Author Topic: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 6/29 7:05pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
Trika posted:
I sure as hell would have done my part to drum up interest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Ditto on this one. I don't remember hearing anything past the fact of it was being discussed, and I'm the one who thought of it. Now, I guess that could be because I disappeared for a while, but I still checked my PM's and I don't remember ever getting a PM about this...

I like her idea of interviewing people. Maybe I took this idea a bit further than what she was insinuating, but perhaps we could have a weekly/monthly interview with some prominent website creator/administrator. I am sure it wouldn't be too hard to scrounge up an interview with the creators of some fairly big websites. I think that would be pretty cool.

bac posted:
Also, you can’t do that without other mods signing onto it, and other mods can sometimes be hard to convince if they have no interest.

Then perhaps those people shouldn't be mods? I mean, it is part of their job description to do what's best for the boards, no? This board is a part of the forum at large, and if they don't want to talk about Fan Sites or help this board out because they "have no interest", then they should not have that position.

bac posted:
I used to be an idealist about this to, truth be told. Then I became the Fan Sites moderator and realized that people just don’t care.

Now, don't take what I am about to say in a way that makes you upset, but I am just stating what I seen over the past year since you've been mod: it seems to me that you did not try too hard after becoming a mod. Correct me if I am wrong, but there were periods of weeks and months where you did not post anything in this forum. I distinctly remember asking for a new mod because of that reason. Now, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, so, like I said, correct me if I am wrong.

Perhaps we should focus more on fixing this place than complaining to one another. wink Quite frankly, I like the idea of a weekly/monthly interview.

PS: I am trying to find my off-site that I had all my ideas on. I can't seem to locate it at the moment (a broken computer = losing everything including bookmarks).

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 1:09am Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
I don’t want to clog this thread up with too much debating, since that was never my intention and I probably shouldn’t have been so forceful, but I do just want to briefly reply to a few comments.

Trika_Kenobi posted:
First, you sure have an answer for everything. Since you've deftly sliced through my post and answered everything with an approving or dissenting vote, I suppose that's that for suggestions.


Just want to make sure you’re not mistaking what I’m saying as shooting you down. I’m just stating my opinion, even if it did become a rather blunt dialogue. happy

Trika_Kenobi posted:
Second, please don't go to the extreme of everything and act like I want you to post full PM discussions or spam the hell out of people's sites. I mean... really? I do have common sense.


I didn’t say you said to post full PM discussions or spam people’s sites. I’m just saying that I can’t really discuss PMs at all, and that I don’t like going to people’s sites for the sole purpose of only advertising. Sorry if you misinterpreted what I was saying.

darth_nemesis posted:
Then perhaps those people shouldn't be mods? I mean, it is part of their job description to do what's best for the boards, no? This board is a part of the forum at large, and if they don't want to talk about Fan Sites or help this board out because they "have no interest", then they should not have that position.


That’s not fair to say. Everyone has their own opinions about what’s best for their boards and the JC as a whole. You can’t just say that they have to do what you want because you feel it’s best for the board, and if they don’t then they shouldn’t be mods. If I’m misreading what you’re saying, I apologize.

darth_nemesis posted:
Now, don't take what I am about to say in a way that makes you upset, but I am just stating what I seen over the past year since you've been mod: it seems to me that you did not try too hard after becoming a mod. Correct me if I am wrong, but there were periods of weeks and months where you did not post anything in this forum. I distinctly remember asking for a new mod because of that reason. Now, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, so, like I said, correct me if I am wrong.


I tried as hard as I personally could. Yes, there was a specific period of a few weeks where I wasn’t posting much. I accounted for that to multiple people. It’s water under the bridge at this point. In the beginning, I would post all of the time in Fan Sites. I would reply to a lot of threads, give good feedback, etc. You have no idea how disheartening it is for a moderator to do all of that and then see the feedback go unresponded to because someone just wanted to drop a link to their website.

Let us know when you find your stuff, Nemesis. happy

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  16669 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 9:19am Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
jedimasterbac posted:
While we are talking about potential mergers or just shutting this board down completely and perhaps salvaging the important information, we want to make sure that you, the Fan Sites board participants, have your voices heard in this.


Would it be possible for you to mention what possible mergers there could be for this board and what information would be salvaged? Where exactly would all this stuff end up if the board closed?

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30 9:40am Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
JEDIGUNSHIP posted:
jedimasterbac posted:
While we are talking about potential mergers or just shutting this board down completely and perhaps salvaging the important information, we want to make sure that you, the Fan Sites board participants, have your voices heard in this.


Would it be possible for you to mention what possible mergers there could be for this board and what information would be salvaged? Where exactly would all this stuff end up if the board closed?


Well, I don't want to discuss specifics of potential mergers, but I'll say that one of the ideas is to have a thread in one or more boards about websites, much like the icons thread in Comms.

 

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darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 11:50am Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
So, I happened to find my offsite thread. Turns out, some of these may not do much in the way of helping keep this forum alive (in the sense of bringing new members in as to just having more for us to discuss). But, I will post a few.

I had ideas for different question threads (polls). I think this was done to some extent, but I think we could hash out a lot of good poll questions.

Also, I think it would be pretty helpful for us if we integrated a little bit with fan films. Fan film directors/makers probably have their own website or have need for a website. They could post links to their sites here, we could critique them, etc. Or, we could even have a few people offer to build websites for them (this could be stretching it. I am just throwing some stuff out there).

I had an idea that we have a "featured" web site. That site would be featured as a sticky thread or have a link at the top in the header of the forum (along with our username and such at the top). That would give more visibility to a single thread. We could make a list of criteria that would be needed in order to be featured. Said list could include things as maintaining a presence here. That way, it could benefit both them (getting their site visibly seen) and us.

