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MASTERPRENN
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Date Posted:
2/26 9:33am
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RE: JCChat and Social Threads--More Harm Than Good?
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Yeah, I'd say that of all the groups involved, it's most important for the Mods to take it into consideration when they're doing their thing, if only because it directly affects their job description. The normal users are under no such obligation, but it'd be nice if they thought about it too.
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solojones
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2/26 1:06pm
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RE: JCChat and Social Threads--More Harm Than Good?
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Juli, sorry I let my temper get the best of me. What I really get frustrated about honestly isn't even on my behalf. But I know from personal experience how it is to feel like you're being bullied by users with more power, and it's especially frustrating when it feels like nothing is done about it. There are a number of people who have tentatively voiced this kind of opinion here (particularly in the intro thread), they just seem kind of nervous to say much more about it.
I mean, according to the Facebook application 'Personal DNA', I am an Advocating Idealist. And what could be more scientific than that 
EDIT: Oh yeah, something that came to mind... I think a bigger factor in the cliques than chat or social threads is RL meetups. Which are obviously an awesome thing. It's just natural, though, that the people who've had the chance to meet each other at cons and such will be closer. It's unfortunate for people who are unable to go to things like that, but that's not to say it's a bad thing at all.
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Do not doubt the accuracy of the Facebook Applications...they know all!!! 
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MASTERPRENN
Title: JCC Man.
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2/26 1:14pm
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I'm inclined to think that that's quite true.
The "comparing movie interests" has never failed me.
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Jabba-wocky
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2/26 3:59pm
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I'm wading in initially here today, because I think I've put off meaningful participation for too long. I am, though, still conflicted about a lot of these issues. This time, I'll try a kind of checklist approach.
On my experience with Social threads and the Chat, I think it's been a net positive experience. As a newcomer to Chat, it's been at times a really disorienting experience. But, much like the JCC, I've found that even when people's personalities don't mesh, they generally find a way to be civil to each other, and keep the atmosphere warm and inviting. I don't see where it's become any sort of hot bed for clique-ishness or excluding people. Quite the opposite, I've found it extremely accomodating of any number of oddities of both myself and others. As we'll get to below, I think there are potential problems, but I don't think that these sorts of things play a meaningful role in them. Or, at the very least, I don't think that you can address the issue by changing your policy in this regard, because even if we assume that these places are somehow a "staging ground" for unwanted activities, it's easy enough to just shift those efforts elsewhere (and, again, I don't even see where this has been the case).
I do think, though, that the idea of an "in crowd" cannot be dismissed out of hand. I say that both because of the ubiquitousness of the suggestion (Willy's "mod favorite charge notwithstanding) and because, as we've all just discussed, who if anyone, would be in such a hypothetical group, there seems to be fairly strong consensus on at least some of its members. The relevant questions then become: what is the role of these individuals, are they acting collectively or individually, and how do we curb any negative influences of perceptions they may generate? One important answer, I think, is maintaining public signaling to the boards about where red lines are. I certainly appreciate that using private communication and personal influence is better in terms of practically securing compliance, but I would hope that for the sake of perception, you could get those individuals to understand that an effectively meaningless public "warning" may follow, just for the sake of letting people know what is and isn't acceptable on the boards.
As for other strategies, I guess that depends more on figuring out what defines people as "in" and what consequences that has. I haven't made up my mind about any of that yet, though. So yeah, more from me later, I suppose.
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lexu
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Date Posted:
2/26 6:41pm
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What I'm seeing in this thread and others is that the mods could be more visible in their actions. Relative to this discussion, it means people would see that everyone is subject to the same rules. With regards to some of the other discussions going on, it would ensure people witness exactly where "the line" is and the consequences for crossing it. As Souderwan has said, when everything is simply edited out, no one really learns anything from it. If it never seems to happen to certain well-known users, some people might draw false conclusions.
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Darth_Guy
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2/26 6:54pm
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Well, if there's an "in crowd" I certainly am not a part of it, and I function rather well on the JCC.
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Terr_Mys
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Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to have games / activities that encourage users to get to know each other... maybe something like a "Newlyweds Game" that pairs two users who don't know each other very well and forces them to find out about each other?
Or does that just sound wicked corny?
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Boba_Fett_2001
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2/26 7:44pm
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Maybe that should be the focus of the next Big Brother (if there is another one).
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Terr_Mys
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2/26 7:47pm
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Yeah, I think having another BB would be great, although it would nice to have an on-going game that everyone in the JCC could participate in.
Jazib would lose and be banned right away of course 
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Right.
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harpuah
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2/26 9:37pm
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Terr_Mys posted:
Yeah, I think having another BB would be great, although it would nice to have an on-going game that everyone in the JCC could participate in.
Well the whole point of BB is the "players" are locked away and unable to post anywhere else.. I don't see how a jcc wide game would work.
Edit: the Newlywed game sounds potentially hilarious... I suggest pairing solojones with Eeth for the first round. 
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Terr_Mys
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2/26 9:40pm
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harpuah posted:
Terr_Mys posted:
Yeah, I think having another BB would be great, although it would nice to have an on-going game that everyone in the JCC could participate in.
Well the whole point of BB is the "players" are locked away and unable to post anywhere else.. I don't see how a jcc wide game would work.
Edit: the Newlywed game sounds potentially hilarious... I suggest pairing solojones with Eeth for the first round.
Yeah, I was referring to the Newlyweds game idea for the JCC, not BB. The potential pairings could lead to serious hilarity.
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harpuah
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2/26 9:42pm
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Oh I know.. those were two separate statements.
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MASTERPRENN
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Date Posted:
2/26 10:00pm
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I see what you did there!
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