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Where's the line? Sexual harassment, innuendo, and the JCC
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rhonderoo
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2/25 10:04am
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RE: Where's the line? Sexual harassment, innuendo, and the JCC
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I'm not real sure that sending people to chat will bring back a more community feel to the JCC. I think people should be encouraged to go there to talk to fellow JCCers away from JCC if they'd like, but it's really no more relevant to JCC than MF.com or live journal. In fact, we're stricter with offsite stuff being brought from myspace or other places than we are in chat, but it's because it is just JCCers involved, but it's not really a TFN sanctioned deal. If someone flames you in chat, there is nothing can be done about it here, unless it comes into JCC. (I know! Right?)  So, I don't think chat should go away, and I enjoy going to it myself, but we need to keep the two places better separated sometimes. All I'm sayin'.
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ObiWan506
Title: JC Head Admin
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2/25 10:07am
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Promoting the sense of a community by sending people away from the JC? 
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evil_sockpuppet
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2/25 10:09am
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I think we all recognize that text-based communication is not the best medium for conveying intent and meaning, and as been pointed out, even the smilies mean different things to different people. In general, I think the mods have done a fine job of handling things, because from my point of view, I haven't really seen anything get out of control. I think that when in doubt, a warning should be given, or a PM sent to determine if there is a problem or not.
I also think that the vast majority of users are very responsible about this sort of thing. (I could be wrong, but this is my impression.) As I said before, I have never felt like I was being harassed, but I have, on more than one occasion, recieved a PM from someone making sure I knew they were kidding. It's really a matter of learning how people communicate. It's part of what makes the boards a community.
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Spiderfan
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2/25 10:10am
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rhonderoo posted:
I'm not real sure that sending people to chat will bring back a more community feel to the JCC. I think people should be encouraged to go there to talk to fellow JCCers away from JCC if they'd like, but it's really no more relevant to JCC than MF.com or live journal. In fact, we're stricter with offsite stuff being brought from myspace or other places than we are in chat, but it's because it is just JCCers involved, but it's not really a TFN sanctioned deal. If someone flames you in chat, there is nothing can be done about it here, unless it comes into JCC. (I know! Right?) So, I don't think chat should go away, and I enjoy going to it myself, but we need to keep the two places better separated sometimes. All I'm sayin'.
Well I didn't mean that we should send people to the chat to get that feeling nor that the chat shouldn't be a seperate thing. I mean that the sort of "kick off your shoes and unwind" bonding that I find occurs in the chat is something that can benefit the JCC...without the chat necessarily. Blah...I don't think I am explaining this well...note to self: sleep more.
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rhonderoo
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2/25 10:28am
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Not a biggie. I understand what you're saying for the most part. I think if we continue on the chat line, let's move it into it's own thread. Anyone feel free to start it if you have any thoughts about it from here.
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DT421 And the hot chick is really the sister of the good guy, but they don't know it, and they kiss. Which is kind of messed up. I mean, what if they had done it instead of just kissed?
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Everton
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2/25 10:42am
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ObiWan506 posted:
Since the title of the thread is "Where's the line?", I hope I can be allowed to ask a few questions of our own that have come up in the past during discussions like this. Suppose a moderator had received word of something through an AIM channel where s/he heard that a user was going onto the JCC to follow someone around for the intention of annoying and baiting them. Now while their posts are within ToS, because of an offsite disclosure, we know there is malicious intent behind it. It's not information we were seeking, it's something we just picked up offsite. With someone's intention realized, do we still play it by the book, risk the situation becoming worse and wait for a person to break ToS before jumping in? Or protect the user being stalked early enough before it escalates because we know the true intent?
Simply PM the user in question and say that you've read / or know (depending on the circumstance) what they've posted offsite. I wouldn't beat around the bush. If the user responds in an outrage then you can say that's fine, and there'll be no problem then, will there? Let them make the next move. I don't think you can punish in advance.
