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lexu
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2/26 3:59am
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RE: JCChat and Social Threads--More Harm Than Good?
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I have to agree with Juli, for the most part... I really don't see any group. Maybe a lot of users that post often, some of whom are friends. I don't see anyone else who feels picked on by "them." Some people can sometimes be interpreted as rude. Others would see it as speaking their mind. There's no rule against being rude, though, no matter how you want to classify it. The boards would suck if it was all smiles and unicorns. Obviously flames are different, but the mods take care of that if they recognize it/get told about it.
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Souderwan
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2/26 4:03am
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More on this when I have time later. But I do have a couple quick thoughts:
1. I hate this notion of "popular". Despise it. One day I showed up at the JCC (Kate invited me because I was bitching about how cruel and cold Comms was or something like that, I forget  ). No one was hostile to me. I didn't know anyone here. I was just myself. I didn't go out of my way to piss anyone off. I did go out of my way to be friendly and polite to people. Next thing I know, threads are popping up all over the place with my name in them and--voila!--I'm "popular". WTH? What'd I do? No idea. What I do know is that suddenly my opinion on issues of internet popularity are responded to with "of course you think that! you're popular!" Huh? What? It's a message board!!
2. We could all stand to remember that there are people on the other end of the computer screen that we're addressing.
Be back later.
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Spiderfan
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2/26 4:33am
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Wow...some people are taking offense where I don't think there needs to be offense taken. I never understood the mindset of "you're opinion differs from mine therefor you must be wrong".
That aside I have to agree with points on both sides of the discussion. I do feel there is a specific but undefined in crowd and acknowledge that it may be entirely a perception. I see several people denying the existence of such a crowd many of whom I would place within that said crowd or close enough to it. Whether or not that crowd exists, the perception is something we need to acknowledge and deal with as its not just one or two people that seem to feel that way. And saying "Pfft there is no crowd and anyone who says there is needs to stop whining" isn't exactly dealing with it.
After all I thought this was a place where we all get to share our opinions and views and get to discuss them, not a small portion gets to share their views and dismiss anything that doesn't agree with it. If the latter half is true then I really don't see a point in being here as nothing will ever be accomplished. I was under the impression the focus group was intended to draw out the issues and deal with them, not dismiss them and carry on as though nothing happened...that seems like a complete waste of time.
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ApolloSmileGirl
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2/26 6:14am
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Spiderfan posted:
After all I thought this was a place where we all get to share our opinions and views and get to discuss them, not a small portion gets to share their views and dismiss anything that doesn't agree with it. If the latter half is true then I really don't see a point in being here as nothing will ever be accomplished. I was under the impression the focus group was intended to draw out the issues and deal with them, not dismiss them and carry on as though nothing happened...that seems like a complete waste of time.
We pretty much all are sharing our opinions Spiderfan. Just because some of us may disagree with others, doesn't mean we're dismissing others viewpoints. I don't have a problem with SJ's opinions, as much as I just disagree with them. It's already been stated by the staff in here that this isn't necessarily going to change any policy already in place. It's here to discuss our opinion of the current state of the JCC, and were individuals would like to see it head in the future. It may seem like it's been heated once or twice in the focus group, but we've all pretty much been staying on track with the purpose of this group.
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Spiderfan
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I have no issue with heated debate nor disagreeing with other's opinions. Its when someone states an opinion or states how they see things only to have their perspective immediately dismissed as either false or skewed, that I have a problem with. Its their opinion/perspective (a relative matter)...how can it be wrong? Misguided perhaps.
I am seeing the dismissal of opposing opinions far too often on the JCC and in all sincerity its one of my bigger pet peeves. Its generally why I tend to stay away from non-geek related topics...
And whether the issue is real or perceived, its really a matter of relativity as its still someone's opinion on the state of things, thus they have just as much right to outline their concerns regarding said issues as anyone else. I don't think anyone has the right to deny or dismiss those opinions simply because they disagree.
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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2/26 6:35am
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I think the problem with the allegations of the existence of an "in-crowd" is that there is little to no actual cohesiveness to that crowd nowadays. Back when offshoot board wars were big, the warring in-crowds did have clear lines drawn around their memberships and close relationships with everyone in their group, but it really isn't that way these days. Juli and I, I think it's safe to say, are both members of the so-called "in-crowd" but we are not great friends. We talk occasionally in the chat, but we have never been close, we have rarely had one on one conversations, we've never posted offboard together. If I were guessing, I'd say Lexu is in the "in-crowd" too, but we don't have any relationship beyond what gets posted.
