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Jedi_Dajuan
Title: •Admiral of FanForce •RPG & Minis Forum
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Date Posted:
7/23/07 10:46am
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Updated FF Rules Q&A thread
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Please post any questions you have about the updated FanForce rules here.
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Jada
Title: Chapter Rep Charlotte, NC
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Date Posted:
7/24/07 11:30am
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hello!
I wanted to bring up something about this point in number 11:
Advertising is not allowed except for FanForce charity events or a FanForce sponsored group event (ie group garage sale). People who sign up to just advertise will be banned and their posts removed.
Since I've been in on the discussion I thought it might be a good idea to clarify this. This doesn't mean that every event, get together, etc. has to be Star Wars related. If people in your group are into BSG, Firefly, Star Trek they can have something related to this in the forum. Meaning say their is a person in your group that also belongs to the Browncoats [Firefly/Serenity group] and the Browncoats are having a picnic and open it up to the Fanforce. It would be ok to advertise this.
What would not be ok would be to advertise cults, pyramid marketing things [AMWAY] or other such things.
Dajuan, is this correct?
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Jedi_Dajuan
Title: •Admiral of FanForce •RPG & Minis Forum
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7/24/07 12:07pm
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That's pretty much it.
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MasterSifo-Dyas
Title: FF DB516 Council Member. L.I. NY
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Date Posted:
7/25/07 7:27pm
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Hi,
Im the treasurer of the Long Island Fan Force.
Concerning Club membership -- "Membership can not be denied based on a person's age ( for people over 18). All official fan force events need to be open to all ages and family friendly."
Our club requests that FF add a policy on underage members. Can we require guardians or permission slips?
Does anyone second the motion that it is unclear what kind responsibility a club has for an underage-member's conduct at an official event.
--Billy
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cathiecat
Title: Tuscon FF Historian
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8/22/07 12:15pm
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yes I second that.. and also it must be noted that since a young person of the age of 13 has the right to post on the boards that doesn't that technically mean they have the right to be actual members of the fan force they attend meetings, functions, and events of?
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Jada
Title: Chapter Rep Charlotte, NC
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Date Posted:
8/22/07 12:32pm
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cathiecat posted: yes I second that.. and also it must be noted that since a young person of the age of 13 has the right to post on the boards that doesn't that technically mean they have the right to be actual members of the fan force they attend meetings, functions, and events of?
Actually COPPA laws don't allow a person under the age of 13 to post on a message boards and tf.n has to comply with those laws.
I think what has come down from the Old Folks Home [FF version of the Mod Squad] is that each Fan Force can develop their own underage policy. It is prudent to require parents to sign a waiver saying their 13 to 18 year old can attend events but that the FF is not responsible for them and will not be held liable for them. Under 13 my personal thought is that the parent has to be present.
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halibut
Title: FF Admin & UK RSA Forum Feud Winner
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Date Posted:
8/22/07 1:04pm
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Each chapter/FF can have their own policy on "underage" members. But as said, it is strongly advisable to have a permission slip and/or parent contact details and/or parental accompaniment (either for the first meet or for all meets) etc.
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gandalfbmg
Title: Retired Councilor Alliance KC, MO FF
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Date Posted:
8/22/07 1:10pm
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I'm no lawyer, but I've always been told that permission slips are a pretty flimsy protection if you have unaccompanied minors at your events. SOMEONE (besides the minor) will always be held liable if something happens to (or is done by) someone who's under 18, and signing a form doesn't neccesarily absolve the FF (or more accurately, the organizers, leadership, and members) of that liability. If you are going to rely on them, I hope you have a lawyer as a member who can review it first. Because we don't have that, we have made the 'better safe than sorry' route and say that noone under 18 is allowed w/o parental supervision. It sounds like each group can make it's own call, but I would advise caution because from what I've heard, if something happens they can come after any and all organizers, leaders, members, etc if something happens.
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halibut
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8/22/07 1:23pm
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I don't think it's purely the "legal protection" route, but certainly general courtesy plays a role.
Organisations such as the cub scouts and other "childrens" groups also have to have indemnity insurance for such eventualities, as well as parental permissions slips.
Perhaps it's worth looking into (and getting a lawyers advice) for a general FF permission slip in which the parent is clear that we have no insurance and are not responsible should the parent decide to sign the slip and allow their child to attend.
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Jada
Title: Chapter Rep Charlotte, NC
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8/22/07 1:40pm
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I do agree that we should get a lawyer's POV on it.
My limited knowledge from when I used to teach a course on Aquatic Personal Training is that a Hold Harmless/No Indemnity/Waiver form is a legally binding document. I'll try to do some more research later.
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halibut
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I know it varies from country to country (or state to state if yer a Yank ), but at the very least we should have a signed acknowledgement from the parents which states they know they're with us, and more importantly, we have no insurance or indemnity
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Jedi_Dajuan
Title: •Admiral of FanForce •RPG & Minis Forum
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Chapters are allowed to require parental permission for minors, but they don't have to do so.
Personally I think if a person just wants to show up at a meeting and can get him/herself there (ie in the 16-18 range) then they shouldn't need parental permission. Now if they are going to get into someone's car or go to a private residence and the parent/guardian is not present, that's another matter.
Since we're world wide, there is simply no way to create one "permission form" that would be legal in all 50 States let alone all countries. I'd be ok with adding something in there about it being ok for chapters to require the minor get parental permission to attend FF events, but I don't think we should make it mandatory for all chapters.
