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JediHobbit
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11/4/03 4:35am
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I have no problem with what I've posted being seen.
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vw_jedi
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11/4/03 5:59am
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I also have no problem with it. But if other members do, then I would have to say I'd abide by what made everyone comfortable.
On a side note, how long is the FG slated to last? Just curious.
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jedi_master_ousley
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11/4/03 9:29am
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I have no problems with anything I've said here. I'm not going to say anything I wouldn't say in public. 
Oh, and Mark, my guess is that i'll last until we can all come up with something. 
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crystalrain
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11/4/03 10:41am
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I'm happy for anything I've said here to be made public - except I don't really want my first name to become common knowledge on the JC, so if that could be edited out, I'd be happier.
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vw_jedi
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Oh, and Mark, my guess is that i'll last until we can all come up with something.
Matt, I'm ooooold. I may expire before a viable solution is reached. Hehe.
But seriously as you said, everything I say here is nothing I would'nt say in a general forum either, which is why I have no problem with it being posted publicly. Although I agree with Beth, I don't mind you guys knowing my whole name, but for public consumption if that part or at least my last name could be edited that would be good.
But if any one else does have a problem, I'm fine with that also. I would'nt want any one to be uncomfortable with the decision.
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Leto II
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11/4/03 3:10pm
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Don't go dyin' on us, there, vw_jedi. Or at least until we decide on something, here.  But I know what exactly you mean. I'm one of the "old-timers" here on the boards, and keeping all of the young'uns in line and on task is always a full-time challenge.
But seriously as you said, everything I say here is nothing I would'nt say in a general forum either, which is why I have no problem with it being posted publicly. Although I agree with Beth, I don't mind you guys knowing my whole name, but for public consumption if that part or at least my last name could be edited that would be good.
Same here...I'm striving to be as open as I usually am in the "primary" public fora, so I pretty much have no real problem at all with any sort of "re-cap" or summary of each thread's content.
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MeBeJedi
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11/4/03 3:21pm
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I think a summary would be better overall, in terms of showing the key points, but reposting the entire thread isn't problematic to me. (besides, who really wants to summarize all that?  )
About the names, though, what about this solution - simply deleting all names and usernames, and letting the information stand on its own?
Just throwing out an idea.
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Lord_Hydronium
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I think I'd rather my last name be edited as well. I personally like the idea of regular updates with summaries of topics and ideas discussed, with the final board being perhaps declassified when all is said and done. However, revealing the exact things we discuss as the discussion progresses might be too much. And I'm also uncertain about what the reaction might be to discussions where specific posters come up. That sort of thing might not be best let out. In particular, something like that transcript of what was said in the AC board mentions several people by name, and I'm imagining something like that, but from this forum, being posted where everybody can read; I don't think it would turn out good.
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Dark Lady Mara
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11/4/03 11:31pm
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That's true. So, we need a version with names and the AC thread edited out at the least. I will try to post something tomorrow. 
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Dark Lady Mara
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11/8/03 11:37pm
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Better late than never, hmmm?
Here's the update. I'm about to post it in Comms as well. Everyone feel free to discuss this in Comms with people who comment, or if you prefer, to bring their suggestions back here.
Focus Group Update: Negotiating peace in the canon wars
Welcome to the first update of the classic trilogy focus group on canon wars! We're posting this summary of what we've discussed so far so we can get feedback from the rest of the membership and keep you current on what changes we're considering.
The group members are:
Moderators
Dark Lady Mara
Errant_Venture
Purists
crystalrain
vw_jedi
DarthTerrious
Obi-Ewan
Scott3eyez
Lord_Hydronium
Completists
Leto II
The2ndQuest
Jedi Merkurian
jedi_master_ousley
JediHobbit
AdamBertocci
Swings both ways
MeBeJedi
We started by discussing the human aspect of the way posters treat one another in movie forums. crystalrain said:
IMO, "completists", should:
-Be respectful
-Be polite
-Not bring up the EU when it is inappropriate to do so (i.e. clear from the thread title/purpose that movie information only is wanted).
-Not shove the EU down peoples throats, but leave people to think what they want to, rather than challenge their feelings at every turn.
-In a situation where there is one EU answer, but room for movie-only specualtion state the EU answer for those who want it, then let movie-only fans speculate, rather than repeat the EU answer over... and over... and over...
-Allow people to speculate using only the movies.
-Avoid derailing threads with "canon wars".
IMO, movie-only fans ("purists") should:
-Be respectful
-Be polite
-Not jump down an EU'ers throat if he/she offeres an EU explaination.
-Not bash the EU. (Bashing anything is pretty much never constructive, IMO)
-Allow people to speculate using EU information.
