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DarthTunick
Title: Host: The JCC Weekly Poll
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2/25 10:11pm
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RE: Thoughts on your JCC moderating team...
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In all matter of candor, I fundamentally disagree with your premise there, Rachel, as my line of thinking on JCC standards compares to Roo's point. It shouldn't matter how many young people (younger than ourselves, mind you) post here, the JCC isn't Disneyland/a G or even a PG board. The youngest anybody is technically allowed to have an account here is 13. I've never understood why it's ok to have that age standard there to have an account (something that I agree with, by the way, as the age policy is sitewide I believe), but there's always an inclination (whether it be from any particular mod, or user) to mod that fourm as if it were only just Disneyland. A PG-13 atmosphere is the way, I believe, the JCC has always flown. Its how it should be. It's how its always been.
I like to call it Sape Syndrome.
Couldn't have said it any better.
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rhonderoo
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2/26 12:25pm
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Touche, Dani! 
I'd like to encourage people to be honest with us in here. If it's something you'd rather PM us individually if you think it might hurt our feelings, feel free. But we've started this with the idea of good communication in mind. We promise no hard feelings. Just remember that there's a way to say things and as long as you're respectful, I don't mind for myself, anyway. We don't want this to be an open Mod Complaint process, but trust you to be constructive on how the team should work. 
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DT421  And the hot chick is really the sister of the good guy, but they don't know it, and they kiss. Which is kind of messed up. I mean, what if they had done it instead of just kissed?
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Spiderfan
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2/26 12:44pm
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rhonderoo posted:
I'd like to encourage people to be honest with us in here.
Roo those shoes are awful!
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rhonderoo
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DT421 And the hot chick is really the sister of the good guy, but they don't know it, and they kiss. Which is kind of messed up. I mean, what if they had done it instead of just kissed?
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Spiderfan
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I'm Canadian...what do I know?
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solojones
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2/26 1:23pm
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Tunick, you realize I was joking, right?  Who doesn't love Space Mountain?! Why can't we have one??
I have a comment on a different subject, though. This notion that people like to throw around the the JC 'is just a messageboard and shouldn't be taken seriously' is true to an certain extent... but I think it's also kind of kidding ourselves. A lot of the same people who say that also say they've made great friends here, it's been important to them, etc. I think it's pretty clear that there is at least some important, real element to the interactions here (perhaps 'serious' incorrectly labels them). Real friendships and relationships exist here, solely because of this place. It's important to a lot of us. So I think it's important that we remember there are real people under each username. And even if some of us honestly don't take anything here seriously at all (connections to anyone else, etc), I'd say it's pretty clear the majority of people here find something *real* about their interactions here. That should be respected and kept in mind. Not everyone is getting married to another user, but heck, some people have But most people in the least have formed friendships that are important to them. So I think writing off problems because 'this place isn't serious' is kind of contrary to the overwhelming feeling that this place is important to users in one way or another.
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On the subject of what the JC is 'rated'. PG-13 is fine. Content is not the same as behavior, though. What I'm primarily concerned about is how people act towards other users. The JC is not a place designed for people to one up each other in flame wars. It never has been, and in my opinion, it never should be. It's not SA. If you want to post like that, go to some place like that. The JC consists of people with different opinions and personalities, but it's always seemed an underlying aim to try to keep things at the least civil. It's one of the things I've liked about the JC, and frankly a reason I *don't* post places like SA.
The recent tendency to never publicly point out flaming and discourage it kind of worries me for the reason that it feels like the JC is sliding more towards the typical geek messageboard in that sense. I don't think this should be a hostile environment for anyone. Now I appreciate that appearances are probably deceiving, the mods are apparently doing more than we see... but the only thing that effects the environment of the JCC is what we actually see in the JCC. So when it seems like mods tacitly approve of flaming, I think it sours the atmosphere. I just think the JC is better than that. Obviously not perfect by any means, but better.
-sj loves kevin spacey
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Souderwan
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2/26 2:32pm
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But it is a message board!
Ok. Seriously. I really enjoy my time here. I walked away for a bit, largely because I wasn't having fun anymore--a lot of that was driven by me taking things too seriously and allowing it to affect me personally. At the end of the day, the comment that it's just a message board doesn't mean that we don't love the place and want to see it do well. What it does mean, however, at least when I say it anyway, is that we could all stand to give ourselves a bit of perspective. What does popularity on a SW site really mean in the grand scheme of things? Being a mod? Getting colors? Really. How does that affect your life? Do you get paid more? Are you really going to feel better about yourself as a person?
Personally, I think if you allow yourself to get wrapped up in this place too much, you lose perspective. Suddenly you're playing social political games and/or being paranoid that others are doing so. You find people who are gathering in groups talking about how they're going to "get" one user or another; you get people who are screaming at their computers because someone makes an unfair comment about them. I'm not pretending I'm immune. Yesterday Vivec made some comments that I found personally offensive and I let it piss me off. Notice what I said there? "I let it piss me off". I've got nobody to blame but myself.
We all need a bit of perspective sometimes.
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solojones
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2/26 2:59pm
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Well sure, but that's really no different than saying we shouldn't let RL issues of popularity, disagreements, etc. get to us. Which is fine. The only thing I'm suggesting is because we do have real friendships and such here, concerns about how people act towards each other can't (and shouldn't) be completely ignored.
-sj loves kevin spacey
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Souderwan
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But Rachel, I don't think anyone's suggesting that we shouldn't care about how we treat each other. I think we're saying that, when we let things get to us, we should try a little perspective. There's a big difference between this and real life interactions. We know that communication is different, for example--facial expressions, tone, body language, etc aren't possible here. It's much easier to read negative intentions from users on a message board than you would from RL conversations because you're applying your own biases and the like to the other person's comments. It's true that we do that in real life interactions as well, but you generally have evidence beyond the words that people are using to confirm or disregard those biases.
