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epic
Title: ex mod / rsa
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1/12/06 9:50am
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RE: What precisely constitutes a Senate thread, and can a thread "become" one?
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i posted that same link in my other post in the other thread as an example of advertising going too far.
and KW, there are no rule against members talking about where a particular thread belongs. or if there is i haven't seen it. in any case, DM's post demanded commentary and i'm not surprised about the reaction.
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J-Rod
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1/12/06 10:28am
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AnakinsGirl posted:
Have we all seen This thread?
I think the JCCers really address what they think about the Senate and it was very informative for me. I think maybe Michievous posted this link already, so sorry if he did.
HAHAHA! Mr44 is sponsoring a "Post The Phrase That Pays" Senate contest. Those guys are funny!
But that thread summed up the feelings of the YJCC'ers about the Senate.
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Darth Mischievous
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1/12/06 4:24pm
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You're unfortunately quite right about some of the feelings of the YJCCers on the Senate, J-Rod. It was made quite clear, and it is part of the difficulty in what we're dicussing here.
Much of the loyal YJCC membership tends to look at Forum participation in an entirely different manner than the Senate regulars.
So, when the suggestion is brought up that there are interesting discussions about the very same material in an in-depth fashion, the response involves more of the same types of attempted witty commentary that is par for the course in the YJCC.
Simply stated, there is a different 'culture' in the YJCC than the Senate.
Certain discussions belong in the Senate, and others in the YJCC. In my view, we need to facilitate the push to drive the discussions where they inherently belong.
That is not to say that we can give each forum a 'taste' of the other, as in a Senate Floor humor thread or something of the sort.
Just as the YJCC management (rightly so) closes social threads and others due to inherent rules withint he forum, Senate topics and threads should be given the same respect.
Threads involving jovial banter generaly are the norm in the YJCC, and more substantive focus on sensitive and complex issues belongs in the more focused Senate.
We should encourage members in the YJCC interested in such discussion to refocus their efforts in the proper venue.
We're not going to convince many YJCCers to take it seriously, because that's not the cultural norm in the YJCC.
However, there are members in the Forum which could make substantive and outstanding contributions if given the right direction to the proper venue.
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MariahJSkywalker
Title: Manager Emeritus
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1/12/06 4:42pm
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It's a case by case thing, dependent on circumstance and what seems to make the most sense (not by what follows someone's precise definition of a given rule).
Is that why 408 still is open? 
I'm not suprised by those posters reactions, and I have already seen posts expressing dislike for the Senate. Heck, I've seen posts like that outside of the JCC.
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Ender_Sai
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Hawk; how do you suggest we combat that perception?
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HawkNC
Title: FanForce RSA
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1/12/06 6:09pm
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A certain degree of that perception is based in truth - most of the posts in there ARE very long and/or very acidic in nature. That puts a lot of people off. Of course, a lot of it is also probably based on going in there only once or twice and hearing about it from other people. IMO, encouraging more inter-forum participation would help dispell that preconceived notion. It would also help for the Senate regulars to be welcoming of newbies, because...frankly, some of them aren't. I've seen a few of them practically flamed out of threads for not being as experienced as the regulars.
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LostOnHoth
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If we are going to entertain the prospect of cross forum interaction then clearly there will have to be some change in the manner in which YJCCers and others are introduced to the Senate.
For example, here is one of my first forays into the Senate.
Topic:
Surveillance cameras: Security or Spying?
Opening post:
Hello all. I've never posted on this board before but I saw something interesting today and it peaked my curiosity. The city I live in (Nashville, TN) has begun setting up remote surveillance cameras downtown as seen in some of the country's bigger cities. Do any of you live in a city that has these? If so,what is the general opinion where you live? How about those of you who haven't seen them yet, would you feel violated? From what I understand, they can also capture audio.
My post:
It's clearly both. The authorities are spying on us but with a view to providing us with better security (pun intended!).
However, I wouldn't put security cameras in the same category as those activities authorised by the Patriot Act.
Anonymous Moderator post:
However, I wouldn't put security cameras in the same category as those activities authorised by the Patriot Act.
Why is it that whenever a topic like this comes up, someone always mentions the Patriot Act, yet never mentions the specifics, or illustrates a basic understanding of what the act even includes?
