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Moderation of Socialization
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DarthSapient
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 12:35pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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As you said, this may be an issue you can bring up in that forum where everyone can participate.
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YodaKenobi
Title: TFN EU Staff
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May '03
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 12:41pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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A. Within Resource itself, here are the options:
1) Split into resource and socialization forums
2) Confine socialization to sanctioned threads and keep them out of other threads
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
I think "3" is best.
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
No.
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obi_ew
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6/27/05 12:46pm
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3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
And (B) gets a big thumbs down from me.
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Jesina_Dreis
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 12:46pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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A. Within Resource itself, here are the options:
1) Split into resource and socialization forums
2) Confine socialization to sanctioned threads and keep them out of other threads
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
3
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
No
But I do think that this should be made a poll in Resource to get input from the rest of the fanficcers. We may not be an entirely representative body, and this is more or less hashed out - we just need a yes or no (essentially) now.
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DarthSapient
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 12:51pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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I don't think we should have as an option one that calls for additional forums.
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LadyPadme
Title: Manager Emeritus
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Sep '02
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 1:21pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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My sense, from reading the sentiments here is that people don't really feel the need to have a separate forum for socialization.
And most people seem inclined to give FG1 a chance to hash out rules again on socialization.
However, from what I see in the WHTG thread, there seems to be a lot of discussion about having a separate thread in each forum and considering having this thread be a welcome new users thread vs a socialization thread. My one biggest fear about that is the confusion factor: that misguided kindness may make it more confusing for newbies to understand where they can chatter and how much chatter is acceptable and where to create discussion threads. You can post a million rules or even two or three concise rules, but there will always be those who don't bother to pay attention. And moreover, how long does it take for people to find their way over to resource?
My own fears notwithstanding, what do the rest of you think about having a poll in Resource to discuss this last point?
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YodaKenobi
Title: TFN EU Staff
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 1:29pm
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I don't see much harm in doing a poll and finding out what everyone thinks, but I have the same fears about a social thread on each of the story boards.
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Jesina_Dreis
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6/27/05 1:43pm
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Well, I already suggested the poll  but I'll say again that I don't think having a poll can hurt in any way...
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TKeira_Lea
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 1:52pm
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First off,
A - 3
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B - I give a thumbs down.
LadyPadme posted:
However, from what I see in the WHTG thread, there seems to be a lot of discussion about having a separate thread in each forum and considering having this thread be a welcome new users thread vs a socialization thread. My one biggest fear about that is the confusion factor: that misguided kindness may make it more confusing for newbies to understand where they can chatter and how much chatter is acceptable and where to create discussion threads. You can post a million rules or even two or three concise rules, but there will always be those who don't bother to pay attention. And moreover, how long does it take for people to find their way over to resource?
My own fears notwithstanding, what do the rest of you think about having a poll in Resource to discuss this last point?
I think that opening any type of non-story thread will end up in a nightmare later. The story boards are for stories. Everyone sees the FFRF link at the top of the screen. We (the writers and readers) need to do a better job educating our new pals, but that can be accomplished through some friendly exchanges in the story threads. For instance, what's wrong with telling users there is a poll in FFRF everyone may be interested in or reminding people that nominations are closing?
People already complain that their stories get dumped off the first page, just wait until a newbie posts a million questions upping the one non-story thread. 
I don't think we need a poll personally, but then again that may be colored by the simple feeling that I think a non-story thread in the story boards is a bad idea.
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Myri_Antilles
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 2:12pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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A. Within Resource itself, here are the options:
1) Split into resource and socialization forums
2) Confine socialization to sanctioned threads and keep them out of other threads
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
3
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
I agree with those who think it would just confuse newbies. Perhaps, as a compromise, we could have the socialization threads for each era be posted in WR?
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CodeName_Targeter
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Nov '03
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 2:25pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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A. Within Resource itself, here are the options:
1) Split into resource and socialization forums
2) Confine socialization to sanctioned threads and keep them out of other threads
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
I think option 3 is the best and it's what I've thought the rule should be for awhile.
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
No, defintely no. The stories should stay amongst stories. I don't think socialization has a place there.
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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Jun '02
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 2:49pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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I have a rotten stinking headache so my reading comprehension is at Dick and Jane level.
BUT, I'm passing on a PM comment and then replying to the short and sweet above me.
If we DO end up having a Senate or any other body that routinely makes decisions, I do not think that an elected representative group is in the best interest of FanFic. We're intelligent enough to speak for ourselves. Yes, in the case of FG, when things are already heated enough that operated in a small-scale environment is needed, the VIP-status-only rule is a good one. For the long run, I think such a set up would only create feelings of resentment.
We're not like the other forums. We're a small, (usually) quiet bunch of people. We hardly ever argue, and rabble-rousers are not the standard among us. Those users that have interests in issues a Senate would discuss would follow the thread and post their thoughts. They would work hard to get things resolved as quickly and efficiently as possible. Those who have no interest would just avoid the thread, I would think. Why would we need elected representatives?
And the users as a whole thank the FG2 members, who like Breezy, have made an effort to convey our wishes, even word-for-word. happy
CodeName_Targeter posted:
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
I think option 3 is the best and it's what I've thought the rule should be for awhile.
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
No, defintely no. The stories should stay amongst stories. I don't think socialization has a place there.
Yeah, What Targeter said...
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red_rose_knight
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 3:57pm
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3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
Number three.
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
No.
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ophelia
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Jun '02
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 4:23pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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A. Within Resource itself, here are the options:
1) Split into resource and socialization forums
2) Confine socialization to sanctioned threads and keep them out of other threads
3) Allow some relaxation of socialization from current rules, but keep guidelines in place in to keep chatter from getting out of hand.
3
B. Outside resource, would people want to have a socialization thread within each forum?
I think this set-up would have its uses, but it wouldn't be so useful that it would be worth bugging most of fanfic over it. If people don't want this, then that's fine. Getting people back to a place where they feel comfortable here needs to be our main priority. Discussions about changing things around can wait.
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Mistress_Renata
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Date Posted:
6/27/05 5:21pm
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RE: Moderation of Socialization
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I actually kind of like A(2) myself, which is how it was structured before I came on as a mod, and left no questions. I'm not keen on (B), but I could live with it, if it was enacted.
But why not put it to a poll? The polling function is a useful tool, and this issue is important enough that getting a broader idea in terms of feedback might be good. It's not a vote, just an opinion poll, after all, but general comments could be good.
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