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Amidala081499
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6/5/07 3:40pm
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My husbands extended family is from LA and we stayed with them for 4 days after the Con. They said the weather was unseason-like...that it is usually hotter. They actually blammed us...saying that we brought our Ohioian weather with us, meanwhile back at home it was humid and sweltering...lol.
I remember traveling to LA 5 years back and it was much hotter than too, so hot we went out later each day to avoid the heat. The ocean breeze helps too, but not at that time.
I must say I am still head over heels for Indy, but mainly because I have kids and the skywalks came in handy last time, as well as the shortness of distance to the Con. Being closer to us has no bearing...but I do have to say Celebration Europe enticed us because the cost of airfare was only $50 more and we could have stayed with my extended family there, but we kinda figured we would prolly not run into great peeps like yourselves there, so we stuck to the USA.
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banshee
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I'll be the first one to admit that the area AROUND the LACC sucks. And it must have been frustrating for some that had to take a shuttle or, (shudder) the bus.
But I think everyone has to agree that the LACC ITSELF is hands down better than Indy.
Now after Indy finishes thier construction? Who knows. We'll have to wait and see.
But LA broke ground on Monday on the new hotel/condo/mall across the street from the LACC. I'm unsure of how many hotels are going up but the radio mentioned 1 that will have over 1000 rooms by itself. (52 stories high) One of the city council idiots then went on and on about how this complex is also going to bring in more businesses in the surrounding area. More stores, restuarants, bars, etc.
But we'll have to see how it all pans out. It sounds like both Indy and LA are going to finish construction in 2010. Not good if C5 is in 2009.
I like LA better than Indy. For all of you that said it's expensive, is New York or Orlando going to be any cheaper? I doubt it. How about Vegas? That place hasn't been cheap in 15 years.
Is Indy REALLY cheaper? I don't think so. My wife and I ate dinner at St. Elmos in Indy...$130. We had dinner at The Palm in LA...$135. Were the consessions in Indy cheaper? I don't know, I didn't buy any because 1) They were sold out, or 2) I didn't want to wait in the LONG LINES. The longest food line I waited in LA was 5 minutes when I had to wait for a pizza to come out of the oven.
Another negative for Indy is that if you're coming from the west coast you can't get a straight flight. We had to layover in Dallas both ways. My brother-in-law had to layover in Chicago. At least in LA, (or New York and I'm assuming Orlando) you can get a straight flight from pretty much anywhere in the country.
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Weather MUST be considered for the next con! Especially for those who wear costumes!/quote]
This is actually a HUGE factor. Denver was miserable. Indy wasn't much better. Although I will take freezing cold over hot, humid weather any day. And this is why I don't think the east coast, the south or the mid-west is a good choice. The humidity would ruin it for alot of people. And the smell? No thanks. The only way would be if the celebration was in March or April.
In the end, I will go to C5 no matter where it is. But of the cities mentioned I really think LA is the best because of the size of the LACC, the weather and that it's easy to get to. Also there were many people that made C4 part of thier vacation, hitting the amusement parks and tourist sites. Indy does not offer this.
If I'm wrong about anything then someone please correct me.
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PatttyB0123
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Oh dear with the thread. 
I will go to the next Celebration any where except Denver. We were in the middle of bad storm there.
So the next one will be in two years? 2009? 
Some good points about the last convention were. The lines were not bad. The shop line was fast.
We could find some portable toilets across the street. I don't remember see any in Indy.
The bad part in Los Angeles were the restaurants.
I have nothing else to say. 
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Doctor_Evil
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I don't know if it will ever be honestly considered, but if Indianapolis was then Minneapolis should be too. I know two seperate people who went to trade shows there in the last few years and they could not stop raving about the experience. The CC is bigger than Indy and nearly as big as the LACC minus the Underground hall, which was not used anyway. Expanded last 5 years ago. There are dozens of restaraunts and hotels within easy walking. Plenty of other diversions closeby. Lite Rail goes to the Mall of America. The ENTIRE downtown is connected to a skywalk system. While I'm sure you still wouldn't want to hold an event in the dead of winter, If it rained in the Spring or was unseasonably cold it is no problem there.
