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Doctor_Evil
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6/17/07 6:04pm
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carmenite posted:
lovelucas posted:
Just based on attending both C3 and C4 everyday, I don't see how C4 could have topped C3's attendance. Yes, I know larger facility - doesn't matter. There just weren't as many people anywhere.
But if these numbers increase the possibility of future Celebrations, cool. Just be honest about it. and bring back George, Rick, Nick, etc to ensure they do get an attendance broken attendance record ...really.
I don't understand this line of thought at all. You really think they LIED about it? Seriously? Just for poops and giggles?
And, yes, a larger facility DOES matter. When the rooms hold significantly more people, and there are more of them, and when we're spread out over multiple floors, and when the exhibition hall is bigger, and when the fan hall is bigger, then the same number of people are going to look like less people.
Think about it logically - if you have room that seats 1000 people and there are 1000 people in it, and if you have a room that seats 2000 people, and there are 1000 people in it, the first room is going to look like it has more people.
They're not going to lie about it for smurf's sake.
Carmenite, you are wasting good logic here. These conspiracy minded people can not be reasoned with. Just trying to explain something as simple as what you are trying to do is beyond their comprehension. They did not SEE as many people in their immediate vacinity, so therefore nothing else matters. The world revolves around them. Then cannot grasp the abstract concept of relative space. They didn't see it, so it did not happen.
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ValedaKor
Title: C-IV RSA
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OK, this is starting to degenerate. No need to start denigrating what others think. Opinions have been stated, and that's fine. There's no need to begin personal attacks.
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SSDExecutor
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AaylaSecurOWNED posted:
C5, 2009 10th: Episode I
CE2, 2010 30th: Episode V
CA, 2011 6th: Episode III
C6, 2012 10th: Episode II
CE3, 2013 30th: Episode VI
CA2, 2014 12th: Episode II
C7, 2015 10th: Episode III
CE4, 2016 36th: Episode V
C8, 2017 40th: Episode IV
CE5, 2019 20th: Episode I
C9, 2020 40th: Episode V
CE6, 2022 20th: Episode II
CA3, 2024 44th: Episode V
C10, 2023 40th: Episode VI
CE7, 2025 20th: Episode III
CA4, 2036 37th: Episode I
C11, 2077 100th: Episode IV
Woo hoo! When do you think passes will go on sale for C11? I need to go ahead and get in line now!  Think of all of the frequent flier miles you could tally up trying to make it to a Celebration every year in 3 different continents!  Time to start saving!
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Moff_D
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6/18/07 6:54am
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Record or no record, a thousand more or a thousand less than C3, blah blah blah, I still have a hard time believing LFL is happy with 35000 people. That can't be what they envisioned when selecting L.A. and its huge convention center. The tons of leftover merchandise in the store would seem to support this line of thought. I know they wanted to coincide with the 30th anniversary of SW (seems a little funny when most everything else at C4 had little to do with the 30th), but in hindsight they probably shouldn't have done it on a holiday weekend.
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JediJustin
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Moff_D posted:
Record or no record, a thousand more or a thousand less than C3, blah blah blah, I still have a hard time believing LFL is happy with 35000 people. That can't be what they envisioned when selecting L.A. and its huge convention center. The tons of leftover merchandise in the store would seem to support this line of thought. I know they wanted to coincide with the 30th anniversary of SW (seems a little funny when most everything else at C4 had little to do with the 30th), but in hindsight they probably shouldn't have done it on a holiday weekend.
I don't see how there is any correlation between the amount of items leftover from the CIV store and the number of fans in attendance. There have been quite a few fans here on this board (and the RS board) who were unhappy with the CIV store merchandise selection when it was released. So you can assume many fans did not plunk down wads of $$$ at the store solely because of the lack of interest in the selection. And you can bet for sure that GenCon made certain there was MORE than enough merchandise in stock to go around this time than there was for C3. Leftover CIV store items has nothing to do with whether or not fans actually attended the con and directed those funds towards other vendor-specific exclusives. It's simply not an applicable attendance barometer.
And having CIV during a holiday weekend can only mean more attendance. The extra day off from work = another day to attend the con.
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Moff_D
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I disagree. They don't give away $1200 worth of stuff to each event staff person and others because they want to be nice. In the end, LFL is about making money. Simply saying that people weren't buying the merchandise isn't a good enough excuse. Its not like they select a bunch of stuff that people won't buy. They are clever marketers and know what will and won't sell. Its LFL. They don't make mistakes like that.
As for the extra day, it didn't make a whole lot of difference in the overall attendance for C4 when compared to C3. People likely had other plans due to the holiday.
Regardless, I'm not making this point out of ill will towards having C4 in Los Angeles. I thought it was mostly fine. From a business perspective however, I would not be surprised if LFL is scratching their collective heads a bit. They had to have been expecting a bigger turnout.
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Amidala081499
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Honestly, Who cares???
I mean attendance was not what I expected but hey at least I got my action figures and did not have to wait in line...lol.
I think the selection was disappointing, plus the pricing was alittle astronomical for some items. I mean a magnet being $5, come on, I could have made those for a $1.
