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solojones
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2/25 8:53pm
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Honestly, I don't know the last person I knew of (besides ossy  ) who was banned for anything. I honestly don't understand why it was such a bad thing to say publicly 'hey, cut it out, that's not acceptable'. At least then it was clear what was and wasn't flying. But I do think that, for whatever reason, lesser known users tend to be more cautious about their comments and flame less, probably because they get the impression (as a number of people have said) that they would be banned for something others are getting away with.
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lexu
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2/25 9:20pm
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Darth_Guy posted:
I think the JCChat is lame-- well, most of the time -- but I don't feel alienated by it.
I think the cliques are lame too, but I don't really give a **** as long as it doesn't start stupid drama (e.g. offshoot boards); it hasn't been a problem for the last couple years, though, and good riddance.
Pretty much exactly what I think.
I don't think it's an issue. I mean, some people will perceive themselves to be on the "outside" or whatever. I'm not in a clique and I don't get all the inside jokes, but I don't care.
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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2/25 9:26pm
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Well you two are just no fun.
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solojones
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2/25 9:38pm
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The jokes aren't a problem, nor the friendships, as I mentioned. I mean, I know for a fact that I have a ton of inside jokes with Terr and Jazib that no one else would get. Everyone has their friends.
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evil_sockpuppet
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2/25 10:09pm
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As a newcomer to the chat, I did find it dizzying at first, trying to figure out who everyone was, but for the most part everyone has been very friendly and welcoming toward me, and I feel that I have made quite a few good friends there. Like the JCC itself, it takes a while to get established, but I don't find that off-putting. And I've never felt left out by the private jokes, only sad when I can't join chat because I'm on a computer that doesn't have AIM. 
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Terr_Mys
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2/25 10:14pm
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Free darth_boy
In all seriousness, whether or not there really is an "in-crowd" that rules the JCC, I think it does appear that way to a lot of us sometimes. I'm not necessarily sure that these members receive special treatment, but I guess my concern is that is some users feel the need to resort to witty, thinly-veiled flames in order to appear "cool" on the interwebs and to fit in. This seems to be an important identity marker of the Internet geek subculture that many of us probably consider ourselves a part of, and is something that is widely accepted on other boards like SA and 4chan. Of course, joking "flames" between friends should be fine, but when a thinly-veiled flame is directed towards someone outside of one's social circle, how are mods supposed to know the difference?
Or maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. 
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure that the problem is whether or not the in group/mod bias stuff exists, but rather if it is perceived to exist by people who aren't "in", and if that perception is detrimental to the community.
As somebody who's not "in", I don't think that there really is a mod bias or whatever, or that the cliques are a problem. But I think that the members who are in those groups (the mods and the "cool" members or whatever) need to realize that to newbs and to people who aren't necessarily as immersed in the JCC culture and subcultures as others, there seems to be those divisions and those biases. That's where this becomes detrimental to the forum, I think. Because any community needs to be getting new members to survive, and I can see these cliques or perceived biases getting in the way of that. And on top of that, it can make it a bit tougher for those who don't think of themselves as "popular" or "in the clique" to enjoy themselves. Is it a huge deal? No. Will people still join the JCC and have fun there? Of course. If is something that can/should just be easily fixed? No way. Should it be acknowledged and perhaps addressed in some way? Yes, I believe so.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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2/25 11:43pm
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Prenn: Question. Do you mean acknowledged and addressed by the administration (the mods) or the community (the JCC as a whole, mods+users)?
And do you have a theoretical--it doesn't have to necessarily be all thought out--example of a way this might be addressed?
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ApolloSmileGirl
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2/25 11:50pm
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The thing that bugs me the most about the whole popular/in crowd perception is that most of the users that people would stick that label on could care less whether they're considered popular or not.
It's the people that feel left out, for whatever insecure reason/s, that stick that label on these users. If anyone makes this a "It's just like being in High School again" atmosphere, it's the users that would rather sit back and bitch about certain people, than the actual people that seem to gain e-notoriety on the interweb because they're carefree.
In short, it's a freaking messageboard. If for whatever reason you feel left out, than do something about it besides complaining about others that have no problem just coming here to have a good time, or to blow off some steam.
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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2/25 11:52pm
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I think it needs to be acknowledged by the Administration and the community, but more so by the Administration, if only because it's their specific job to make sure that the JCC is a fun community, etc. (at least I think that's their job. I may be assuming things). But it needs to be addressed by the community as a whole as well, because it's a complex issue.
And as far as addressing it, I think that's where it gets a bit more fuzzy. I mean, it's important, I think, for the Administration to recognize that this perception is going around, so that they can at least be aware of their actions and how what they do or say may look in the eyes of a newb who already has this perception. But really, I don't think there's that much that we really can do, concretely, at least, other than being aware that people are seeing things this way, and trying not to do or say things that will feed into it.
Or something.