This map is impressive: http://maps.mapnetwork.com/minneapolis/cvb/index.asp
Check it out with Skyways, Hotels and restaurants checked, and you'll see what I mean.
What are others suggestions?
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lovelucas
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I think it's already a lock for LA for both C5 and C6 as they are "penciled in" the LCCC schedule.
But there was a big something missing for me that was in Indy (besides the much cheaper everything) and that was the feeling of a crowd. Yes, it's great to have a lot of room but I never felt that there was ever a huge amount of people anywhere. I highly doubt the attendance was even close to 30K - more likely 20k. I spoke to a couple of the artists who were going to C4 before I left for LA (at a local Comic Con) and they both said prepaid tickets were significantly lower than expected. Of course they both thought George would show up, too.
and if the local celebrities aren't going to come with it's in their backyard why have it here? Yes the weather was perfect but I'm a former LA native and we sort of lucked out.
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Ulfor-Bombaasa
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"Penciled in" certainly would not indicate a lock for LA - it simply means they have an option to return to LA if they choose to. Lucasfilm certainly has to be disappointed with the turnout for C4 due to all the exclusive merchandise - including the ultra-exclusive action figures - now being sold on their website. There is no question they were planning for a much bigger turnout. Regardless, I think it is wide open as to where C5 will be held which is why I started this thread and appreciate the open and honest discussion we are having here.
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miarama
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I hope that CV will not be held during a major holiday weekend. I was lucky to be granted the week of Memorial Day off. I work for a small company where there are 3 people above me. So if any of those people chose to take that same week off, I would've been asked to choose another week. I'm glad it worked out this year 
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Doctor_Evil
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miarama posted:
I hope that CV will not be held during a major holiday weekend. I was lucky to be granted the week of Memorial Day off. I work for a small company where there are 3 people above me. So if any of those people chose to take that same week off, I would've been asked to choose another week. I'm glad it worked out this year
This is a good point too. I'd think that April or September might be good months for a con in LA. Off peak travel months and generally as cool weatherwise as we were lucky enough the experience during CIV.
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JediJustin
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Ulfor-Bombaasa posted:
Lucasfilm certainly has to be disappointed with the turnout for C4 due to all the exclusive merchandise - including the ultra-exclusive action figures - now being sold on their website. There is no question they were planning for a much bigger turnout.
What makes you say that? Early reports (such as the latest Bantha Tracks article online) state the attendance at CIV was greater than at C3, even without a movie to promote. And the C3 Vader figures (along with other merchandise from the C3 store) were sold on SWShop.com after the con as well, which is no different than what they are doing now with leftover CIV merchandise.
I highly doubt Lucasfilm was disappointed with the attendance of CIV or with how many exclusives they sold onsite.
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ValedaKor
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Doctor_Evil posted:
This is a good point too. I'd think that April or September might be good months for a con in LA. Off peak travel months and generally as cool weatherwise as we were lucky enough the experience during CIV.
-Doc
Not good months weather-wise, actually. April can be rainy here (in a regular year, not the drought year we're having now) and September is always very hot. You would not like to be in a Stormtrooper outfit or Jedi robes out here in September; trust me. Plus religious calendars have to be considered and certain dates avoided. May only has the one American holiday .
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ValedaKor posted:
Doctor_Evil posted:
This is a good point too. I'd think that April or September might be good months for a con in LA. Off peak travel months and generally as cool weatherwise as we were lucky enough the experience during CIV.
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Not good months weather-wise, actually. April can be rainy here (in a regular year, not the drought year we're having now) and September is always very hot. You would not like to be in a Stormtrooper outfit or Jedi robes out here in September; trust me. Plus religious calendars have to be considered and certain dates avoided. May only has the one American holiday .