-Not constantly ask for people to justify why they accept the EU as canon.
-Avoid derailing threads with "canon wars".
vw_jedi added:
one major drawback, not just here but in any public forum and the Internet in general, is people forgetting that behind every post is a living breathing human being. Not just a funny log on name, but a flesh and bones human with real opinions and real feelings.
We concluded that one of the best things any member can do to increase civility in the forums is to lead by example. This can refer to anything from the way members debate EU and canon to how much they think of each other as flesh-and-blood people... from here on forward everyone started referring to everyone else in the group by their first name, and all was fuzzy and happy.
AdamBertocci added his thoughts on people giving EU answers to questions that aren't addressed in the movies:
Saying "no EU answers please" is like saying "no answers from people wearing green hats please". Some people don't speculate; they believe the EU, so that's their answer.
To discount someone's answer because it's EU is baiting in my book.
We compared the canon policy in CT to the canon policy in 3SA and considered how something as basic as the way a canon policy is worded can alter the balance of the forum.
Next we discussed those "dead-end" type of threads like "Did Boba Fett die?" and "Stormtroopers are Clones" which inevitably are reduced to EUers and purists going back and forth saying "Yes!" "No!" "Yes!" "No!" because both sides are too deeply entrenched in their views to make concessions. It was remarked that consolidating these discussions into official threads, as they are now, makes them more manageable, but doesn't make the arguments more likely to resolve themselves. One suggestion made was for authors to lay out certain restrictions at the beginning of the thread that would make it impossible for an argument like that to start. Normally, we don't like members to tell one another what to say, but in this case it may be okay to make an exception. Another possibility would be to start parallel threads for EU and non-EU, but we think this would be too redundant.
One member objected to the fact that our thread is titled "Caaaanon wars... nothing but caaaanon wars...." and suggested the alternate title "Everybody was Canon fighting....(their posts were fast as lightning)".
We commended the EUDF for having been less gang-like in recent times and hope the trend continues, since several purists remarked that the group has hammered EU into them too hard in the past. We don't make purists out to be innocents either, but the fact that the EUDF is organized while purists aren't makes the playing field less than level. Several people suggested starting a purist haven as well, perhaps in a forum like SWC. We discussed the possible location at length. This idea would only work if we could limit the thread to discussion/socialization and not let it become a bashing thread.
JediHobbit offered sound advice for everyone:
... we accept it to be canon, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. I'm sure there are people who post here that hold only the movies canon but still are unhappy with the PT movies. Same scenario, different medium.
To my surprise, nearly every member of the group asked that canon wars be moderated harder. vw_jedi said,
Lord knows I'm an adult and don't necessarily like to be watched, chastised, reprimanded ect ect.... I would love to just believe that everyone can be adult about this, and agree to put aside differences for the sake of sanity. But not everyone out there will be receptive to that...
We decided mods should be more willing to lay down modsmack, and because an analogy from a car message board was put forward, this idea was dubbed the Volkswagon of Death theory.
There was an interlude to discuss the Clone Wars cartoons and my ever-changing icons from the past few days. We tried to figure out how much persuasion it would take to convince a certain grown man to watch cartoons.
We're now debating various policies we could put in place, like a "three strikes and you're out" rule for people who are too intolerant of the other side.
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jedi_master_ousley
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11/9/03 10:44am
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Looks good to me. And it also looks like Teh Drama has started there ....
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Dark Lady Mara
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11/10/03 6:21pm
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I almost wonder if it was a bad idea to post an update. Apparently, this is why we have FGs - because some issues can be discussed civilly by small groups of mature people, but are just too much for the Comms crowd to handle. 
I'm trying so hard to be more open with the general public about policy-making and what goes on behind closed doors, but they make it so difficult sometimes. *sigh*
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Errant_Venture
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11/10/03 6:55pm
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I now know why people dislike Comms so much.
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DarthTerrious
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11/10/03 7:05pm
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well it wasn't really clever posting any updates, besides I never really go to comms.
Its a waste of my time and frankly you just get extremists, people who want mod status and idiots posting.
Sorry that sounds harsh.
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Dark Lady Mara
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11/10/03 7:10pm
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And yet if we don't post them, people accuse us of being elitist and plotting behind closed doors. Have you seen what happens when MS updates are late, or what used to happen with the AC, for that matter?
I've changed my mind, btw. I now think it was a good idea to post the update, since the alternative would have been worse. If worse gets to worse and the thread degenerates to nothing but extremists yelling at one another, we can always ignore them and lock the thread. Their being uncivil in Comms doesn't negate what we've accomplished in this group.
And at least people can't say we didn't try.
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