The "in-crowd," then, isn't defined by a group of people who are great friends off-board and transfer those relationships and dynamics publicly onto the boards, rather it's a group of people who have similar posting volumes and styles and because of that may be more visible than other users. Because there's no cohesiveness or mutual protectiveness, I think it's unfair to ascribe today's "in-crowd" the same qualities as previous "in-crowds" like the Sarcasm Knights, Basers, what have you.
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yankee8255
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2/26 7:43am
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On the clique topic, I don't really see a problem with either the chat or the social threads. The one thing that drives me nuts, though, as something of a latecomer to the JCC party, is people making reference to personal information, espcially real names, that aren't in people's user profile. You're a newbie, you go into a board and everyone is calling each other by their real names, none of which are in their profiles -- big turn off for new users. Same goes for other references to personal info. I've figured out that ASG has a sister who posts here, and recently got married, but have no clue what her user name is. It would be nice if little tidbits like that were in your profile.
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Spiderfan
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I think you mean ASO ...
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yankee8255
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2/26 7:58am
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They're the same person, aren't they?
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Terr_Mys
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ApolloSmileGirl posted:
Terr_Mys posted:
However, my concern is not with posters who are "carefree," but with those who are consistently rude, as sj pointed out, or just simply contentious. Obviously we can't change people's personalities, but I don't think we should tolerate "blowing off steam" when it entails ridiculing other users from the comfort of one's computer...chair...
I by no means meant blowing off steam as a metaphor for coming here to pwn every possible user that I can, which I'm assuming is what you're implying. I'm sorry if it came out that way when I said it earlier.
No, I know what you meant, and I wasn't referring to you in particular. I agree that most people have a positive, light-hearted attitude about the JCC... there's just the occasional bad apple.
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2/26 8:28am
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All right guys, now let's go back to social threads and threads from chat and not go back and forth to each other personally. Thank you muchly!!!
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MASTERPRENN
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2/26 8:32am
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Like I said earlier, I'm not so sure that the problem is an "in" group itself, but the perception of one. And as far as that goes, I'm not so sure that there's a lot we can do about it, other than be aware of it and try to generally not feed into that idea with our words or actions.
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rhonderoo
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I agree. There is no way you can stop people from "congregating", as we all end up gravitating towards those we feel comfortable with or have things in common. I think the main things we can take from this is to try to reach out to those beyond our own "circle" when possible, and not go out of our way to make people feel excluded. Some of that is fine, we all do it in communities this big, but generally we'd like one big community with smaller groups that still overlap.
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ApolloSmileGirl
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But in the case of perception of an "in" group, shouldn't it be more up to the people that have those perceptions to look a little deeper into context of the people that they criticize?
If there is no "In" group, than why should the people that are perceived to be in said group be up for any sort of scrutinization because they tend to speak their mind?
The whole clique thing is just completely stupid, and unwarranted. I'm friends here with the people I want to be friends with, regardless of whatever clique they're accused of belonging to. Take me and Dani(and a few others both ways), a few years ago we used to be at each other's throat every chance we got. The whole "My group vs. your group" mentality died years ago, and good riddance. It got rid of a lot of negativity, and made some people that loved to feud with each other end up understanding each other, and omg! actually liking each other.
Chat is, although unofficially, an extension of the JCC. It's open to anybody. Is there heckling sometimes? Yes. Is it reserved exclusively for people new to the chat? No.
The social threads are all gummi bears and unicorn poems these days anyways, so it's not like anything harsh ever goes on in them anymore. The grandfathered socials tend to keep a pretty persistent crowd of oldbies to the threads, though I've yet to see one that tells new people to gt*o. I really don't think the Hat or the socials are detrimental to the JCC as a whole.
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rhonderoo
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From what I'm seeing, it could be that the mods need to work more on negating the perception of an "in" group by making sure it's visible that we edit those considered "in", especially on baiting and flaming. That tends to cast negativity on the forum, so we'll take that feedback and use it. I will say that both harpuah and ApolloSmilieGirl, as well as ASO are on my WUL, but I've PM'd them (and even edited them or locked their threads), but sometimes it's not as visible. And that goes back to the consistency thing, I think. I know them better than a newer user, so I feel like they'll respond more to a PM saying "you're getting close to a ban." That looks like a perception thing that I should maybe do different for them and the community.
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DT421 And the hot chick is really the sister of the good guy, but they don't know it, and they kiss. Which is kind of messed up. I mean, what if they had done it instead of just kissed?
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