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Dark Lady Mara
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Date Posted:
6/10/07 2:55pm
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RE: Celebration V should return to Indianapolis!
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Jedi9181 posted:
pwinklespi posted:
As far as location...it should change for each Celebration. I think East coast one year, West coast another and right in the middle after that.
I would have to agree. CIII in Indy (Middle), CIV in LA (West), and CV should be here on the East Coast. I suggest the recently constructed Connecticut Convention Center in Hartford, CT. Call me selfish to suggest my homestate but I've been in it twice and it seems to be just right, not too small or too big, for the average number of "guests" between CIII and CIV. My only other suggestion would be MSG in New York or the Convention center in Baltimor, Maryland.
Seriously, no conventions in NYC. No one will be able to afford to come unless they want to stay in hotels across the river in Jersey. LA is dirt-cheap compared to midtown Manhattan. I was surprised by how much lower the price of the average consumer goods were when in LA. Hotels around MSG or the Javits Center are also 150% to 200% the cost of comparably-rated LA hotels. Check on the hotel websites if you don't believe me.
On the flip side, I suppose I might be willing to put C5 guests up with me for the low, low price of $100 per night. 
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Grand_Admiral_Grant
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6/10/07 3:36pm
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100 bucks for a night with you? What do you mean NY is expensive... 
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Dark Lady Mara
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6/10/07 4:28pm
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Ouch. That really hurt me, man. 
Though if I pack 'em in like sardines......
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Grand_Admiral_Grant
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6/10/07 4:29pm
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Where can I book the entire room for myself? 
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resnictem
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6/10/07 6:19pm
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I could smell the taco stand in alot of places. They had good tacos, but sometimes the smell....
It could have been the chopped sandwich too...
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Iwakura
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6/11/07 7:58pm
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why have so many people around here said that the middle of the country is so desolate? has no one heard of chicago (3rd largest city in the nation, i believe), detroit, milwaukee, cleveland, cincinatti, minneapolis/st. paul, and let's not forget beautiful indianapolis? and that's just my little region of the mid-west. yeah, i know they're not as grandiose as l.a. or nyc, but people do live here. i'm not talking about all of these as possible venues for a future celebration, just saying that this area of the country isn't barren.
for instance, someone said earlier in the thread (when i was reading the other day) that there was something like 7 million people in l.a.(wiki says "greater l.a. area" is about 18 million) and that there wasn't that many within four hours of indy. detroit area is about 5 million and chicago-land area is about 9.5 million. so there's two cities right there, both of which are about 4 hours from indy that equal about 15 million. now i know if you break it all down there's probably more people living w/i decent driving distance from l.a., but i'm just saying: it's a silly argument to say that there's no one and nothing in the mid-west.
i am, of course, biased since i'm obviously from the mid-west, but c4 being in l.a. is exactly why i didn't attend (i went to 2 and 3) this time around. a) way too expensive for me to travel there (yes i know, no matter where it is someone's gonna have to pay a lot to travel there, but when you're planning your trip you're thinking about your cost, not everyone else's) b) no offense meant to anyone in cali, but i just really have no desire to go there c) i was kind of offended @ the fact that the guest list was no more spectacular to me than what was @ c2 and c3, especially in light of the fact that it was in l.a. i had already purchased badges and a hotel room and that guest list was a big part of why i canceled it all.
i know the guests aren't as an important a factor to everyone who attends celebrations, but it is to me seeing as how i'm paying to get into the place.
oh and d) i'm also a little bit afraid of flying.
@ least there was some good news, sounds like gencon finally figured out the line situation. overall though, the reviews sound like a mixed bag, much like the celebrations that took place in indy. so i guess there's no such thing as a perfect celebration.
i would love for it to return to indy, but i'm not going to get my hopes up. especially since @ the end of c3, my best friend and i started planning out what hotel to stay @, where to eat, and what to bring to an anticipated c4 in indy.
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6/11/07 8:38pm
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Dark Lady Mara posted:
Jedi9181 posted:
As far as location...it should change for each Celebration. I think East coast one year, West coast another and right in the middle after that.
Seriously, no conventions in NYC. No one will be able to afford to come unless they want to stay in hotels across the river in Jersey. LA is dirt-cheap compared to midtown Manhattan. I was surprised by how much lower the price of the average consumer goods were when in LA. Hotels around MSG or the Javits Center are also 150% to 200% the cost of comparably-rated LA hotels. Check on the hotel websites if you don't believe me.
On the flip side, I suppose I might be willing to put C5 guests up with me for the low, low price of $100 per night.
The hotels in downtown Indianapolis are very reasonable and they're connected to the convention center by skywalks and they're surrounded by lots of good restaurant choices.
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Lowbacca_1977
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6/12/07 3:17am
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Iwakura posted:
i am, of course, biased since i'm obviously from the mid-west, but c4 being in l.a. is exactly why i didn't attend (i went to 2 and 3) this time around. a) way too expensive for me to travel there (yes i know, no matter where it is someone's gonna have to pay a lot to travel there, but when you're planning your trip you're thinking about your cost, not everyone else's) b) no offense meant to anyone in cali, but i just really have no desire to go there c) i was kind of offended @ the fact that the guest list was no more spectacular to me than what was @ c2 and c3, especially in light of the fact that it was in l.a. i had already purchased badges and a hotel room and that guest list was a big part of why i canceled it all.
i know the guests aren't as an important a factor to everyone who attends celebrations, but it is to me seeing as how i'm paying to get into the place.
oh and d) i'm also a little bit afraid of flying.