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solojones
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2/26 12:14am
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Juli, no offense, but the kind of attitude you're displaying isn't really helping your case. You're making this huge assumption that everyone wants to be in your group of friends, which is pretty arrogant. In fact, the opposite is true. A lot of people just want to be left alone by your group, or in the least respected. I have a lot of friends here, and there are people I just don't have a desire to be friends with. That's fine by me. My problem is with how certain groups treat other groups.
Demeaning people, calling them names (insecure, bitching, etc), grandstanding... that's the exact kind of stuff that people object to. Your group is extremely visible. You guys post a lot of threads, post in a lot of threads, and are generally pretty talkative. Unfortunately, you're also often pretty rude to other people, and other people don't appreciate it. I don't think any group here is 'popular' in the sense of being liked so much as 'popular' in the sense of being bullying. I object to anyone getting away with that, regardless of what 'group' they are in. But it's particularly bad when there's a large, unified group that tends to gang up on other people.
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Terr_Mys
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I'm not one to take the JC too seriously... I haven't really posted much in this focus group because I can't see much to complain about, and I don't see the point in making a big deal out of it.
However, my concern is not with posters who are "carefree," but with those who are consistently rude, as sj pointed out, or just simply contentious. Obviously we can't change people's personalities, but I don't think we should tolerate "blowing off steam" when it entails ridiculing other users from the comfort of one's computer...chair...
Again, I'm not really referring to a particular group of people, but it seems that the tone of the JCC can sometimes lean towards argumentative, primarily in more serious threads and particularly when the users involved belong to different social groups or otherwise don't know each other very well. I think it might help to have some "GTKY" activities on the JCC, but I suppose that's another topic altogether.
Just throwing out some ideas.
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ApolloSmileGirl
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2/26 2:11am
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So now it's my group? It took you long enough to left that thin veil of insinuation to actually acknowledge that you're speaking specifically about me, and I suspect others in this focus group.
Now why don't you really get specific and say what your problems are with me and whoever else you may be referring to.
solojones posted:
Juli, no offense, but the kind of attitude you're displaying isn't really helping your case.
No offense, but I'm not trying to make a case, nor defend my posting style Rachel. I'm stating my opinions, not trying to defend myself.
solojones posted:
You're making this huge assumption that everyone wants to be in your group of friends, which is pretty arrogant. In fact, the opposite is true. A lot of people just want to be left alone by your group, or in the least respected. I have a lot of friends here, and there are people I just don't have a desire to be friends with. That's fine by me. My problem is with how certain groups treat other groups.
Could you point out where I made this "huge assumption"? I've never been presumptuous, nor snobby enough to think that people swoon at me or the company I choose to keep around here. On top of that, I've never shunned anyone for any kind of superficial reason. I do, however, speak my mind. I'm sorry if that bothers you.
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A lot of people just want to be left alone by your group, or in the least respected. I have a lot of friends here, and there are people I just don't have a desire to be friends with. That's fine by me. My problem is with how certain groups treat other groups.
Could you possibly list the petition of users that just want to be left alone by My group? I'm curious as to who they are, and if they go to you directly. Or, are you just assuming, like you are about my particular intentions at this site, that they are all up in arms over this supposed third world treatment they receive here.
solojones posted:
Demeaning people, calling them names (insecure, bitching, etc), grandstanding... that's the exact kind of stuff that people object to. Your group is extremely visible. You guys post a lot of threads, post in a lot of threads, and are generally pretty talkative. Unfortunately, you're also often pretty rude to other people, and other people don't appreciate it.
Demean? Please, I talk down on myself here more than I do anyone else here, and once again I'd really like to see the rally cry of all the poor little users that the Big Bad Social club has denied access to this supposed penthouse status of geekdom to. As far as being rude? That's really all in the way you read it, isn't it? Obviously you, and this supposed band of people that are sick of it all are on a different page than me and My group.
solojones posted:
I don't think any group here is 'popular' in the sense of being liked so much as 'popular' in the sense of being bullying. I object to anyone getting away with that, regardless of what 'group' they are in. But it's particularly bad when there's a large, unified group that tends to gang up on other people.
It's a ****ing messegeboard. Popularity should be a foreign concept on a stage such as this. Do you really think that dozens of the "Cool kids" here meet up at various interweb cafes and stage a ground assault on how we can ruin other people's lives by stating our opinions on a freaking website?
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ApolloSmileGirl
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Terr_Mys posted:
However, my concern is not with posters who are "carefree," but with those who are consistently rude, as sj pointed out, or just simply contentious. Obviously we can't change people's personalities, but I don't think we should tolerate "blowing off steam" when it entails ridiculing other users from the comfort of one's computer...chair...
I by no means meant blowing off steam as a metaphor for coming here to pwn every possible user that I can, which I'm assuming is what you're implying. I'm sorry if it came out that way when I said it earlier.
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Darth_Guy
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