Again. Perspective. That's all I mean when I say it.
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DarthTunick
Title: Host: The JCC Weekly Poll
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2/26 5:26pm
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Tunick, you realize I was joking, right? Who doesn't love Space Mountain?! Why can't we have one??
I've got two responses to that:
A) 
B) The last time I was at Disneyland ('04), Space Mountain was closed. 
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ophelia
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2/26 6:26pm
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Still reading--still following.
Still kicked out of my usual ultra-tl;dr mode by the cruelty of RL.
I know you all weep because of this.
Good call, Kate and Dani on increased presence in the JCC's "other threads." Yesterday I tried reading the last page of every thread on the board and failed, but I did find some worthwhile stuff--speaking both as a mod and a user.
Except for Grant, who doesn't have a life,  , I'm not sure each individual JCC mod will have time to read every thread every day, but we have an entire (kind of) private forum for communicating with each other. I don't see any reason why the 5 of us can't put some organization into our travels through the forum, so we don't have 5 mods in one thread and none in another. (And yes, before anyone comments, I wish I was Kate. I know that most of JCC wishes I was Kate, too. If, at any time, Kate decides she wishes she was me, I will step down and trade places with her. No questions asked.)
Re The Quest For Flames: I hear you, sj . . . there are a lot of things I could say about threads turning ugly, but this is about all I have time to say . . . there's a continuum between intensity and hostility and flaming. The distinctions often lie in differences as razor-thin as the choice of one word, or some well-placed asterisks.
Editing out flames is easy, and almost everybody cheers when you do it. Editing out intensity is stupid, and would require the deletion of most of the users in this thread, including me. Places where intensity is banned slowly drain out your soul. Or not so slowly--whichever. The problem really lies in the hot and uncomfortable territory of "hostility." We all have different tolerances for it, and sometimes our tolerance for hostility in one area is much greater than our tolerance in another area.
I have a high tolerance for hostile-toned posts so long as actual information is being exchanged, and users haven't descended to insulting each other's mothers. FWIW, I posted in the Senate during the K_K days, and I liked it. I've been known to converse with Ender_Sai and Jello . . . on purpose, and sometimes at the same time. Ironically, I posted my reasons for allowing this sort of thing in about half a million threads when I was a regular user, but now that I'm here for you guys and not for me, Ima shut up. I'm hearing that the community in general does not like Senate, 2004-style posts. Okay. I'll take that back to TJCC and work with the other JCC mods on it, so we can be sure we're all on the same page.
Just as an FYI, I also have a high tolerance for many kinds of nonsense threads (aka "spam") and parody threads. While they are almost never funny in and of themselves, they can often be made funny by virtue of their sheer ridiculousness.
So if I'm not editing the heck out of that stuff, it's not because I'm lazy or I don't know it's there.  In my twisted vision of the universe, it adds something to the JCC community--certainly more than locked threads or gutted posts do. (And yes, I still edit "disallowed words" and other stuff I have no choice but to edit. If it looks weird to edit out "**" but to leave a thread where two people are a hair away from screaming at each other . . . it wasn't my decision to ban "**.") I like Souderwan's party host analogy--and apparently I like less interference with my parties than some do.
That said, I am paying attention to what people in this FG have to say on the subject. I don't know that I've heard a definitive cry for kicking more fluff out of JCC yet, but in the event that I do, I'm willing to do that.
I use my own best instincts, yes, but not when those instincts are running counter to what most of the community wants.
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lexu
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For the record, I would greatly, greatly prefer the ridiculous stuff stay. Parody threads, other silly stuff... it contributes to the random kind of humor I like. I think many people would share my opinion, and it doesn't hurt the people who don't like those things since they're easy to ignore.
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Souderwan
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I agree with lexu on this issue.
Ophelia, I think I stated my opinion (in standard tl;dr format) in the Christianity thread so I won't restate it here.
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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I agree about the nonsense, and I enjoy the relaxed policy on parody threads. It's not really a "problem" like porn or swearing and can sometimes turn into something fun, even if the original post is hopeless.
ophelia posted:
I'm not sure each individual JCC mod will have time to read every thread every day, but we have an entire (kind of) private forum for communicating with each other. I don't see any reason why the 5 of us can't put some organization into our travels through the forum, so we don't have 5 mods in one thread and none in another.
I think it sounds like a really good idea to share the load on the juggernaut social threads that none of the mods go into regularly (off the top of my head: Beautiful Game, Geriatric Ward, Shinjo's, Hottie Wars, Outcasts, Lightsiders, PAM, and Flirt Thread are usually all on the first page or two)
As for new threads, there's really not that many being created. I've been kind of mystified lately by the lower volume of posts, and at most times the last 24 hours of threads end about halfway through the second page of the forum (50 threads per page... and a fair number of those are the ones I listed above). Considering most mods spend at least a couple of hours a day on the JC, and considering that a lot of those threads read very quickly ("poop lol" posts and so forth), it shouldn't be that hard to read through the latest posts in less than 75 threads over the course of the day. Or if you have a timeshare system (which I think I read earlier) it's probably less than 25 threads for your "shift."
Edit: Damn! It looks like I missed the Ewan and Hayden fans, the Golden Age Cafe, and the Threadkillers. I spent a lot of time trying to see if I could list all of them!
(Also it looks like I love parentheses.)
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DarthTunick
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Well, if I choose to continue my quotes thread in '09, it's going to be a general thread (ie: I'll actually look for quotes elsewhere, suite them to my own tastes, but of course link/credit the quote to the source/website for which it came from. Hell, if there's a good photo to match the quote, I can even include the photo with no extra grumpiness.
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