Iwakura, realise though that that reasoning always effects someone. I didn't go to C3, for example, because it was in indianapolis and thats an expensive travel for me. All locations will be too far for some people, so bringing that up on a personal level doesn't alter anything since someone will be able to say that for any location.
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Lowbacca_1977 posted:
Iwakura, realise though that that reasoning always effects someone. I didn't go to C3, for example, because it was in indianapolis and thats an expensive travel for me. All locations will be too far for some people, so bringing that up on a personal level doesn't alter anything since someone will be able to say that for any location.
Also, the coasts - east or west - make sense in the grander view of being "in the middle", since a fair number of attendees are NOT from the US. That always seems to be forgotten in these debates.
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Iwakura
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6/12/07 12:22pm
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Lowbacca_1977 posted:
Iwakura, realise though that that reasoning always effects someone. I didn't go to C3, for example, because it was in indianapolis and thats an expensive travel for me. All locations will be too far for some people, so bringing that up on a personal level doesn't alter anything since someone will be able to say that for any location.
well yeah, i know. that's why i said: "(yes i know, no matter where it is someone's gonna have to pay a lot to travel there, but when you're planning your trip you're thinking about your cost, not everyone else's)," but since this thread is called "c5 should return to indy" that's why i posted it here. 'cause i didn't wanna go into a thread where everyone's having a good time reminiscing and derail it by talking about my personal preference for celebrations to be in indy (or the mid-west or east or wherever isn't the west coast).
basically, all i was trying to say was...yes i would love for it to return to indy and part of the reason why i didn't go was the fact that it wasn't in indy. i just recall that after II and III (especially after II) a lot of people complaining about the fact that it was "in the middle of nowhere," and that it would make so much more "sense" somehow to have it in a more populous and well-known city, and similar sentiments to that being expressed. it obviously didn't really resolve location complaints (everyone will always have a location complaint, i know) to move it to some huge metropolitan area. all that did was present con-goers w/ new problems: hotels were farther away, no close restaurants (that were open late), to engage in sight-seeing or whatever you had to have transportation (public, private, or rented) to do any of it, and no close convenience places (rite-aid, gas stations, that type of thing).
i know that there's no location everyone is going to be happy w/. since there are obviously people in this thread (based on the title and many posts i've read) that wish for future celebrations to return to indy (or @ least change locations from where it was just held), i posted my thoughts here.
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Well, they finally had it it in a "more populated place" and C III still had more people attending.
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I highly doubt attendence will ever exceed C3 again, even if C5 was brought back to Indy. Only by generating interest with a new Star Wars movie will a SW Celebration stand a chance of breaking attendence records.
EDIT: Refer to post below, I guess records were broken afterall. *whistles innocently*
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Wilderness_Comedian posted:
Well, they finally had it it in a "more populated place" and C III still had more people attending.
Not according to this excerpt from Bantha Tracks Online (dated June 5th):
From the fan perspective, and maybe from most every perspective, Star Wars Celebration IV was a party of epic proportions, with a variety of programs, exhibits, guests, and fun that entertained fans from all around the world in the Los Angeles Convention Center May 23-28. Early indications are that the event broke the attendance records of the hugely popular Celebration III in 2005, and many fans who have reported in to Bantha Tracks suggest that it was the best Celebration for them yet.
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It's Philly's turn.
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Doctor_Evil
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Date Posted:
6/12/07 7:46pm
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Wilderness_Comedian posted:
Well, they finally had it it in a "more populated place" and C III still had more people attending.
Where do you get this from? From what YOU SAW? Where you in both levels hallways, the outdoor concourse, the 2 huge lobbies, the big terrace foodcourt, the fan fair hall, the exhibit hall the Concourse stage, Petree Stage, Digital Theater and the half dozen other rooms that had panels all going simulatiously throughout the day?
At Indy you COULD almost see everyone at once and get a feel for the attendance, cause you could see probably 70% or 80% of the one big main hallway all of the time. At LA, you could not see even 20% of the hallway space at any one time.
Look, you folks who claim this lower peak attendance of Saturday, could be right, but if you are basing your opinion on the fact that the halls were not as congested as they were in Indy... well duh! There is 10 times more hallway space! At least 8 times the lobby space and there were THOUSANDS more available seats for panels! So more butts were in seats throughout the day as well. All of this has to be taken into account. The fact is that with the increased size of the con center, it could very well FEEL like there was less attendance even if it was more.
All I know was everywhere I went on Saturday, everything was packed. Hallways, lobbies, panels. About the only places not super crowded were the Store and the Fan Fair Hall. There was even a wait just to get into the R2 Builders room and at one point there were no seats left in the Fan club lounge.
Maybe I'm deluded, but taking the roughly twice as big con center into account and the vastly increased seating capacity at nearly all panel venues I think peak capacity was at least as much as Indy.
I won't post about this anymore because even if Gen-Con or LFL release attenance figures that show any sort of increase in peak attenance figures, the nay-sayers will claim they are cooking the books. So you can't win.
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