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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly : Impressions of the JCC
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Darrkwolff
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2/23 5:08pm
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RE: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly : Impressions of the JCC
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Grand_Admiral_Grant posted:
You now can. 
I echo Emily's sentiment in that teh mods are teh r0xx0rz. 
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harpuah
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2/23 5:12pm
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ophelia posted:
Say you were to put the following in order of importance--how would they go?
* Moderators posting as regular users in the JCC more often
* Moderators having roughly equal numbers of edits/disciplinary actions
* Moderators having a different type of relationship with users than they currently do ("Type" unspecified as for now)
Here's my take... mods are regular users.. or should be. Maybe make less of a distinction between mod / user, and be an active part of the overall community... Kate, Rhonda, and gabe are the best examples of this, I think. They really tied the community together, and played a very active role in making things fun.
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solojones
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2/23 5:18pm
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Er, I have some thoughts on mods, but I guess we'll have a thread for that... will someone post that? I already posted the sexual harassment thread.
Grand_Admiral_Grant posted:
You now can.
Open season! Everyone post a murder story thread!
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Katya_Jade
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2/23 6:49pm
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I'd do the three things format but I'm old and with two kids running around, pressed for time.
My time here has lessened over the past year partly to my new little one but also because I feel like my time here has passed a bit. Maybe it's because a lot of the people I used to post with are gone, but I do think the general culture has changed. Honestly, I think it's because I'm in need of a different sense of humor and I get that at another board. For me, there are people whose threads I always read and enjoy posting in. As for the rest, they tend to be the same stuff and go in the same direction others have before so it gets stale.
I still enjoy the sense of community and I think it's still there. I do see some cliqueyness (is that even a word?) but, honestly, that's never changed. There are always cliques here and I think it's actually lessened. When you observe the Slackers, DBers, OTers, Knights, Blue Yoda, etc., etc. warring with each other, one or two groups here and there ain't no big thang.
Say you were to put the following in order of importance--how would they go?
* Moderators posting as regular users in the JCC more often
* Moderators having roughly equal numbers of edits/disciplinary actions
* Moderators having a different type of relationship with users than they currently do ("Type" unspecified as for now)
It's a blend of all of it. First and foremost, the mods have to be active participants in the community. The members have to see you interacting and know you're there to support them. Even if it's one post in a thread that's not just a warning. There's a sense when users see the mods just editing and warning, etc. that they're "looming overhead" and that is more intimidating than anything. Especially for the newbies.
I know it's difficult to have equal numbers of edits spread across every mod - especially when there are five of you. It's just natural that one or two mods will have less. But that's okay - as long as they're still covering the time and active. It's when you have one or two mods online that should be getting stuff and aren't. That's when you get the "Nashira factor" where they're just sitting there and not doing anything to help the team. Once that starts happening, they should say themselves that they're done. If it's temporary, fine, but, if not, get the heck off the header and let someone else take over.
Overall, I think the JCC is just a product of the people who post there. Yes, the mods have some portion of responsibility to help make the place enjoyable, but, not everyone will be happy with everything. There are ebbs and flows on every board and I think this is just a different time for the JCC - at least from where I was more active.
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JediANGELA
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2/23 6:50pm
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3 aspects of the JCC that you believe are good
The games
The way certain posters make me lol
Theres always new threads to post in
3 aspects you personally don't like about it
The way new people are treated (newbie vs oldbie)
Ignorance of people different from from those posting. I've noticed that if someone posts a topic about religion, race, ethnicity, etc, those threads turn real ugly real fast.
Parody thread attacks. I just feel that they are really dumb, and really annoying.
3 things that just drive you batcrap crazy
Goooo science threads
Valentine's Day, Talk like a Pirate Day, Halloween (those 'holidays' really drive me crazy)
solojones posted:
I'll add my voice to the 'gruesome horrifying murder' threads. Real news threads are fine, but this stuff is pointless, and even the titles of those threads conjure up disturbing, unnecessary images much of the time.
I couldnt have said that better.
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1Yodimus_Prime
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2/23 7:10pm
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Being a user with 99% of his posts sitting in the various fanfic boards, I'm sort of coming from a totally different perspective here. Most of the things being brought up, I was never aware of in the first place. (what the hell are 'gooo science' threads??) And I'm willing to bet that most of my own concerns would be just as alien, so I'll probably have to be more descriptive whenever I voice a complaint/suggestion/etc., so nobody's like,  huh?
Gimme a couple days to think these questions over.
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solojones
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2/23 7:21pm
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Well, perhaps you could give us some perspective on why you don't post as much in JCC, what kind of JCC would be more inviting, etc. if you aren't a normal JCC user but if you have some desire to participate in that community.
Personally, I think most JCCers tend to forget there are other boards here So people coming over who are largely a part of different communities have different things to offer. As someone who started out an OTer, migrating to FanFic and eventually JCC and Amph, I understand there's way more than our little JCC bubble here.
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ophelia
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2/23 7:23pm
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Yodimus! Welcome!  I've missed you in my weird, tabloid-headline-filled e-world.
Just for what it's worth, you and Jabbadabbado were nominated as very good users from other forums, who would probably fit in well in YJCC, but don't post there. We were sort of wondering why the forum wasn't bringing in everyone who might like it. If you get stuck on the "3 things" questionnaire, maybe just some very brief impressions of JCC, and why you might or might not want to spend time there?1Yodimus_Prime posted:
(what the hell are 'gooo science' threads??)
Scan the first couple of pages on JCC, and you'll see one. They're kind of a semi-weekly "event."