If someone comes onto the JC and has malicious intent, then that intent will certainly show itself somehow. Malice doesn't hide very easily. The users who are really good at existing in that 'gray area' as Kate put it and not (I believe) the ones who are going to cause genuine problems... not the ones who really mean to annoy. I'd put Ignant into that category. He got banned a bit, sure, and pulled legs, but his intent was mild at best. He remained 'grey'. Those who come to the JCC with genuine malicious intent are the ones who will be hopeless at hiding it. It's the nature of the beast. We're not in a professional criminal environment where master criminals can remain hidden; we're on an internet message board and those who cause trouble stick out like a sore thumb.
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Souderwan
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2/25 11:50am
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Everton posted:
Simply PM the user in question and say that you've read / or know (depending on the circumstance) what they've posted offsite. I wouldn't beat around the bush. If the user responds in an outrage then you can say that's fine, and there'll be no problem then, will there? Let them make the next move. I don't think you can punish in advance.
If someone comes onto the JC and has malicious intent, then that intent will certainly show itself somehow. Malice doesn't hide very easily. The users who are really good at existing in that 'gray area' as Kate put it and not (I believe) the ones who are going to cause genuine problems... not the ones who really mean to annoy. I'd put Ignant into that category. He got banned a bit, sure, and pulled legs, but his intent was mild at best. He remained 'grey'. Those who come to the JCC with genuine malicious intent are the ones who will be hopeless at hiding it. It's the nature of the beast. We're not in a professional criminal environment where master criminals can remain hidden; we're on an internet message board and those who cause trouble stick out like a sore thumb.
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harpuah
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2/25 12:25pm
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ObiWan506 posted:
Promoting the sense of a community by sending people away from the JC?
I agree... it would be nice if some of that banter could be on the boards... I do go into the jcchat on a pretty regular basis, but balance it with posting. I honestly think the jcchat takes a lot away from the boards, and definitely divides and excludes people.
I mean say somebody starts a thread, and the opening post is:
"YIOOPKYDVGHYIKOLJKHJH  "
90 percent of the jcc will have absolutely no idea what the hell the thread author is talking about.
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GIMER
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2/25 1:30pm
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I'm going to need to read more of the thread when I have more time.
I've gotten through a few of the posts and I agree with Brian about Juli's Junk in her Trunk.
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Grand_Admiral_Grant
Title: Ex-Mod
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2/25 1:55pm
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harpuah posted:
it would be nice if some of that banter could be on the boards... I do go into the jcchat on a pretty regular basis, but balance it with posting. I honestly think the jcchat takes a lot away from the boards, and definitely divides and excludes people.
Just throwing something in here: social threads
Are they a substitute for chats in any way? Are they contributing to the building of cliques? What do you guys think?
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Jabbadabbado
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Date Posted:
2/25 2:04pm
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Are social thread a substitute for chats in any way?
yes.
Are they contributing to the building of cliques?
yes.
What do you guys think?
I think if any online community is big enough, it has sub-communities. A social thread is a forum within a forum. If the community is big enough to support more than one, with mostly unique membership to each, then it's a sign of the community's diversity and size and strength.
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JediANGELA
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2/25 2:26pm
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Are social threads a substitute for chats in any way?
Yes
Are they contributing to the building of cliques?
Yes
What do you guys think?
I was actually going to make a separate thread for this. A lot of social threads from what I've seen are being used to increase a users post count, a lot of posts in there are like Hi Guys, or Hi everyone, and the next post is Hi whomever entered the thread. Thats a way for subcommunities or cliques to form. And I really hate to admit it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one, that if I encounter a member of a clique(that I am aware of) and they do something that I dont like and I react to it, I immediately imprint that reaction on the rest of the clique even though its not their fault.
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Grand_Admiral_Grant
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2/25 2:31pm
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Please feel free to start a separate thread about this, Meryl. 
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Souderwan
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2/25 2:35pm
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Oh fine. I'll do it.
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JediANGELA
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2/25 3:14pm
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Sorry, I had to answer a long distance phone call.
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