Some critical analysis, in either direction, would be nice, instead of simply throwing the title out there like some sort of modern day Boogeyman.
My reply:
Sorry, I don't do critical analysis - I just post on the boards for a bit of a laff.
I think you can get the gist of my point - passive surveillance is not the same thing as the collection of personal information - for specifics refer to the legislation or enlighten us yourself.
Anonymous Moderator’s reply:
Sorry, I don't do critical analysis
Really? It can be quite informative.
If you are unsure of yourself, maybe you could start on something slighly less challenging, maybe an old Peanuts comic strip?
We certainly won't leave you hanging, and will let you know if you understood all the main points.
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Now while such sarcasm did not bother me ( I am a lawyer and therefore my skin is as thick as a rhino) I would suggest that this would probably make your casual poster in the Senate decide to not bother with the Senate.
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HawkNC
Title: FanForce RSA
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1/12/06 6:36pm
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LOH, you proved my point exactly. This is why Aussies should be running the forums. 
What person would want to post there when they're greeted with that sort of response? From a moderator, no less? Work needs to be done on both sides if we want to combat the perception that the Senate is something of an elitist group.
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Ender_Sai
Title: Manager Emeritus
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1/12/06 7:06pm
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Well, in that mod's defense, the Patriot Act is one of those head-against-a-wall issues where people have little idea of the truth but a big notion they ought fear it, which we've been debunking for ages. It gets to a point when people will get frustrated saying the same thing over.
But you're right, it does act as a real putoff.
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LostOnHoth
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I'm not necessarily criticising the Mod - I now understand that the subject matter is a source of personal interest and knowkledge and so frustration with comments like mine in that thread are understandable, BUT not everyone is going to put that behind them and take interest in the nature of the forum, that is, to promote critical analysis of such subject matter.
I didn't post the above to be critical simply to illustrate what we don't want in terms of welcoming new users to the forum who might not be savvy to the expectations of the members and mods alike.
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Mr44
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You can mention my name, it's not like I'll burst into flames if you do. I've always given everyone blanket permission to examine any actions I have taken. Like anyone else, they aren't always going to be perfect, but they do exist in the context that they do. Besides, you're cool, so I'd make an exception for you anyway...
You raise some excellent points, ones which have been recently self-examined. However, E_S does raise an intertesting point in that certain topics do become tedious after a while, and the same silly points become counter-productive. Try to make an underhanded comment to E_S that Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA, and see what ensues.
However, let me throw a counter point back at you. In your above example, your discussion topic was on security cameras. Why was it necessary to throw out an underhanded reference to something else? Your original topic was neutral, and geared toward discussion. Your snippet was designed to illicit a reaction, which can then go either way.
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Ender_Sai
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Mr44 posted:
You can mention my name, it's not like I'll burst into flames if you do.
You just took all the fun out of mentioning your name. 
E_S
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LostOnHoth
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OK..the Anonymous Mod was Mr44 people!!!! Mr44!!!!  
Of course I know now the subject matter and comments that are likely to piss certain people off (your OBL example is a perfect example), but that knowledge comes from time spent in the Senate field.
As a forum newbie I had absolutely no idea, so really my comment was never intended to illicit a reaction. The opening post was framed in terms of whether surveilance cameras makes a person feel 'violated' and so I thought of the Patriot Act as a perfect example of security measures implemented by the government that also make people feel 'violated'. Hence the connection.
Having now taken the Mr44 class in Patriot Act 101 - I know better.
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Mr44
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1/12/06 10:33pm
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You just took all the fun out of mentioning your name.
Ok,maybe just a little smoldering..But I have to be honest here, usually the smoldering part is used to describe my personaliy, and my sexy Senate good looks...
But then again, I'm sure you have experienced the same, well, except maybe for being Australian, but we've never held that against you....
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VoijaRisa
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1/12/06 10:43pm
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Having read over everything here, I'll say I agree with most of it. However, the one thing I'll disagree with on is LOH's fear of the sarcastic mod.
Personally, I like seeing some sarcasm out of the mods in the senate. It makes them seem much more friendly instead of the "We are the Mods. Your thread will be locked. Resistance is futile." Having mods come in and be extremely dry only goes to further the misconceptions of the Senate IMO.
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