Something that I think could work is evolving this forum a little. Not just fan sites. Web design encompasses more than just web site creation. There is banner creation that goes into it. Software. Why not make this a sort of tech forum, we we can talk about other things besides just web sites? Something that could really, really help us out is incorporating the JC's Banner and Icon making threads into this forum. I could see this not going over with the MS for some reason, but I think that would be a wonderful idea.

I think it would be a good idea to put a few more links up at the top next to the social thread and stuff (I think it would be especially important to update those links. They are outdated). I think the "Guide to Building a Website" that I created would be fitting. A quick look back into the pages of fan sites would probably allow us to find some threads that could go up there.

We could also PM some former regulars to try and come back. I am not sure how many are still around, but I know one member is for sure. In fact, he is the current Head Admin. As Head Admin, I think he should be willing to help this forum out a little. Grimby the Hutt use to have what he called Web Workshops that he posted a couple of times. Why not bring that back?

I think I also mentioned to bac (maybe DV back in the day) about trying to integrate a little bit with theforce.net's main page a little. Perhaps see if they could reserve a section on their site for us. It wouldn't be too much to ask, and definitely wouldn't hurt to ask.

So, that's what I came up with a while back. I think some of these could definitely be helpful.

Just a little suggestion. Perhaps you should edit the title of the Welcome thread at the top to include that there is an index in there. I was a little confused just now. tongue

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 12:17pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
darth_nemisis posted:
I think I also mentioned to bac (maybe DV back in the day) about trying to integrate a little bit with theforce.net's main page a little. Perhaps see if they could reserve a section on their site for us. It wouldn't be too much to ask, and definitely wouldn't hurt to ask.


Asked and refused, unfortunately.

 

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darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 6:51pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
Bummer. Did they give a good reason? Or just a simple no?

What do you think of the other ideas?

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 7/8 6:56pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...) - Date Edited: 7/8 6:56pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jedimasterbac
Most of them are good ideas, but it just gives those of us who are here something to do as opposed to actually bringing new people in, as you said yourself. The featured website was also tried by DVEditor for a number of months awhile back, but it didn't really produce any noticeable results. The websites were even mentioned on TF.N main and really didn't do much of anything. When I was actually operating my website then, there was no real spike in views because of it. It ended up being a bit of a dud.

Another one of your ideas is very interesting, but I can't comment on why at the moment. Let's just say that it's something we've been discussing for the last few days.

 

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darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 7/9 10:01pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
Yeah, but I still don't think you should rule any of those out. Even if they do only give us more to do, that is still more than what is happening now. Who knows, if there is more activity going on in here, maybe other people will come in just because of that.

I think one thing that may be causing the Fan Sites Forum slowness is that people are unaware that it even exists. I know that on multiple occasions when I have mentioned this place to other people, said person is always like: "What's the Fan Sites forum?" Perhaps we could do something with the Welcome New Users forum. I know the RPF just recently posted their "adoptions" thread in there and I have seen a bit of a growth in activity. What we could do exactly, I am not sure (I doubt we can just create a thread and say, "Hey, come to Fan Sites!"). I know we could direct people to our forum in individual threads with something like: "Hey, if you're interested in web design, go here (and link to Fan Sites)!"

Which idea are you referring to, out of curiosity... thinking

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 7/9 10:09pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
darth_nemisis posted:
Which idea are you referring to, out of curiosity... thinking


You'll see. tongue

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 11:08am Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
From this weeks MSU/ATB:

MSU/ATB posted:
The Mod Squad has reached a decision regarding the future of the Fan Sites forum. The Fan Sites forum as we know it will be closed and archived. However, in its place, a new form will be created with a slightly different focus. The new forum will still include discussion on all aspects of web design, but it will also include graphic design and other relevant topics. This forum will not be an advertisement board or a place to show off websites, but rather a place for users to seek help and feedback on their design, or discuss the technical aspects of their design. The board will be home to tutorials and help threads for website design and graphic design, as well as the creation of JC banners and icons. JC banner and icons discussion, however, will remain in their respective Comms threads.

 

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darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 4:21pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
sad Bummer.

So, when exactly will this be going down? Will some of the threads here be moved there? For example, some of the guides that I (and I am sure there are others, if we look) could still fit over in the new forum. Or would it be better if they were reposted?

Ultimately, I am pleased with this decision. I think it is a good move that can work. Good job, bac and the rest of the MS. happy

 

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Grimby the Hutt  16938 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 4:29pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
We will definitely want to move any threads from here that fit the guidelines of the new forum. So anything you'd like to see moved you can either post here or let Bac know.

We are excited about the new forum and it's new direction. Any input or questions are welcome and much appreciated.

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 4:35pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
Grimby the Hutt posted:
it's


You did it again.

Strike three and you're replaced as Head Admin. tongue

 

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darth_nemisis  11925 posts
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Date Posted: 7/16 4:41pm Subject: Future of Fan Sites - Board Discussion (that means YOU and the guy with the face in the place...)
Here are a few I can think of:
  • [Discussion]What is Web Design

  • [Poll]Which Message Board is Better?

  • Looking Back: 10 Years of tf.n

  • [Discussion]How do I create a Website?

  • [Discussion]Web Host Discussion

  • [Discussion]HTML Discussion

  • A Guide to Building a Website

  • Please, For The Good Of The Community, Read Before Making A Star Wars Website - This may not be necessary. Or it could be broadened into a thread about websites in general.

  • I am not sure if you guys would rather move or repost some of these threads. I think the Discussion threads could be reposted, which may make it look neater but will lose the posts. Also, I am sure there are more, I just went back a few pages.

    If an Index for the new forum is needed to start, I will be more than happy to help with it. (Though, not sure if you would need me for such a thing).

     

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