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Souderwan
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2/23 7:38pm
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Ok. I took a while to ponder my thoughts and percolate them. I'm glad I read the whole thread, too, 'cause you all made me think a bit.
3 aspects of the JCC that you believe are good
-The way new people are welcomed: It's remarkable to me that so many people think there's a negative culture towards newbies here. That's not at all what I've seen. I joined the JCC out of nowhere and I never once felt ostracized or beat up. There were jokes at my expense, yes, but nothing that was too bothersome. I found the JCC to be pretty much like any social group--don't try to make waves when you just show up and you'll get along just fine.
-The Friendships: I like all you people. I can honestly say that there's only one person on the boards that gets under my skin (not Arlon! Leave him alone!! )
-The Community: I honestly believe that the place is a good community. It's got it's cliques and it's watering holes (PAM thread, BYS, JediOutCast, etc) as well as it's wide open public spaces. It's like Cheers!
3 aspects you personally don't like about it
-The general animus toward conservatives, in general, and Christians in particular. I have no particular ax to grind here, but I'm quite tired of the condescension and disdain that is par for the course in the "serious" threads.
-Inconsistency in moderation. Now this is toughie for me because I love all the mods and think of most of them as my friends. That said, the mods tend to tolerate obnoxiousness from some users (and other mods) that would result in editing of other users. I have personally been warned/edited for "addressing the user, not the issue" but there are other users who do this routinely and are not. That needs to stop. A lot of this "olbie" tension people are talking about comes directly from this, I think. The older a user, the more crap he gets away with and no one calls him on it.
-The Post-a-pic thread. I don't know how best to describe how I feel about this thread and I definitely don't want it to go away (I generally just avoid it). On the upside, it puts faces to names and that, as Rick said, humanizes the users and makes the place more like a community. The downside is that it's an open invitation to ridicule some users, sexually harass others, and generally just creep some people out. I could get into it more, but I'll just say that I don't like it and leave it at that.
3 things that just drive you batcrap crazy
-The apparent Anti-JCC chat attitude among a lot of users and some moderators (not necessarily just JCC mods). Yes, it can be annoying when "the cliques" are in chat, but a) chasing discussions off the boards that were born in chat; and/or b) thinking that the chat is somehow the source of problems, is counter-productive and, frankly, quite wrong. Yes, there are some powerful personalities in chat and that can be scary to people not familiar with it. That said, I think the chat is largely harmless.
I know we didn't want tl;dr. Sorry. But one last thought. Nothing that bothers me about the boards is all that bothersome. When I see things I don't like, I just hit the "back" button and move on. I don't click on some threads because I know what they're about before I read them and I know how I'll feel about it. To me, that's perfectly ok.:)
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1Yodimus_Prime
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2/23 7:41pm
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Well actually, the reason I don't post much in JCC is because it's got an incredibly strong resemblance to the community boards in the Something Awful Forums, both in content and subject matter. And since I'm already an active user there, the JCC justs feels redundant. (plus, you're allowed to swear in SA )
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solojones
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2/23 7:54pm
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Souderwan posted:
-The Community: I honestly believe that the place is a good community. It's got it's cliques and it's watering holes (PAM thread, BYS, JediOutCast, etc) as well as it's wide open public spaces. It's like Cheers!
Where everybody knows your username?
I have a quick question regarding the oldbie/newbie tension. It has in the last year or so I've realized that I am amongst the older crowd in terms of reg dates amongst people who still post regularly. Honestly, it kind of creeped up on me. I've never really felt genuinely an oldie until about this last year. So I'm not entirely sure what to do with that.
I guess my real question is, what is it about the oldbie/newbie split that is the bothersome part? I guess I don't really see this split, maybe that's just my blindness. I know that I have on occasion jokingly referred to other users as 'noobs', particularly when the subject of age comes up. I do apologize if I've hurt anyone's feelings unwittingly. I personally don't mean anything by it, it's just more of an acknowledgment that I've spent an absurd percentage of my life here But is that the kind of thing you're talking about that needs to be curbed?
EDIT: Oh yeah, Brian, I also wanted to agree with your point about the picture thread. It is nice to me to be able to humanize the JC and I like to be humanized, which is why I have some pictures here. But I definitely agree that the picture thread is entirely a place for essentially judging people like they're pieces of meat, which is disturbing. And it's a shame, because for people comfortable with sharing pictures, it can be helpful.
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Souderwan
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Yeah. I don't get the olbie/newbie split either. There are some users who, as I said, are afforded a "free pass" and they happen to be "olbies". I have never paid much attention, when posting, to registration dates. I don't pay attention to "popularity" either. Maybe that's why I don't notice these things... 
(Oh. And Rach. Thanks for finishing the line! *high fives*)
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harpuah
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2/23 8:06pm
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I haven't noticed an "oldbie / newbie split". I've never been treated any differently than people who have been registered here longer than I have, to be honest.
I've honestly done my best to "police" (lacking a much better term here) the picture thread.. team creepy gif, etc.. I don't like seeing people treated like a piece of meat either. For the most part, it's great, but yeah, every few pages, somebody gets their creep on.
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JediANGELA
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2/23 8:20pm
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I've noticed it alot, particularly around December/January, and whenever theres a bunch of new posters posting at once. Its usually a user whose been here a while, or someone who thinks that they have, responding: "n00b," or "new user," essentially calling them out on being a newbie.
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harpuah
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Angela, I believe that's joke posting.. December / January are when all the new year socks get registered, no?
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