Maybe next time it would be better if the Con was focused around the theme. I agree that for a 30th Anniversary it was not what I expected. Seriously, I am a wife and mother, and if the husband came home with dandelions and a tin foil ring for our 30th Anniversary I think I might have to freeze him in carbonite. That is kinda how I felt about the Con, like they were serving us Prime Rib dinners on trash can lids. I know that, that is way harsh, but I am looking at the Con in a whole.
Hope more people come to C5...
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ValedaKor
Title: C-IV RSA
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6/20/07 6:04am
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Moff_D posted:
Regardless, I'm not making this point out of ill will towards having C4 in Los Angeles. I thought it was mostly fine. From a business perspective however, I would not be surprised if LFL is scratching their collective heads a bit. They had to have been expecting a bigger turnout.
I'd have to disagree. If you check the GenCon site from the get-go, and peruse the exhibitor information, you will see that they were preparing for 35,000.
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DarthGDawg
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6/21/07 11:05am
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I was one of the 35K!!! It was a great experience.
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JediJustin
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DarthGDawg posted:
I was one of the 35K!!! It was a great experience.
And you'd better be at C5 too. 
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Cara_Undercover_Jedi
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Ah, I loved being one of them; and I also loved the open feel of the con (with the exception of the Exhibitor's Hall). I can get people claustrophobic, though this one broke me of that to some extent.
I'm definately going to C5, if I can. 
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ardavenport
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Just a note.....C3 in Indy was as crowded as the Exhibit Hall was at C4 .... in the hallways, especially on Saturday. It was quite crowded at times. I much appreciated the extra space in LA. And the good line management.
But there is no doubt that LA is a bit more expensive than Indy. I and my budget would be just as happy to wait until 2010 for another Celebration (thinking of new hotels that will be spendy but at least close).
I honestly don't think of a SW Celebrations as a convention. They just don't have anywhere near the programming or extras that a DragonCon or a WorldCon has. Really there is about as much programming at Celebration as there is at a CostumeCom (which is only a few hundred people, just a different focus). A Celebration is a SW Trade Show and that's how I think of them when I go to see people and wear costumes.
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JediJustin
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I love the fans who try and compare a SW Celebration to DragonCon, Worldcon, or ComicCon. 
You simply CANNOT compare these things on an even basis.
SW Celebrations foucs strictly on one genre and one genre ONLY - Star Wars.
DragonCon, Worldcon, and ComicCon have a much broader selection of sci-fi (and non sci-fi) genres such as comics, gaming, art, film, and anime from a vast array of content creators. Of course those three events are going to draw larger crowds than a SW Celebration - there are more things to appeal to more fans, plain and simple. They have more material to work with and present to the fans, hence more events and a larger interest in their proceedings.
If a fan isn't into SW, chances are he ain't going to a SW Celebration. But if he is a fan of art or anime or comics, he might decide to attend ComicCon or DragonCon.
Making these comparisons is totally unreasonable. Now if you want to compare a SW Celebration to a more genre-specific convention (such as a Star Trek con), that would make much more sense and place the two cons on an even playing field.
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Doctor_Evil
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ardavenport posted:
I honestly don't think of a SW Celebrations as a convention. They just don't have anywhere near the programming or extras that a DragonCon or a WorldCon has. Really there is about as much programming at Celebration as there is at a CostumeCom (which is only a few hundred people, just a different focus). A Celebration is a SW Trade Show and that's how I think of them when I go to see people and wear costumes.
I need clarification on this statment. Maybe different poeple have different views of what "Programming" is. I just pulled out my CIV program and I quickly counted over 110 seperate and different panels to attend over the 4 "Official" days. (Yes 110, NOT including repeated panels)
That does not count the talent show, 2 costume pagents, a 14 hour movie marathon, 21 meet and greets in the fan club lounge (Some of which probably got canceled), games in the fan club lounge, continuous showings of Fan Films, the Droid builders room, Ewok Village diorama building, Jedi training for the kids, constant kids activities in the family room, Stormtrooper olympics, Droid races, Opening Ceremonies (Bad as they were), autograph signings, Lazer Tag (even though I don't know of anyone who did it, it was offered for a fee), The Vader Helmet Exhibit, the Lucasfilm Archives, the Celebration Party Saturday Nite, about a dozen performances of SW in 30 minutes, 4 Perfomances on the one man SW show and I know I'm leaving stuff out.
Taking everything into account, there must have been nearly 150 things (maybe more) that I would consider "Programming" over the 5 (or 4) days of CIV. Does "Costume Con" Really have that much? I'm honestly asking becasue I've never heard of it and I don't know what they offer. I know SDCC has nearly 3 times as many attendees, but do they have THAT many more activities. Again, I'm not neccesarily doubting your statement, I'm just curious how much programming they actually have. They definitely have a more diverse and vast pool of material to start from when creating programming.
I was thoroughly impressed by the sheer number of panels and programs at CIV, but again, I've got nothing to compare it too except little tiny Sci-Fi cons that could not fill half the exhibit hall at CIV.
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Dark Lady Mara
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Well, I think events like DragonCon and ComicCon have a much broader spectrum of events going on to accomodate the broader fanbase. They're also able to draw in a lot more celebrities, as opposed to Wampa #3 from the ESB cut scene like we got. DragonCon also has live music and gets some pretty cool bands to play - the Cruxshadows are apparently there this year.
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