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Jada
Title: Chapter Rep Charlotte, NC
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Date Posted:
8/22/07 1:48pm
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As a guideline, this is what the CFF and several other chapters have in their charter:
VIII. Underage Members
Anyone over the age of 13 may become a member, post on the forums, and attend official meetings and events. Children under 13 are not allowed to post online because of the Federal Trade Commission’s Child Online Protection Act of 1998.
However, anyone under 18 years of age will be required to fill out a Parent Consent Form to participate in any CFF meeting and event. The form the parents will be asked to fill out is as follows:
Parental Consent Form
Star Wars has always been a story for all ages. The Charlotte Fan Force is comprised of members that reflect all ages. However, it is important for parents to be aware of several things if they choose to let their minor child join the club.
1. No one will be supervising minors. While it is never the club's intention to allow a minor to get into trouble, the responsibility of the child's actions lay with the child and his/her parents or guardians.
2. The club encourages parents to attend meetings and events to get to know the members of the group and what types of activities the club engages in.
3. While no alcohol will ever be served or consumed at any official meeting by a club member, be aware that an official meeting or event may take place in a venue such as a restaurant where alcohol is being served to others.
4. The group attempts to maintain all discussions at the PG level. However, some inappropriate language might inadvertently be used.
5. Members of the club will not be responsible for transporting a child to meetings and/or social events. If a parent chooses not to attend a meeting or event with his/her child, it is the parent's responsibility to ensure that the child has a safe mode of transportation to and from the meeting or event.
6. A parental waiver must be signed by a parent or guardian and the child before that child is allowed membership in the club.
7. The parents must provide the club with a current address, home phone number, work phone number, and cell phone number. The parents must also provide the phone number of a family friend or relative not residing in the same household.
Parental Consent, Release and Waiver of Liability
Being the Parent (or Guardian) of ________________________________________ (Name of minor child), I acknowledge that I have read the Underage Member Policy and the Charlotte Fan Force By-Laws, and hereby agree to his/her participation in the Charlotte Fan Force Club Events and declare as follows:
1. I understand and agree that the minor participates in the Charlotte Fan Force Events at his/her risk and without liability on the part of the Charlotte Fan Force.
2. I understand that I may participate in Charlotte Fan Force Events and monitor e-mails sent on the e-mail list at any time.
3. I understand that it is my responsibility to arrange safe transportation to and from Charlotte Fan Force Events for the minor.
4. I am satisfied that if I am not present, the minor is sufficiently responsible and experienced to assume full and entire responsibility for his/her own safety during Charlotte Fan Force Events, and to remove himself/herself from any situations in which he/she feels uncomfortable.
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Signature of Parent or Guardian
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Emergency Contact Phone-Number
Minor’s Acknowledgement of Underage Member Policy
I __________________________________ (Name of Minor) have read, or have had read to me, the Underage Member Policy of the Charlotte Fan Force, and the waiver that has been signed by my parent or guardian. I understand that:
1. I will not be supervised during Charlotte Fan Force Events and that my parent/guardian will be responsible for anything that happens to me during these events.
2. There are adult members of this group and that it is my responsibility to speak up if I feel uncomfortable about anything occurring at the Charlotte Fan Force Events and to contact my parent/guardian to come get me.
3. The Charlotte Fan Force has invited my parent/guardian to participate in Club Events and to read the e-mails that are sent out on the Charlotte Fan Force e-mail list.
4. I am to have safe transportation pre-arranged to get to and from Charlotte Fan Force Events.
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Signature of Minor
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Signature of Parent/Guardian as Witness
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I just found this on a college website:
Indemnification and Hold Harmless:
I also agree to indemnify and hold {insert organization name} harmless from any and all claims, actions, suits, procedures, costs, expenses, damages and liabilities including attorney's fees brought as a result in my involvement in {activity with organization} and to reimburse them for any such expenses incurred.
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halibut
Title: FF Admin & UK RSA Forum Feud Winner
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I'll read that in a sec, Jada, just wanna reply to Dajuan's post first
"I don't think we should make it mandatory for all chapters."
The problem here is, that FanForce (TM) IS a global group, and any incident involving one chapter COULD affect the entire organisation. I think it's very prudent to get some form of legal advice on this. We need to know whether the actions (or inactions) of one chapter could (in the worse case scenario) lead to the abolishment of the entire FanForce. In this day and age of over-protection, it's not an unrealistic turn of events.
You mentioned the 16-18 year old age bracket, but we also need to consider the 13-15 year olds as well, seeing as they can also be members of the chapter. And it's the 13-15 year olds that present the biggest potential problem
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Jada
Title: Chapter Rep Charlotte, NC
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I added to it halibut
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halibut
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Pretty good. I would add a part specifically stating that the group has no liability insurance.
And for the UK, we'd definitely take out the part saying that no members will consume alcohol at ANY meet. We have a lot of official meets which are BBQs at some members house during which people will undoubtedly drink. A meet doesn't HAVE to be at a convention or the like. A social meet-up is perfectly fine, and I, as RSA for the UK, would not sanction such a rule stating that any of our members can not consume alcohol at any and all meets.
I would tone down that part to say that "some meets may be held where alcohol is served but parents will be told beforehand when and where that is the case"
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