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TKeira_Lea
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6/27/05 10:19am
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RE: Fan Fiction's Future
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You know what the problem is - Everyone would want to be Chancellor.  I mean aren't our story threads just our own little kingdoms?
Honestly, it would be a messy proposition. And LP had a great point, is it a Senate or a House of Representatives? Would the huge threads be less represented? And would that indeed make more problems when users feel like their voices aren't being heard or shouted over by minority groups? At this point everyone wants to be a little drama free for a while. I'd say table the idea for the near future. We can always come back to it.
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red_rose_knight
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6/27/05 11:22am
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As long as we have a good working relationship with our moderating staff, why do we need intermediaries and Byzantine rules? We don't have that many big issues crop up and the boards have never totally melted down simply by open discussion. I guess I don't understand why anyone would want to cram a bunch of creatives into a structure, when free flowing ideas and discussion have served the community well as long as we had good mod/user relations.
I guess I don't see the system as having been broken. Where there some problems, yes, but I don't think any of it demands a complete overhaul when a few small changes and improvements is all that is needed.
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DarthSapient
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6/27/05 12:36pm
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Let's just say you're not going to adopt this in Fan Fic and we can move away from that topic. 
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TKeira_Lea
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6/27/05 1:43pm
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DarthSapient posted:
Let's just say you're not going to adopt this in Fan Fic and we can move away from that topic.
Does someone have to second it and then a call for a vote?
Okay so it was a bad joke, poking fun of what senators do 
How about just...
Yeah what Sape says
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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6/27/05 2:53pm
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DarthSapient posted:
Let's just say you're not going to adopt this in Fan Fic and we can move away from that topic.
Horray! 
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Mistress_Renata
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6/27/05 5:11pm
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*racing back in the door*
Well, the boards are still here! And quite a few changes.
If someone needs to second Sape, I'll do it.  I agree with RRK.
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Healer_Leona
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Motion carried???
Or am I way off?
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LadyPadme
Title: Manager Emeritus
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6/28/05 6:45am
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Just to sort of move things along, here is the consensus that I'm gleaming from this discussion:
1) Most people would like moderators to be active, visible members of the community, but would like mods in general to be more hands off than hands on.
2) So far, the last six or seven people to respond have felt that a Senate was unnecessary as a step for fostering communication within fan fiction.
- For those who haven't chimed in, please let us know what you think or if there are any disagreements or changes you would propose. I'd like to wrap up this issue if we can
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Jesina_Dreis
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6/28/05 6:50am
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1) Most people would like moderators to be active, visible members of the community, but would like mods in general to be more hands off than hands on.
Yes.
2) So far, the last six or seven people to respond have felt that a Senate was unnecessary as a step for fostering communication within fan fiction.
I agree that a Senate in that structure is unnecessary, but I still think that maybe a single thread to discuss policy changes or issues that come up or some such might be a good idea. It doesn't have to be created now, but I think that if a user contacts a mod with a suggestion or something, it should be presented to the community for discussion, or if a mods thinks there's a need for a policy change or something, it should be presented to fanficcers in general.
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DarthSapient
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LadyPadme, I believe that captures the discussion in those two items.
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Mistress_Renata
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6/28/05 4:19pm
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Yes, very well put, LadyP. What I'd really like, now, is how to settle the question of:How is a mod "active and visible" as well as "hands off?"
I know I struggled with this a lot when I was modding. I was doing all the same things I did as a user (talking on discussion threads, reading stories and trying to write and post stories when I had time -- and given the time I spent modding, there was never much time), and I preferred to be more "hands off" whenever possible. However, I then got complaints that some people felt I wasn't active enough, and that the mods needed to give users more direction on what EXACTLY was allowed on the boards, even though the FAQs already included clear examples. When I tried to do my job, by trying to clarify rules and settle disputes, I was "waving the mod stick." Couldn't win either way.
So for the sake of future mods, I'd like a clear definition of "active and visible" vs. "waving the mod stick."
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DarthBreezy
Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR
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Date Posted:
6/28/05 4:42pm
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Mistress_Renata posted:
So for the sake of future mods, I'd like a clear definition of "active and visible" vs. "waving the mod stick."
To me it's quite simple, (I could hire an autotypist for this)
Look at our two current mods, they have struck a good balance. The Edit stick isn't implimented that often, nor is the big bad ban stick, but even if it is, clarification and explination have been key.
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obi_ew
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6/28/05 4:51pm
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Waving the mod stick should be a last resort, IMO. Storming onto a thread and threatening to lock it when the users are actually following the rules, only serves to build distrust and bad feelings. I think it's fairly easy to tell well behaved citizens apart from trolling-spamming trouble makers. At least it should be to a mod who is active on the boards and has gotten to know his or her users.
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Mistress_Renata
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Date Posted:
6/28/05 5:17pm
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But even Leona & LadyP have been criticized for not being visible enough. And heaven knows they've been working very hard this last month, I can't imagine how they have time to do any of the "fun" stuff!
So there is a distinction to be made. If you look at the OVERALL modship we have had, very few have rushed into a thread threatening bans. Most of our past mods would poke their heads in and suggest that the thread was straying too far from topic. Only after a few warnings did the "b" word come up. And again, I'm going back to Galadriel's time here, not just recently.
If I bumped into a situation that was not clear cut (posting pornography), I almost always sent serious warnings by PM. Threads just got what I hoped were gentle hints. Most people are pretty good about realizing they've crossed a line, but there were always a few...
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CodeName_Targeter
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Date Posted:
6/28/05 5:29pm
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Alright, I'm a bit late here, but oh well, here it goes.
1) Role of moderators within fan fiction – more hands-on or hands-off, role of policemen only or guides as well? How involved and what kind of role do you want the moderators to play
I'm not quite sure how to really word my thoughts here. I suppose that I'd like a more hands-on role. We don't really need policemen for fanfiction. We're usually a pretty quiet bunch. I suppose that guides would be an apt term. They are there to help the users and take action if necessary.
2) Mod presence/sociability – how important is it that moderators be seen within the community?
It's extremely important for mods to still be apart of the community. Look at the YJCC. The mods there are always active members of the community who can interact with the users pretty easily. There's always some good natured joking going on there.
3) Possibility of creation of a senate – instead of having moderators creating rules for things such as the interspecies guidelines, would you like an intermediary body of users create policy for mods to enforce?
I'm a member of the EUC Senate and while it works for us over there, I'm not sure that it will work for fanfiction. The set ups of the two boards are completely different and if a senate was formed, than a whole new senate organization would need to be decided upon.
4) Direction of fan fiction for the future – where would you like fan fiction to be in six months or a year from now?
Well, needless to say, I would like to see things get back to normal around the boards- meaning without the huge arguments. (little arguments are inevitable) I'd like to see us to continue to grow as a community, etc etc.
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