 7:20pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	In response to some people's thoughts that the dialogue was a little too casual, I personally think that it added to the feel of the film, rather than making it too "earthy." I can understand that some people might think that having casual dialogue detracts from the sort of majesty of the Jedi and a Star Wars film, but I think it acutally made it seem more realistic. The way the script was written you can really get a feel for the companionship between the two Inquisitors with their complaining and wise-cracking, as opposed to being all buisness, all the time. Han Solo has a lot of the same style. For example in the one scene when everyone's boarding the Falcon in Ep IV, he says that the made some "special modifications m'self," along with the usual "watch it kid!" and the like. I personally just liked it since it made the dialogue seem more fluid and less DRAMATIC (cue music) than a lot of other films. But then again, that's just me
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winter1 Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 11/24/02 8:27pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Without analayzing the film too much, I must say thank you (to the film maker/cast&crew)for making such a great fan film!
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SZier Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/24/02 11:21pm Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY - Date Edited: 11/24/02 11:26pm (2 edits total) Edited By: SZier
	"Was that you Scott?" ;-) Yes, it was. At the last moment we realized we hadn't shot that part, so I jumped in and filled it. It was actually done in front of a white wall in my room, one take. Allen fed me the lines from the script. I was really worried if it would be passable, but you're the first to notice. Reciprocity is supposed to be dark, as it helps set the mood and also covers all of our little mistakes. ;-) Scott -----signature----- www.sourceentertainment.net www.prolificgames.com -> Sneak peak: sf.prolificgames.com! SWFanFilms: "Reciprocity"(TFN), "Recruitment" (AtomFilms), "Real Men of the Empire"(AtomFilms), "Inside the Empire"(?)
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Flpngboy Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 11/25/02 5:04am Subject: RE: RECIPROCITY
	Well it's also not like we had a dead ringer for Sid anyway There is just very little you can do about HAVING to use a char from the original movies because it's so obviously not really them. Well, ok Dark Redemption DID get someone, but that was a rare exception and a small part.
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