Okay, and I'm asking this in all seriousness, is there EVER good weather in LA according to locals? Becuase it seems like the people that live there would have us believe there is about a 2 week window every other year that is a little bit decent.
I've checked the historical weather data and you all have it GOOD! (Aside from the smog) I think you guys tend to think if it is not Sunny and 75 degrees every day then the weather is horrendous. April averages less than an inch of rain. (.83 to be exact) Less than an inch is not "Rainy" by the rest of the countries standards by a long shot. That is like one or two days of rain.
You are right though about September being hot. October or November might be better choices. Well hot is relative too. The 84 degrees Sept. Average is hotter than the May average of 74, but the average humidity is lower than the rest of the summer. It is hardly the rainforrest locals would have us believe.
You guys have great better weather most of the year compared to 90% of the country, but I don't think you even realize it.
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There is good weather, and April is one of the months you can usually count on. But if there is an El Nino, it can bring a rainy month. It's impossible to predict these things so far out. That's why May is a safe bet, even with the "June gloom" that can happen. Me, I like the cloudy days.
Don't like what people like to call "beach weather" out here because that means it's hot, which brings the smog closing in and it's not pretty. Los Angeles is in a basin, and the stuff just homes in. That's why those of us who live here think September weather is bad. The air is very much cleaner than it was when I was growing up, but it can be a problem when the thermometer gets close to 90 degrees.
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JediJustin posted:
Ulfor-Bombaasa posted:
Lucasfilm certainly has to be disappointed with the turnout for C4 due to all the exclusive merchandise - including the ultra-exclusive action figures - now being sold on their website. There is no question they were planning for a much bigger turnout.
What makes you say that? Early reports (such as the latest Bantha Tracks article online) state the attendance at CIV was greater than at C3, even without a movie to promote. And the C3 Vader figures (along with other merchandise from the C3 store) were sold on SWShop.com after the con as well, which is no different than what they are doing now with leftover CIV merchandise.
I highly doubt Lucasfilm was disappointed with the attendance of CIV or with how many exclusives they sold onsite.
I felt that there was far less people at CIV than at CIII. Maybe it was that the convention center was bigger this year? I don't know. I do know that not nearly as many people were dressed up at CIV than at CIII.
As far as location...it should change for each Celebration. I think East coast one year, West coast another and right in the middle after that.
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Doctor_Evil
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pwinklespi posted:
I felt that there was far less people at CIV than at CIII. Maybe it was that the convention center was bigger this year? I don't know. I do know that not nearly as many people were dressed up at CIV than at CIII.
As far as location...it should change for each Celebration. I think East coast one year, West coast another and right in the middle after that.
Saturday seemed just as crowded as the Saturday at C3 to me. I think everyones's perception is different. I know what I believe I saw and others saw something different. Okay. It looked to me like there were just as many Costumers. Some say they think less. Part of the perception could be the fact that there where 2 levels in all three halls and an outdoor walkway being used all of the time. In Indy, there was one big "L" shaped hallway connecting all the main exhibit halls and just a couple of smaller hallways branching off from that to the meeting rooms and the big ballroom. It was very easy to see the same costumers 10 or 12 times over the course of the Con. While at CIV you could walk three different ways between halls.
To me it seemed like at it's Saturday peak, CIV may have had a greater attendance. It is just so much more spread out that it was hard to tell. They did a much better job of staggering when the most popular panels would let out so that the halls had a better chance of not being flooded all the time. If the planners do their jobs properly you are supposed to not realize there as many people there as there actually are.
But it does not matter, I'll believe what I want and others will believe what they think they saw. To each his own. Regardless, I hope there was enough attendence to justify CV and I'd love for it to be in the East if possible. But I'll go wherever they have it.
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Plagious
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At first I though there wasn't that many people dressed up but when I seen all the pictures I thought I went to another convention than everyone else. It has to be because of how bog the convention center is.
I even came with a bunch of friends and I never seen them at the convention center the entire time. Only at the hotel.
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