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Grand_Admiral_Grant
Title: Ex-Mod
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Date Posted:
3/1 10:39am
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"Serious", Senate-like threads
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How do you experience those?
Do you think these need more moderation? (This has been mentioned in another thread)
Do you think we need to make them less serious, a mandatory lolcat image every 3 posts? 
Or do you think we need to encourage more serious discussion in the JCC?
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harpuah
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Date Posted:
3/1 10:50am
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I think a balance is healthy. It's possible to have a serious discussion without being sterile. I've noticed that a joke post in a "seriose" jcc thread is viewed as spam a lot of the time. This is jcc though, I personally don't want it to become a sterile tight lipped environment.
We have the senate for traditional serious discussion.
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Darrkwolff
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I used to participate in the Senate discussions from time to time, but it was getting to where it was rather difficult to even so much as have intellectual discourse on some subjects without being 'attacked' as does happen whenever religion is brought up.
But that's just me.
And maybe I was picking the wrong subjects. Who knows?
As for more moderation, well...are there not enough moderators there to begin with? Have the current mods expressed any concerns about being overwhelmed in watching over the Senate?
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Grand_Admiral_Grant
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Sorry if I didnt make myself clear, I was solely referring to serious discussions in the JCC.
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ApolloSmileGirl
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3/1 11:03am
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I think the point was that the JCC is not the ideal forum for extremely serious political or religious discussion. It's known to be lighthearted, and most of the tightknit community doesn't take it as a forum for serious discussion.
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moosemousse
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3/1 11:07am
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I quite like having serious threads in the JCC, not everything is fun and games and it's nice to have serious discussions. Serious threads would include the computer help thread, the mac discussion thread, and so on. Some things just shouldn't be turned into joke threads at all. If the serious threads are kept serious then that's fine. There are enough non-serious threads that we don't need to make everything non-serious or jokey.
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TwiLekJedi
Title: Classic Trilogy & YJCC Manager
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Date Posted:
3/1 11:18am
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RE: "Serious", Senate-like threads
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would it help if I said I hate those threads? No? Okay, just thought I'd mention it
But seriously, there is certainly nothing wrong with a little serious discussion. It gets annoying, Senatey and more trouble than it's worth once certain people take the discussion too seriously. I think there's a difference. It's perfectly expressed by that silly "Somebody is WRONG on the internet!" picture. Some people take that to, imo, ridiculous levels.
Of course, I see that as more of a problem about political, religious or (some) social issues. I'm a little more forgiving when it's SW vs BSG, House vs ER vs Scrubs, the speed of Lost's story or anything like that. We're geeks, nerds and dorks. It's pretty much what this place is for. The other stuff... I just don't get it. Why is the off-topic forum of a SW message board the place to post the solution to all the world's problems and get all pissy if someone thinks you're an idiot?
Serious Business is serious business -> Senate. The Internet is serious business -> Comms. The internet is VERY serious business -> FanFic.
It's like the Senate solved its "higher form of flaming" problem, so now we have to provide it.
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ApolloSmileGirl
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3/1 11:19am
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Perhaps, but if that is the general environment of the forum, it shouldn't be surprising that serious threads aren't always taken serious by very user.
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Souderwan
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Date Posted:
3/1 11:21am
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How do you experience those?
Obviously, I rather enjoy them. There are very few discussion threads that really appeal to me long-term, than the "serious" threads. That said, I like the fact that the seriousness can be broken up by a joke or tow and that's what makes the JCC fun to me.
Do you think these need more moderation? (This has been mentioned in another thread)
Well...yes, but only marginally. I think the discussions would do well just with more presence. You being in my discussion about Health Care was nice, for example (though I noticed the thread died pretty quickly after that--threadkiller!! ) Presence doesn't necessarily mean active moderation. I wouldn't encourage editing "grey area" stuff, per se, but when it's clear that users are going after each other, vice discussing topics, then it's time to just step in with your friendly reminder. I do that from time to time, but who's going to listen to me? 
Do you think we need to make them less serious, a mandatory lolcat image every 3 posts?
LOL! I think the balance is fine the way it is. People feel free to come in and mock the rest of us for being too serious--especially when Jello posts. He always gets a good crack about Romans or something.
Or do you think we need to encourage more serious discussion in the JCC? More? Not really. As I said, I think the balance is good--both thread-wise and forum-wide.
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harpuah
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3/1 11:26am
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Brian, enough with the tl;dr.. let's converse here.
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solojones
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3/1 11:39am
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I think there needs to be a balance. I actually think the number of such threads right now is fine. It's in a context where people are just chatting like they would normally, being themselves, talking about random stuff... but some of that stuff is serious. It would be unnatural to try to make people in the community be nothing but "tEh FunY!11" all the time. Allowing some serious discussion is allowing some people to just be themselves. You can't force everyone to be like a certain model of JCCer.
Now of course those threads can't all be super-long, senate-type posts. Personally I don't like Senate. I think it's kind of pointless arguing. I think the discussion on JCC usually arise more from people who more or less know each other and are just naturally giving their opinions. Of course it's some people's personalities to still make jokes, and that's cool. And, for instance, if someone feels their religion is being insulted, it's kind of natural for them to say something to the contrary. You can't really say that's only "serious" discussion and should go to a different board. It's just part of people's normal lives. As discussed, it needs to be kept under a little tighter control to keep things from spinning out of control if people react too inappropriately.
I think a model "serious" discussion thread is the current Democratic-Republican Primaries thread. Now this is a topic that naturally comes up among friends and associates, so I think it obviously needs to have a place in JCC. But the discussion there has been surprisingly void of flaming, and actually has a pretty fair amount of joking. I've actually been pretty proud that even though there are people with different opinions there it hasn't gotten hostile.
In short, I think these threads should be allowed, as they're more natural conversation instead of Senate-like carefully constructed debates. Jokes in those threads should absolutely be allowed. Helps diffuse tension Not everyone should be forced to discuss the topics seriously. And not everyone should be forced to avoid serious discussion. To each their own. At least one mod should keep an eye on such threads, though I know they're not everyone's cup of tea.
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AaylaSecurOWNED
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Date Posted:
3/1 11:41am
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I find that the "serious" threads, or not-so-serious threads that take a serious turn, are nice and definitely have a place in JCC. At the same time, I don't think intermittent posts that bring the level of discourse in those threads down a notch are harmful. I think it's important to remember that these threads are in JCC, so the rules of engagement, so to speak, for the Senate don't apply.
A few weeks ago ChattyCathy (I believe it was Cathy) proposed a modern form of eugenics in a JCC thread, saying that we shouldn't allow people with genetic disorders to reproduce. Most of the JCC was horrified and demanded that she explain herself, to which she responded something like "This isn't the Senate, I don't have to support my opinions." As frustrating as that was, in retrospect I think it's fair game. The Senate is made for debate, and the JCC is made for socializing; if you want to participate in the former, you have to actually debate, but in the latter you can say whatever you want and you don't have any obligation to make an argument out of it.
Like Brian said, these tend to self-moderate, people eventually cool off and it devolves on its own.
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Souderwan
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harpuah posted:
Brian, enough with the tl;dr.. let's converse here.
Of all the tl;dr posts in here, you pick on me? Don't you judge me!! 
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harpuah
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I'm going to change your name so your initials are TLDR
Tarence Lawrence Douglas - Roberts
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Souderwan
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I like it.
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Darth_Guy
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All I know is that poop and sex jokes are acceptable in the "serious" JCC threads, and that's all that matters.
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